Comments on: A First and the Real Deal http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/ Korea... in Blog Format Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:05:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: R. Elgin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100873 R. Elgin Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:59:24 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100873 <blockquote>. . . how many kicks in the head do we need(?)</blockquote>Apparently many more and the Americans deserve it for being played like chumps so easily and I do not mean "9/11" but the whole trail of breadcrumbs that was left from the election in 2000 up to this very day.

. . . how many kicks in the head do we need(?)

Apparently many more and the Americans deserve it for being played like chumps so easily and I do not mean “9/11″ but the whole trail of breadcrumbs that was left from the election in 2000 up to this very day.

]]> By: dlatn http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100872 dlatn Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:45:17 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100872 Oh, the old scapegoating routine. Democrats versus republican, known and unknown, election or not. whatever. As constituents of a democratic nation we are responsible for the government we elect, and the actions it conducts. Blaming Bush, when a clear majority of nation was baying for blood post 9-11, is the stuff of Germans saying Hitler did it all. If we go around killing innocent people and fucking up other countries, we should bear the burden, act with dignity, and correct the situation. Learn from things like Vietnam. Given that the US had 9-11 coming well before we went and jeopardized the lives of millions in the middle east and the economies of innocent peoples around the world, nothing short of a few nukes bandied around the states, or an unraveling of the economy, wouldn't look unfair. Jesus, how many kicks in the head do we need. Albeit an off-post comment, but this cynical opposition on this blog to Korean detente is pathetic, and dripping in insecurity. Rightfully so. Oh, the old scapegoating routine.
Democrats versus republican, known and unknown, election or not.
whatever.
As constituents of a democratic nation we are responsible for the government we elect, and the actions it conducts.
Blaming Bush, when a clear majority of nation was baying for blood post 9-11, is the stuff of Germans saying Hitler did it all. If we go around killing innocent people and fucking up other countries, we should bear the burden, act with dignity, and correct the situation.

Learn from things like Vietnam.

Given that the US had 9-11 coming well before we went and jeopardized the lives of millions in the middle east and the economies of innocent peoples around the world, nothing short of a few nukes bandied around the states, or an unraveling of the economy, wouldn’t look unfair.

Jesus, how many kicks in the head do we need.

Albeit an off-post comment, but this cynical opposition on this blog to Korean detente is pathetic, and dripping in insecurity.

Rightfully so.

]]> By: babotaengi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100850 babotaengi Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:33:14 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100850 Anyone who says international intelligence agencies believed Iraq had WMDs is an ignorant fool. UN weapons inspectors knew they had nothing. The g'damn CIA knew they had none. Dozens of US intelligence officers have come out of the woodwork and condemned the Bush administration for making new (and convenient) inferences from old (and outdated) information. Unbelievable that even now, in 2007, people still have their head in the sand sniffin' round for truffles. Anyone who says international intelligence agencies believed Iraq had WMDs is an ignorant fool. UN weapons inspectors knew they had nothing. The g’damn CIA knew they had none. Dozens of US intelligence officers have come out of the woodwork and condemned the Bush administration for making new (and convenient) inferences from old (and outdated) information.

Unbelievable that even now, in 2007, people still have their head in the sand sniffin’ round for truffles.

]]> By: R. Elgin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100820 R. Elgin Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:56:26 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100820 huh?? What does that remark have to do with the movie, the people in it and their comments!? huh??

What does that remark have to do with the movie, the people in it and their comments!?

]]> By: sumo294 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100780 sumo294 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:33:22 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100780 Why in the world should anyone listen to a liberal who sits in a tree sipping a latte and sternly lecturing woodland squirrels about their collapsing eco-environment? Why in the world should anyone listen to a liberal who sits in a tree sipping a latte and sternly lecturing woodland squirrels about their collapsing eco-environment?

]]> By: random http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100762 random Thu, 09 Aug 2007 04:28:22 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100762 Can we distinguish between liberal and Democrat? As in liberal citizens and Democratic politicians. I think liberal citizens were right at the beginning but for the wrong reasons. I think Democratic politicians were, not necessarily wrong, just weak. fwiw, I was against this war strictly for strategic reasons. We had a war in Afghanistan. You don't divide your forces and go off on another adventure before you've finished the job in your current adventure. It's bad military strategy. It may have worked in WWII when armies lined up against each other, but not in the Middle East. How stupid were our leaders that they didn't think of this? I'm a liberal citizen who feels that this is our mess (not the Iraqis) and we need to finish it before getting out. But not the way things are going now. That's what I mean by admitting mistakes. First you admit that what's happening isn't working, then you adapt, get other opinions, get your allies involved, and change course. This administration will not do that because they're worried about their political legacy; they have mistaken romantic notions of American "victory." Everything's political here. Can we distinguish between liberal and Democrat? As in liberal citizens and Democratic politicians.

I think liberal citizens were right at the beginning but for the wrong reasons. I think Democratic politicians were, not necessarily wrong, just weak.

fwiw, I was against this war strictly for strategic reasons. We had a war in Afghanistan. You don’t divide your forces and go off on another adventure before you’ve finished the job in your current adventure. It’s bad military strategy. It may have worked in WWII when armies lined up against each other, but not in the Middle East. How stupid were our leaders that they didn’t think of this?

I’m a liberal citizen who feels that this is our mess (not the Iraqis) and we need to finish it before getting out. But not the way things are going now. That’s what I mean by admitting mistakes. First you admit that what’s happening isn’t working, then you adapt, get other opinions, get your allies involved, and change course. This administration will not do that because they’re worried about their political legacy; they have mistaken romantic notions of American “victory.”

Everything’s political here.

]]> By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100705 SomeguyinKorea Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:48:22 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100705 #15, France and Russia were not a war. #15,

France and Russia were not a war.

]]> By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100704 SomeguyinKorea Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:47:03 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100704 #2, No, the French. Instead of listening, you came up with 'Freedom Fries'. #2,

No, the French. Instead of listening, you came up with ‘Freedom Fries’.

]]> By: wjk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100683 wjk Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:46:11 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100683 and if anyone really had a oil contract to protect, it was the UN oil for food program, France, and Russia. I recall the UN secretary general, France, and Russia were very much against invading Russia. And France had diplomatic correponsdence with Iraq during the battle. Go explain that one. and if anyone really had a oil contract to protect, it was the UN oil for food program, France, and Russia.

I recall the UN secretary general, France, and Russia were very much against invading Russia.

And France had diplomatic correponsdence with Iraq during the battle.

Go explain that one.

]]> By: wjk http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100681 wjk Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:42:41 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/08/a-first-and-the-real-deal/#comment-100681 repubs and dems and even the russians, germans, italians, french, and british had the exact same info. Dems are just taking advantage of the situation and playing into their typical liberal voting base. You can disbelieve it or not, but when Bush had 80% approval ratings, even the liberals agreed that pre-emptive strike against terrorists were warranted. But when things get rough, you know the drill. All we are saying, is give peace a chance. 1,2,3,4, we don't want this fucking war. Bush lies, who dies? Send the twins to Iraq. Seems like a group of severely short sighted, narcisstic group to me. that's all. there was no dr. evil behind the whole scheme just to raise oil stocks. i'd like to meet him if that's the case. I mere oil company businessman can manage to fool all the major spying agencies in the western world? repubs and dems and even the russians, germans, italians, french, and british had the exact same info.

Dems are just taking advantage of the situation and playing into their typical liberal voting base. You can disbelieve it or not, but when Bush had 80% approval ratings, even the liberals agreed that pre-emptive strike against terrorists were warranted.

But when things get rough, you know the drill.

All we are saying, is give peace a chance.

1,2,3,4, we don’t want this fucking war.

Bush lies, who dies?

Send the twins to Iraq.

Seems like a group of severely short sighted, narcisstic group to me.

that’s all.

there was no dr. evil behind the whole scheme just to raise oil stocks.

i’d like to meet him if that’s the case.
I mere oil company businessman can manage to fool all the major spying agencies in the western world?

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