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		<title>By: Fantasy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/26/hostages-go-on-hunger-strike-al-jazeera/#comment-99038</link>
		<dc:creator>Fantasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"it’s interesting to see so many here condemn koreans for not knowing about muslim culture and their religion, and yet, these very same people were the ones who celebrated (and defended) a danish cartoon. how ironic."


Pawikirogi, #51:


Pawi,

the Danes did not distribute their cartoons in Afghanistan or any other Muslim country - they published it in the local newspaper of the Danish city of Aarhus (pop. 250,000).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it’s interesting to see so many here condemn koreans for not knowing about muslim culture and their religion, and yet, these very same people were the ones who celebrated (and defended) a danish cartoon. how ironic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pawikirogi, #51:</p>
<p>Pawi,</p>
<p>the Danes did not distribute their cartoons in Afghanistan or any other Muslim country - they published it in the local newspaper of the Danish city of Aarhus (pop. 250,000).</p>
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		<title>By: yourbutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>yourbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonagi, Michael, and abcdef...,
To all whom it concerns,

I have this Korean friend (person will remain namelss) who works at the Afghanistan Embassy here in Seoul. So, over the past coupleof years or so, I have visited there many times, hung out with some Aghan diplomats and others many times. This is my experience:

The government tried many times to prevent missionaries from going to that country on Church trips for whatever reason, that is according to the folks that work at the embassy. Sometimes they (government folks)  convinced the church goers not to go, and at other times, they convinced the embassy to deny them visas, which means poor Afghanistan loses money and aid.  At least that is how the people working at there at the embassy talked about it.

One more thing. The folks at the embassy, to their credit, were instantly deny visas to church groups, if the pastor in charge, "seemed inexperienced about the culture of Afghanistan" in the words of one person there at the embassy.

My conclusion is this: The church groups that manage to get in the country are experienced about missionary, aid work, speak some languages, been there before. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonagi, Michael, and abcdef&#8230;,<br />
To all whom it concerns,</p>
<p>I have this Korean friend (person will remain namelss) who works at the Afghanistan Embassy here in Seoul. So, over the past coupleof years or so, I have visited there many times, hung out with some Aghan diplomats and others many times. This is my experience:</p>
<p>The government tried many times to prevent missionaries from going to that country on Church trips for whatever reason, that is according to the folks that work at the embassy. Sometimes they (government folks)  convinced the church goers not to go, and at other times, they convinced the embassy to deny them visas, which means poor Afghanistan loses money and aid.  At least that is how the people working at there at the embassy talked about it.</p>
<p>One more thing. The folks at the embassy, to their credit, were instantly deny visas to church groups, if the pastor in charge, &#8220;seemed inexperienced about the culture of Afghanistan&#8221; in the words of one person there at the embassy.</p>
<p>My conclusion is this: The church groups that manage to get in the country are experienced about missionary, aid work, speak some languages, been there before. </p>
<p>Any thoughts???</p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/26/hostages-go-on-hunger-strike-al-jazeera/#comment-98977</link>
		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the guy's a korea basher plain and simple. that many of you think he's the greatest is not a surprise at all, you know, birds of a feather and all. anyway....

'The Koreans have never been involved in relief and development...'

a lie. according to nation master, sk is in the top 20 when it comes to aid donors. in fact, just last year, korea increased it's aid to africa to almost a hundred million. korea was also one of the top donors for the tsunami that hit se asia a couple years ago. and how many of you remember korean rescue teams saving those taiwanese folk right after they had an earthquake? yeah, i know, not many of you. mr coyner, tell your friend he's a liar. 

'vietnamese boat people behind barbed wire...'

yes, and? they were illegal immigrants. maybe korea should have housed them in hotels with room service. and i wonder, did mr coyner's friend visit the refugee camps along the thai border? the fact of the matter is, the author used embellished language to villify a people he obviously despises. 

'he doesn't hate koreans or korea...'  my coyner

uh, yes, he does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the guy&#8217;s a korea basher plain and simple. that many of you think he&#8217;s the greatest is not a surprise at all, you know, birds of a feather and all. anyway&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8216;The Koreans have never been involved in relief and development&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>a lie. according to nation master, sk is in the top 20 when it comes to aid donors. in fact, just last year, korea increased it&#8217;s aid to africa to almost a hundred million. korea was also one of the top donors for the tsunami that hit se asia a couple years ago. and how many of you remember korean rescue teams saving those taiwanese folk right after they had an earthquake? yeah, i know, not many of you. mr coyner, tell your friend he&#8217;s a liar. </p>
<p>&#8216;vietnamese boat people behind barbed wire&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>yes, and? they were illegal immigrants. maybe korea should have housed them in hotels with room service. and i wonder, did mr coyner&#8217;s friend visit the refugee camps along the thai border? the fact of the matter is, the author used embellished language to villify a people he obviously despises. </p>
<p>&#8216;he doesn&#8217;t hate koreans or korea&#8230;&#8217;  my coyner</p>
<p>uh, yes, he does.</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Because while Christanity has been subject to humanistic trends for several centuries now, that resulting question of self-identity is a much larger problem for liberal churches that have abandoned belief in the inerrancy of Scripture.  Many Bible-believing conservative churches may have their own issues to wrestle with, but how to set themselves apart from non-Christians is not one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Because while Christanity has been subject to humanistic trends for several centuries now, that resulting question of self-identity is a much larger problem for liberal churches that have abandoned belief in the inerrancy of Scripture.  Many Bible-believing conservative churches may have their own issues to wrestle with, but how to set themselves apart from non-Christians is not one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herod (#70): Do you have any chapter and verse references for those passages in the Bible that advocate "abusing the mentally ill," etc.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herod (#70): Do you have any chapter and verse references for those passages in the Bible that advocate &#8220;abusing the mentally ill,&#8221; etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: TomCoyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomCoyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given some of the comments regarding my posting of a letter entitled "Church Tourists" - comment #59, I have contacted my friend who originally received the posted letter for some details on the author.

I might first clarify that the letter's author was not in the Peace Corps, in Korea or anywhere else. (Sorry about that erroneous introduction.)  And he is most definitely NOT a missionary.  

His academic background is in development and aid, and except for a few years spent in Korea in the 1990s, he has worked for NGOs in that field in several Asian locations as well as in Kosovo (as he describes).  

He is currently working for a New England-based NGO in development in South Asia, but not Afghanistan; I'm not aware that he has visited Afghanistan.  

His comments on the Korean character are based on first-hand experience -- not only here on the peninsula, but also on numerous encounters in other countries, with Koreans from both sides of the DMZ.  

(I might add that he is not at all fond of what Korean entrepreneurs and the tourists they bring in have done to Siem Reap, Cambodia.)  

To the best of my knowledge, he does not follow Marmot's Hole or other Korea blogs.  He comes up with his own thoughts.  

I hope this helps clarify who is this person and from where he is coming.

For what it may be worth...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given some of the comments regarding my posting of a letter entitled &#8220;Church Tourists&#8221; - comment #59, I have contacted my friend who originally received the posted letter for some details on the author.</p>
<p>I might first clarify that the letter&#8217;s author was not in the Peace Corps, in Korea or anywhere else. (Sorry about that erroneous introduction.)  And he is most definitely NOT a missionary.  </p>
<p>His academic background is in development and aid, and except for a few years spent in Korea in the 1990s, he has worked for NGOs in that field in several Asian locations as well as in Kosovo (as he describes).  </p>
<p>He is currently working for a New England-based NGO in development in South Asia, but not Afghanistan; I&#8217;m not aware that he has visited Afghanistan.  </p>
<p>His comments on the Korean character are based on first-hand experience &#8212; not only here on the peninsula, but also on numerous encounters in other countries, with Koreans from both sides of the DMZ.  </p>
<p>(I might add that he is not at all fond of what Korean entrepreneurs and the tourists they bring in have done to Siem Reap, Cambodia.)  </p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge, he does not follow Marmot&#8217;s Hole or other Korea blogs.  He comes up with his own thoughts.  </p>
<p>I hope this helps clarify who is this person and from where he is coming.</p>
<p>For what it may be worth&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Herod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've heard that too, alethia - that with all these Presbyterian churches vying for members their only way to survive is to outdo the competition in flashy charity stunts. Otherwise they have to fold up shop and (heaven forbid)let their congregation join another one.
There is also a problem in that the modern Christian's values are scarcely different from the values of humanism. In fact, it is humanist values that force today's Christians to read their Bible so selectively, dismissing (with various amusing theological acrobatics) all the passages urging people to abuse the mentally ill, to bash their enemies' children's heads against the rocks, etc.  
The problem is this: if non-Christians are being kind to their fellow men too, how does the Christian excel in God's eyes? He does this by getting up at the crack of dawn to go to church (a favored rite in Korea) and by going to great self-sacrificing lengths to perform his acts of kindness. It is evidently holier to spend 2 thousand bucks to fly to Afghanistan and hand out Lotte cookies than to donate 2 thousand bucks from the comfort of one's home to a qualified relief organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard that too, alethia - that with all these Presbyterian churches vying for members their only way to survive is to outdo the competition in flashy charity stunts. Otherwise they have to fold up shop and (heaven forbid)let their congregation join another one.<br />
There is also a problem in that the modern Christian&#8217;s values are scarcely different from the values of humanism. In fact, it is humanist values that force today&#8217;s Christians to read their Bible so selectively, dismissing (with various amusing theological acrobatics) all the passages urging people to abuse the mentally ill, to bash their enemies&#8217; children&#8217;s heads against the rocks, etc.<br />
The problem is this: if non-Christians are being kind to their fellow men too, how does the Christian excel in God&#8217;s eyes? He does this by getting up at the crack of dawn to go to church (a favored rite in Korea) and by going to great self-sacrificing lengths to perform his acts of kindness. It is evidently holier to spend 2 thousand bucks to fly to Afghanistan and hand out Lotte cookies than to donate 2 thousand bucks from the comfort of one&#8217;s home to a qualified relief organization.</p>
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		<title>By: dlatn</title>
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		<dc:creator>dlatn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to thank Tom for pasting the letter which should be illuminating for those with no experience in the aid game.
While I don't think this church outing was something I would have gone on, or advised anyone to take, there a couple of lines in the letter which demonstrate how  the professional aid community operates.

"In all cases the aid was predictable; the donors descended and dumped money on the known and proven players who took the money and started working to address the needs. The individuals who are on the ground doing the work in such cases are known. They have been to other hot spots doing the same thing. They know each other because it is a small community and a tight profession."

"I know of several organizations that, even now, maintain a strict policy of forcing development workers to get on a plane and get out of there every 5th or 6th week for R&#38;R. They have professional counselors assigned to the staff. They have bodyguards. They work in walled compounds with razor wire on the top of the wall. They can’t fraternize with the locals because they can’t get out of the compound."

"These are mono-linguistic tourists who would be a lot better off staying clear of the world’s danger zones and out of the paths of bullets."

I got out of the aid game for these very reasons."
"Professional" aid workers rarely speak the local language, always buy brand new expensive vehicles for their occasional jaunts to the villages, enjoy fly-in-fly-out Med conditions behind barb-wire, draw +US$100,000 tax-free salaries, enjoy the services of qualified masseurs upon arrival, etc.

These "professional" aid workers are indeed members of a traveling circus,  the costs of their 5-star package trips to scenes of suffering consume most of the resources donated by well-meaning tax payers (gov't aid) or private contributors (private aid organizations).
Very little gets to the ground.
RORT, FRAUD, CORRUPTION
Thats without getting into the issue of their "aid projects" ,
top-down aid projects by "professionals" (read colonials) with little idea about the communities in which they work rarely succeed.
These "professional" aid organizations have long lost their ability to act as neutral actors in conflict zones (much like journalists) because they lack the human resources to work effectively in the required communities.
Ive got no more time for the "professional" aid workers that make a career of 5-star junkets to some of the   places of greatest suffering on earth, than I do for this group of happy-clappies.
This "professional" should have a look at himself before questioning the right of others to contribute to those in need, even if it was Taekwondo performances and Kumbaya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to thank Tom for pasting the letter which should be illuminating for those with no experience in the aid game.<br />
While I don&#8217;t think this church outing was something I would have gone on, or advised anyone to take, there a couple of lines in the letter which demonstrate how  the professional aid community operates.</p>
<p>&#8220;In all cases the aid was predictable; the donors descended and dumped money on the known and proven players who took the money and started working to address the needs. The individuals who are on the ground doing the work in such cases are known. They have been to other hot spots doing the same thing. They know each other because it is a small community and a tight profession.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I know of several organizations that, even now, maintain a strict policy of forcing development workers to get on a plane and get out of there every 5th or 6th week for R&amp;R. They have professional counselors assigned to the staff. They have bodyguards. They work in walled compounds with razor wire on the top of the wall. They can’t fraternize with the locals because they can’t get out of the compound.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;These are mono-linguistic tourists who would be a lot better off staying clear of the world’s danger zones and out of the paths of bullets.&#8221;</p>
<p>I got out of the aid game for these very reasons.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Professional&#8221; aid workers rarely speak the local language, always buy brand new expensive vehicles for their occasional jaunts to the villages, enjoy fly-in-fly-out Med conditions behind barb-wire, draw +US$100,000 tax-free salaries, enjoy the services of qualified masseurs upon arrival, etc.</p>
<p>These &#8220;professional&#8221; aid workers are indeed members of a traveling circus,  the costs of their 5-star package trips to scenes of suffering consume most of the resources donated by well-meaning tax payers (gov&#8217;t aid) or private contributors (private aid organizations).<br />
Very little gets to the ground.<br />
RORT, FRAUD, CORRUPTION<br />
Thats without getting into the issue of their &#8220;aid projects&#8221; ,<br />
top-down aid projects by &#8220;professionals&#8221; (read colonials) with little idea about the communities in which they work rarely succeed.<br />
These &#8220;professional&#8221; aid organizations have long lost their ability to act as neutral actors in conflict zones (much like journalists) because they lack the human resources to work effectively in the required communities.<br />
Ive got no more time for the &#8220;professional&#8221; aid workers that make a career of 5-star junkets to some of the   places of greatest suffering on earth, than I do for this group of happy-clappies.<br />
This &#8220;professional&#8221; should have a look at himself before questioning the right of others to contribute to those in need, even if it was Taekwondo performances and Kumbaya.</p>
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		<title>By: a-letheia</title>
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		<dc:creator>a-letheia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, there is a certain amount of prestige associated with one's church sending so-called "aid workers" to a war-torn country.  It can get competitive.  

I don't know whether this is unique to Korea or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, there is a certain amount of prestige associated with one&#8217;s church sending so-called &#8220;aid workers&#8221; to a war-torn country.  It can get competitive.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether this is unique to Korea or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Herod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The letter raises an interesting point - on the one hand S.Korea is as a nation almost completely indifferent to humanitarian issues even in N.Korea, let alone in other countries. Not that S.Korean people in general have much sympathy for the downtrodden even in their own country. If they did they would vote for a different kind of government (and taxes would be much higher). And there wouldn't be Not In My Back Yard protests whenever someone tries to build a home for the handicapped. 
On the other hand there is a growing tendency of people to engage in photo-op type charity work, and social/charity work is a hugely popular major at universities among students who otherwise show no signs of a social conscience. Many Koreans I know make a point of telling me that they do charity work or that this would be their dream career if only they could afford to give up the one they already have, etc. 
What is going on here? I get the impression that they are interested in charity only if they can be the ones directly dispensing it and looking saintly, but perhaps this is too cynical of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The letter raises an interesting point - on the one hand S.Korea is as a nation almost completely indifferent to humanitarian issues even in N.Korea, let alone in other countries. Not that S.Korean people in general have much sympathy for the downtrodden even in their own country. If they did they would vote for a different kind of government (and taxes would be much higher). And there wouldn&#8217;t be Not In My Back Yard protests whenever someone tries to build a home for the handicapped.<br />
On the other hand there is a growing tendency of people to engage in photo-op type charity work, and social/charity work is a hugely popular major at universities among students who otherwise show no signs of a social conscience. Many Koreans I know make a point of telling me that they do charity work or that this would be their dream career if only they could afford to give up the one they already have, etc.<br />
What is going on here? I get the impression that they are interested in charity only if they can be the ones directly dispensing it and looking saintly, but perhaps this is too cynical of me.</p>
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