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	<title>Comments on: 23 Million Korean Hostages Living in the North</title>
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		<title>By: Janus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still don't know how to do the 'quote' thingies...

so i quote pawikirogi, "the strategy seoul is pursuing is about the same strategy i would pursue: create a financial dependancy, and at the same time, start laying down the infrastructure for reunification."

While the strategy is probably conceptually sound, you cannot say that Seoul is doing that strategy. Have they created a financial dependency? Probably. But have they sought to use it as leverage? Noooo. NK has managed to make it look like SK's giving NK aid is a privilege--a combination of NK shrewdness and staggering incompetence by the last two presidents of SK. This is only reinforced by NK's endless rattling of its saber, which is now a nuclear saber thanks in no small part to the fecklessness of KDJ and Roh..

Moreover, even if Seoul DID try to capitalize on this, NK could just turn to the PRC, or maybe even Russia/Venezuela/Iran.

SK probably has less control over the fate of North Korea than at any time in its history. Yay "independence" policy!

Also, South Korea is doing nothing to "start laying down the infrastructre for reuinification." And no, the "symbolic" rail link that a) don't actually run b) serves to line the North's pockets as they score c) a valuable NK propaganda victory.

South Korea should be stockpiling massive amounts of relief aid--blankets, water bottles, non-perishable food if it wants to be readying itself for unification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still don&#8217;t know how to do the &#8216;quote&#8217; thingies&#8230;</p>
<p>so i quote pawikirogi, &#8220;the strategy seoul is pursuing is about the same strategy i would pursue: create a financial dependancy, and at the same time, start laying down the infrastructure for reunification.&#8221;</p>
<p>While the strategy is probably conceptually sound, you cannot say that Seoul is doing that strategy. Have they created a financial dependency? Probably. But have they sought to use it as leverage? Noooo. NK has managed to make it look like SK&#8217;s giving NK aid is a privilege&#8211;a combination of NK shrewdness and staggering incompetence by the last two presidents of SK. This is only reinforced by NK&#8217;s endless rattling of its saber, which is now a nuclear saber thanks in no small part to the fecklessness of KDJ and Roh..</p>
<p>Moreover, even if Seoul DID try to capitalize on this, NK could just turn to the PRC, or maybe even Russia/Venezuela/Iran.</p>
<p>SK probably has less control over the fate of North Korea than at any time in its history. Yay &#8220;independence&#8221; policy!</p>
<p>Also, South Korea is doing nothing to &#8220;start laying down the infrastructre for reuinification.&#8221; And no, the &#8220;symbolic&#8221; rail link that a) don&#8217;t actually run b) serves to line the North&#8217;s pockets as they score c) a valuable NK propaganda victory.</p>
<p>South Korea should be stockpiling massive amounts of relief aid&#8211;blankets, water bottles, non-perishable food if it wants to be readying itself for unification.</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pawi: It's all good.  Thank you for your thoughtful reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawi: It&#8217;s all good.  Thank you for your thoughtful reply.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian groups are in China helping N.K. refugees, doing the work that the S.K. gov't won't do for its own citizens under the constitution. While they do have religious motives I support them because they also are doing a real service in helping N. Koreans escape, at great risk to themselves. It's much different than the ones in Afghanistan because they go in knowing the risks and are not Christian tourists mindlessly trying to convert people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian groups are in China helping N.K. refugees, doing the work that the S.K. gov&#8217;t won&#8217;t do for its own citizens under the constitution. While they do have religious motives I support them because they also are doing a real service in helping N. Koreans escape, at great risk to themselves. It&#8217;s much different than the ones in Afghanistan because they go in knowing the risks and are not Christian tourists mindlessly trying to convert people.</p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
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		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sewing, if my post came across to you as strong, i apologize. it's not my intention to piss people like you off. i just get so tired of hearing that koreans don't care about koreans. i'm korean. i support the sunshine policy. i understand seoul's silence on human rights in nk. does that mean i don't care about my breathen to the north? i care very much about them. it pains me to think that 23 million koreans are living under tyranny. i want it to end. but that can't end without dialogue. the strategy seoul is pursuing is about the same strategy i would pursue: create a financial dependancy, and at the same time, start laying down the infrastructure for reunification. the south koreans can't do these things if the north koreans aren't talking to them.  

sewing, our goals are the same. it's just our methods are different. that my way is different from yours does not mean i don't care about the plight of korean people in the northern part of korea. 

and yes, from your writings, i know you're no korea basher. i apologize if i have offended you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sewing, if my post came across to you as strong, i apologize. it&#8217;s not my intention to piss people like you off. i just get so tired of hearing that koreans don&#8217;t care about koreans. i&#8217;m korean. i support the sunshine policy. i understand seoul&#8217;s silence on human rights in nk. does that mean i don&#8217;t care about my breathen to the north? i care very much about them. it pains me to think that 23 million koreans are living under tyranny. i want it to end. but that can&#8217;t end without dialogue. the strategy seoul is pursuing is about the same strategy i would pursue: create a financial dependancy, and at the same time, start laying down the infrastructure for reunification. the south koreans can&#8217;t do these things if the north koreans aren&#8217;t talking to them.  </p>
<p>sewing, our goals are the same. it&#8217;s just our methods are different. that my way is different from yours does not mean i don&#8217;t care about the plight of korean people in the northern part of korea. </p>
<p>and yes, from your writings, i know you&#8217;re no korea basher. i apologize if i have offended you.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"So there was this ho, her name was Mary Magdalene, but we called her Mary Jane because she was always chillin' on the chronic..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So there was this ho, her name was Mary Magdalene, but we called her Mary Jane because she was always chillin&#8217; on the chronic&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Not to mention that the groups in Northeast China are actually doing useful humanitarian work rather than just going to a desert war zone to play doctor and try to win a few souls for Jeebus. That counts for at least a couple of points any day."

Jeebus, Shod, and the Holy Fashizit.  I think I read about them in the best seller,  "The Gospel According to Snoop Dog".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not to mention that the groups in Northeast China are actually doing useful humanitarian work rather than just going to a desert war zone to play doctor and try to win a few souls for Jeebus. That counts for at least a couple of points any day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jeebus, Shod, and the Holy Fashizit.  I think I read about them in the best seller,  &#8220;The Gospel According to Snoop Dog&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Those arrogant Christians in China, shouldn’t they get out of there and leave the Chinese alone?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps they should.  After all, they're committing at least a couple crimes in doing what they do (assisting North Korean refugees and (probably) holding unsanctioned religious services) for which they could be imprisoned or forcibly deported if the Chinese government found out (or if they missed their monthly payment to the local official's 'retirement fund', as it were...)  And of course, if the South Korean government would just step up and do something about the problem of North Korean refugees, (like even asking the Chinese government to give them safe passage to the nearest South Korean embassy) maybe the missionaries wouldn't be there to break the law in the first place.

Of course, the situation in China isn't quite the equivalent of the one in Afghanistan.  For one thing, Northeast China isn't exactly an active war zone with a local militant group that's in the habit of taking and executing hostages...  Whatever the missionaries in China do, they're not very likely to be sparking any major international incidents anytime soon.  

Not to mention that the groups in Northeast China are actually doing useful humanitarian work rather than just going to a desert war zone to play doctor and try to win a few souls for Jeebus.  That counts for at least a couple of points any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Those arrogant Christians in China, shouldn’t they get out of there and leave the Chinese alone?</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps they should.  After all, they&#8217;re committing at least a couple crimes in doing what they do (assisting North Korean refugees and (probably) holding unsanctioned religious services) for which they could be imprisoned or forcibly deported if the Chinese government found out (or if they missed their monthly payment to the local official&#8217;s &#8216;retirement fund&#8217;, as it were&#8230;)  And of course, if the South Korean government would just step up and do something about the problem of North Korean refugees, (like even asking the Chinese government to give them safe passage to the nearest South Korean embassy) maybe the missionaries wouldn&#8217;t be there to break the law in the first place.</p>
<p>Of course, the situation in China isn&#8217;t quite the equivalent of the one in Afghanistan.  For one thing, Northeast China isn&#8217;t exactly an active war zone with a local militant group that&#8217;s in the habit of taking and executing hostages&#8230;  Whatever the missionaries in China do, they&#8217;re not very likely to be sparking any major international incidents anytime soon.  </p>
<p>Not to mention that the groups in Northeast China are actually doing useful humanitarian work rather than just going to a desert war zone to play doctor and try to win a few souls for Jeebus.  That counts for at least a couple of points any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Echoing the sentiment in post #2, I like the boldness of linking the idea of "hostage" to the oppressed in North Korea. 

Everyone, not just South Koreans, need to be sensitized to the suffering of those under a tyrannical despot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echoing the sentiment in post #2, I like the boldness of linking the idea of &#8220;hostage&#8221; to the oppressed in North Korea. </p>
<p>Everyone, not just South Koreans, need to be sensitized to the suffering of those under a tyrannical despot.</p>
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		<title>By: patriotic american</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotic american</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sewing talks the talk, but does he walk the walk. That's what I want to know. I say: If invasion, assisted regime change, is your question, then I got the answer. Hell, yeah!!

But I ain't gonna be all puffed up and high handed about it. Fuck, why should I be? Take the commie, and/or rag head out. Explain it to the pansy liberals after the deed is done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sewing talks the talk, but does he walk the walk. That&#8217;s what I want to know. I say: If invasion, assisted regime change, is your question, then I got the answer. Hell, yeah!!</p>
<p>But I ain&#8217;t gonna be all puffed up and high handed about it. Fuck, why should I be? Take the commie, and/or rag head out. Explain it to the pansy liberals after the deed is done.</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Korean missionaries (ROKs and KAs) are the mainstay of efforts to help North Korean refugees in China through the underground railroad and other shelters, and they do this at considerable risk."


Wait a minute, but I thought Koreans don't care about North Koreans. They only go to missionary expeditions to Afghanistan to convert good Muslim people. Those arrogant Christians in China, shouldn't they get out of there and leave the Chinese alone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Korean missionaries (ROKs and KAs) are the mainstay of efforts to help North Korean refugees in China through the underground railroad and other shelters, and they do this at considerable risk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wait a minute, but I thought Koreans don&#8217;t care about North Koreans. They only go to missionary expeditions to Afghanistan to convert good Muslim people. Those arrogant Christians in China, shouldn&#8217;t they get out of there and leave the Chinese alone?</p>
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