Comments on: Koreans Vetoed Rescue Operations: The Times http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/ Korea... in Blog Format Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:43:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Max Watson http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101771 Max Watson Wed, 15 Aug 2007 04:40:43 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101771 They didn't agree to arresting the families of the Taliban kidnappers? Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. They should have kidnapped the families and then followed the Soviet Solution (http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins200404120839.asp - thanks to Smokehard for the link) Yeah, it's medieval. But there sure as hell wouldn't be another Korean kidnapped again. They didn’t agree to arresting the families of the Taliban kidnappers? Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

They should have kidnapped the families and then followed the Soviet Solution (http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins200404120839.asp - thanks to Smokehard for the link)

Yeah, it’s medieval. But there sure as hell wouldn’t be another Korean kidnapped again.

]]> By: gbnhj http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101674 gbnhj Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:57:36 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101674 When Cheong Wa Dae says that <a href="http://english.president.go.kr/cwd/en/archive/archive_view.php?meta_id=en_press_release&m_def=3&ss_def=3&id=3156387dcf8f5e87ddf21e14" rel="nofollow">it lacks the ability to solve the problem</a>, because it lacks the ability to meet the terrorists' demands, I think it's fair to say that it's moving off the sidelines and into the stands. Of course, there may be some group working on the elements of an as-yet undisclosed plan involving the ROK military. I don't know - it hasn't been disclosed. You can choose to believe in the possibility of a ROK response involving force (although it has stated several times that it deplores such a move, by any party), but as you know that's only a guess at this point. No offence intended, lirelou, but I stand by what I wrote. Any humble pie will be eaten as changing situations dictate. :) When Cheong Wa Dae says that it lacks the ability to solve the problem, because it lacks the ability to meet the terrorists’ demands, I think it’s fair to say that it’s moving off the sidelines and into the stands.

Of course, there may be some group working on the elements of an as-yet undisclosed plan involving the ROK military. I don’t know - it hasn’t been disclosed. You can choose to believe in the possibility of a ROK response involving force (although it has stated several times that it deplores such a move, by any party), but as you know that’s only a guess at this point. No offence intended, lirelou, but I stand by what I wrote. Any humble pie will be eaten as changing situations dictate. :)

]]> By: lirelou http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101578 lirelou Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:28:30 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101578 @mjw: in re: "But a raid by the delta boys could end in deaths of not just the hostages but also the delta boys." Well, it's part of what they get paid to do. For all, I'm suspicious of any reporting that suggests the Koreans are choosing to do nothing, or merely issuing plays from the stands. This situation differs from most model hostage situations in that the Talib have already proven that they are both willing to kill, and release, hostages. You can bet that someone, somewhere within the Korean armed forces, is sweating bullets over this, and I don't envy them. W'll just have to wait and see what the outcome is, but I wouldn't write off force, and I wouldn't count the Koreans as mere spectators yet. @mjw: in re: “But a raid by the delta boys could end in deaths of not just the hostages but also the delta boys.”
Well, it’s part of what they get paid to do.

For all, I’m suspicious of any reporting that suggests the Koreans are choosing to do nothing, or merely issuing plays from the stands. This situation differs from most model hostage situations in that the Talib have already proven that they are both willing to kill, and release, hostages. You can bet that someone, somewhere within the Korean armed forces, is sweating bullets over this, and I don’t envy them. W’ll just have to wait and see what the outcome is, but I wouldn’t write off force, and I wouldn’t count the Koreans as mere spectators yet.

]]> By: gbnhj http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101555 gbnhj Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:35:25 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101555 <blockquote>A senior intelligence source said: “We know who the Taleban commanders are and we wanted to arrest their families but the Koreans wouldn’t let us.”</blockquote> <i>Really</i>? Once this over and the Korean government is no longer issuing plays from the stands, they should get started on that. I'm surprised that they haven't already.

A senior intelligence source said: “We know who the Taleban commanders are and we wanted to arrest their families but the Koreans wouldn’t let us.”

Really? Once this over and the Korean government is no longer issuing plays from the stands, they should get started on that. I’m surprised that they haven’t already.

]]> By: OneFreeKorea » Valor, and The Better Part of It: How Misguided Christian Missionaries and Their Liberal Government Joined Forces to Boost a Medieval Islamic Death Cult http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101491 OneFreeKorea » Valor, and The Better Part of It: How Misguided Christian Missionaries and Their Liberal Government Joined Forces to Boost a Medieval Islamic Death Cult Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:42:21 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101491 [...] Their government’s decisions to negotiate and pay ransom (possibly to the wrong people), to veto two rescue attempts, or to set America up as the villlain probably didn’t figure into their plans.  It’s [...] [...] Their government’s decisions to negotiate and pay ransom (possibly to the wrong people), to veto two rescue attempts, or to set America up as the villlain probably didn’t figure into their plans.  It’s [...]

]]> By: Janus http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101477 Janus Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:39:08 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101477 Has anyone else started daydreaming about what would be happening if Park Chung Hee (or even Lee Myung-bak) was in the Blue House? Poor bastard must be rolling in his grave... Has anyone else started daydreaming about what would be happening if Park Chung Hee (or even Lee Myung-bak) was in the Blue House?

Poor bastard must be rolling in his grave…

]]> By: Wedge http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101430 Wedge Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:32:15 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101430 I don't think Uncle Sucker would've risked American lives on this. Unless every one of the hostages came out unscathed, we'd be hearing about it for the next 500 years, if not longer. I'm skeptical on this one, unless they mean "American logistical and intel support from a safe distance, while Afghan soldiers conducted the actual ops." Now the second idea of taking the Taliban family members as counter hostages is a brilliant idea. When some Russians were kidnaped in Lebanon in the 80s, guess what happened? Relatives of the perpetrators started to have difficulties in maintaining life-sustaining bodily functions, like breathing. Result: Russians freed post haste and no more Russians taken hostage. I don’t think Uncle Sucker would’ve risked American lives on this. Unless every one of the hostages came out unscathed, we’d be hearing about it for the next 500 years, if not longer. I’m skeptical on this one, unless they mean “American logistical and intel support from a safe distance, while Afghan soldiers conducted the actual ops.”

Now the second idea of taking the Taliban family members as counter hostages is a brilliant idea. When some Russians were kidnaped in Lebanon in the 80s, guess what happened? Relatives of the perpetrators started to have difficulties in maintaining life-sustaining bodily functions, like breathing. Result: Russians freed post haste and no more Russians taken hostage.

]]> By: mjw http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101394 mjw Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:13:15 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101394 the koreans are some of the best negotiators around, at least in business. they rarely do not get what they want. obviously this situation is not a business deal but if anyone can pull it off, it's the koreans. (tall order, to be sure.) that said, like Metro, i do not want to see money changing hands. unlike Metro, i do not necessarily want to see the Deltas go in there (curb the testosterone for a bit, boys). This is just the beginning of the standoff. give them a chance to jawbone it out. who knows what they'll come up with? the worst case scenario is more of the hostages get killed before the negotiators realize they can't win and just pay up. But a raid by the delta boys could end in deaths of not just the hostages but also the delta boys. the koreans are some of the best negotiators around, at least in business. they rarely do not get what they want. obviously this situation is not a business deal but if anyone can pull it off, it’s the koreans. (tall order, to be sure.)

that said, like Metro, i do not want to see money changing hands. unlike Metro, i do not necessarily want to see the Deltas go in there (curb the testosterone for a bit, boys). This is just the beginning of the standoff. give them a chance to jawbone it out. who knows what they’ll come up with? the worst case scenario is more of the hostages get killed before the negotiators realize they can’t win and just pay up. But a raid by the delta boys could end in deaths of not just the hostages but also the delta boys.

]]> By: kwon http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101392 kwon Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:08:59 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101392 It is interesting how a sovereign nation does not take action against anti government forces because the Koreans would not let them. It is interesting how a sovereign nation does not take action against anti government forces because the Koreans would not let them.

]]> By: kwon http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101391 kwon Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:06:00 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/koreans-vetoed-rescue-operations-the-times/#comment-101391 I would hardly call Chung Dong Young and the like progressives. The better red than dead party might be a better name. I would hardly call Chung Dong Young and the like progressives. The better red than dead party might be a better name.

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