Comments on: Quran+Toilet=Hate Crime? http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/ Korea... in Blog Format Mon, 7 Jul 2008 01:38:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: hoju_saram http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-101171 hoju_saram Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:05:35 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-101171 wjk, one thing you seem to fail to understand: the bible was written by men. Morality came first, the bible second, not the other way round. Do you realy think the bible is the word of God? And if you do, do you really believe that before the word of god, men didn't know what morality was? Does that include Korea? Were Koreans base, unethical, unloving, corrupt, bereft of morals, before Christianity arrived? Think about it. wjk, one thing you seem to fail to understand: the bible was written by men.

Morality came first, the bible second, not the other way round.

Do you realy think the bible is the word of God? And if you do, do you really believe that before the word of god, men didn’t know what morality was? Does that include Korea? Were Koreans base, unethical, unloving, corrupt, bereft of morals, before Christianity arrived?

Think about it.

]]> By: Zonath http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100880 Zonath Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:41:28 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100880 <blockquote>I’m simply responding in kind to the circle jerk of anti-religious bigotry that’s been raging here ever since those poor schleps went and got themselves kidnapped.</blockquote> Cool. Nice to know the hate-spiral of bigotry will be continuing for the foreseeable future. It makes for entertaining reading, at least.

I’m simply responding in kind to the circle jerk of anti-religious bigotry that’s been raging here ever since those poor schleps went and got themselves kidnapped.

Cool. Nice to know the hate-spiral of bigotry will be continuing for the foreseeable future. It makes for entertaining reading, at least.

]]> By: Ut videam http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100851 Ut videam Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:48:31 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100851 #54 - <blockquote>For one who seems to be preaching for tolerance and ‘enlightenment’, you sure seem to enjoy mocking and demonizing your opponents. Do you really think that’s going to play well with those you’re trying to persuade?</blockquote>Plenty of mocking and demonizing of religion and religious people has gone on here lately. I'm simply responding in kind to the circle jerk of anti-religious bigotry that's been raging here ever since those poor schleps went and got themselves kidnapped. Those comments were not calculated to persuade anyone with their derisive tone, they were merely meant to express contempt for the beliefs of others. Likewise, I'm not trying to persuade anyone; I'm simply registering my opinion that the spate of hackneyed, ignorant, offensive anti-Christian commentary posted here recently is contemptible. #54 -

For one who seems to be preaching for tolerance and ‘enlightenment’, you sure seem to enjoy mocking and demonizing your opponents. Do you really think that’s going to play well with those you’re trying to persuade?

Plenty of mocking and demonizing of religion and religious people has gone on here lately. I’m simply responding in kind to the circle jerk of anti-religious bigotry that’s been raging here ever since those poor schleps went and got themselves kidnapped. Those comments were not calculated to persuade anyone with their derisive tone, they were merely meant to express contempt for the beliefs of others. Likewise, I’m not trying to persuade anyone; I’m simply registering my opinion that the spate of hackneyed, ignorant, offensive anti-Christian commentary posted here recently is contemptible.

]]> By: Herod http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100837 Herod Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:21:06 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100837 Michael - And I thought Moses was a sicko. Michael -
And I thought Moses was a sicko.

]]> By: michael http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100812 michael Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:05:56 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100812 Actually, Mohammed married the girl when she was 6 and consummated his marriage when she was 9: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.064 Actually, Mohammed married the girl when she was 6 and consummated his marriage when she was 9:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fu.....07.062.064

]]> By: pawikirogi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100809 pawikirogi Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:55:50 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100809 quite a few people on the other thread condenmed korean missionaries for teaching christian songs to little afghan children. they also criticized the koreans for trying to spread the gospel in a muslim country. they said the koreans were being disrespectful to muslims. alright, i agree. but if you're going to take the koreans to task for being disrespectuful to muslims, then, how are you going to defend a cartoon depicting a religious icon as a terrorist? how are you going to point at the koreans while you defend a guy who took a shit on the koran? look, i don't care where these things happened; disprect is disrespect. as for your comment that folks here are only interested in the legal aspects, well, i respectfully disagree. 'Mohamad was a pedophile who married a 7 year old girl. He was also a mass murderer and an advocate of genocide. The idea that his ideas should be protected by force of law and fear of incarceration is disgusting.' tambe tsk, tsk, tsk...... quite a few people on the other thread condenmed korean missionaries for teaching christian songs to little afghan children. they also criticized the koreans for trying to spread the gospel in a muslim country. they said the koreans were being disrespectful to muslims. alright, i agree.

but if you’re going to take the koreans to task for being disrespectuful to muslims, then, how are you going to defend a cartoon depicting a religious icon as a terrorist? how are you going to point at the koreans while you defend a guy who took a shit on the koran? look, i don’t care where these things happened; disprect is disrespect.

as for your comment that folks here are only interested in the legal aspects, well, i respectfully disagree.

‘Mohamad was a pedophile who married a 7 year old girl. He was also a mass murderer and an advocate of genocide. The idea that his ideas should be protected by force of law and fear of incarceration is disgusting.’ tambe

tsk, tsk, tsk……

]]> By: Zonath http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100751 Zonath Thu, 09 Aug 2007 03:26:57 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100751 I don't think it's really that debatable that Christianity influenced European civilization. Now, whether or not that influence was a change for the better... that's a topic in and of itself. But since we're already woefully off-topic on this particular thread, it might be better to save that argument for later. I don’t think it’s really that debatable that Christianity influenced European civilization. Now, whether or not that influence was a change for the better… that’s a topic in and of itself. But since we’re already woefully off-topic on this particular thread, it might be better to save that argument for later.

]]> By: wjk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100744 wjk Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:48:19 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100744 regarding 65, I'm quite sure that unified China allowed Buddhist monks from India to spread the religion to promote morality and social stability, although no mention of monogamy was in the message or even intended. regarding 65, I’m quite sure that unified China allowed Buddhist monks from India to spread the religion to promote morality and social stability, although no mention of monogamy was in the message or even intended.

]]> By: wjk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100743 wjk Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:46:49 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100743 hoju, read your link, but I think there could be some truths, but I can't say for sure, since he's written in huppi.com, for one, and 2nd, the only concrete example he gives is Plato. Regardless of where it orginated from, Plato's impact on the world regarding his stance on morals, wouldn't you say it was drop in the bucket? Versus that of St. Paul? Now, Medieval Europe did not quote Plato as much as Paul or name cities after Plato, did they, hoju? On origin, you may have something to argue about, but regarding impact and delivery...No contest, and it primarily serves to make the atheist happy. hoju, read your link, but I think there could be some truths, but I can’t say for sure, since he’s written in huppi.com, for one, and 2nd, the only concrete example he gives is Plato.

Regardless of where it orginated from, Plato’s impact on the world regarding his stance on morals, wouldn’t you say it was drop in the bucket?

Versus that of St. Paul?

Now, Medieval Europe did not quote Plato as much as Paul or name cities after Plato, did they, hoju?

On origin, you may have something to argue about, but regarding impact and delivery…No contest, and it primarily serves to make the atheist happy.

]]> By: Sonagi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100741 Sonagi Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:30:46 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/qurantoilethate-crime/#comment-100741 <i>"Lifelong monogamous relationships are very good (biologically speaking) for poor men in a society full of poor men. Polygamous and high-divorce rates are better for women (again, biologically) in a resource-stratified society. "</i> I read that book a long time ago. As I recall, Wright claimed that monogamy benefited poor men and rich women, who didn't have to share their husband and his resources with another family. Wright also argued that monogamy was better for social stability. A bunch of sexually frustrated young men are a source of trouble and have been expendible fodder in wars. “Lifelong monogamous relationships are very good (biologically speaking) for poor men in a society full of poor men. Polygamous and high-divorce rates are better for women (again, biologically) in a resource-stratified society. “

I read that book a long time ago. As I recall, Wright claimed that monogamy benefited poor men and rich women, who didn’t have to share their husband and his resources with another family. Wright also argued that monogamy was better for social stability. A bunch of sexually frustrated young men are a source of trouble and have been expendible fodder in wars.

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