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		<title>By: vomundzumstein</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/20/nazis-in-korea/#comment-97767</link>
		<dc:creator>vomundzumstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to address what Tom Coyner said, because I simply could not agree more!  I teach at the biggest English academy in Gwangju, and I happen to teach a high level debate class. These kids are all very bright, well educated and from upper class families.  Not long ago I asked for suggestions for debate topics, and the idea "kick all of the foreigners out of Korea" was pitched.  Well, having studied comtemporary German history at the graduate level, I agreed it would be an interesting topic.  Long story short, the negative team focused exclusively on economic reasons, as kicking all of the foreigners out, like me, would obviously have an adverse impact.  The affirmative team's contention that miscegenation was a major issue went totally unchallenged.  So I asked, are you all really worried that if native Koreans 'breed' with foreigners, the quality and purity of the 'Korean race' will be negatively affected?  All agreed.  So I asked one more, and in my opinion far more telling question: should there be anti-miscegenation laws?  All agreed.  Sound familiar?  Hail Victory indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to address what Tom Coyner said, because I simply could not agree more!  I teach at the biggest English academy in Gwangju, and I happen to teach a high level debate class. These kids are all very bright, well educated and from upper class families.  Not long ago I asked for suggestions for debate topics, and the idea &#8220;kick all of the foreigners out of Korea&#8221; was pitched.  Well, having studied comtemporary German history at the graduate level, I agreed it would be an interesting topic.  Long story short, the negative team focused exclusively on economic reasons, as kicking all of the foreigners out, like me, would obviously have an adverse impact.  The affirmative team&#8217;s contention that miscegenation was a major issue went totally unchallenged.  So I asked, are you all really worried that if native Koreans &#8216;breed&#8217; with foreigners, the quality and purity of the &#8216;Korean race&#8217; will be negatively affected?  All agreed.  So I asked one more, and in my opinion far more telling question: should there be anti-miscegenation laws?  All agreed.  Sound familiar?  Hail Victory indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: dokdoforever</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/20/nazis-in-korea/#comment-97724</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, the Nazis regarded Asians, and all non-Europeans, as the lowest rung in the racial heirarchy, as "Untermenschen" literally "Under-human," to be subject, along with homosexuals and the disabled, to eugenics policies, including compulsory sterilization - which makes the three legged crow Korean group officially idiots for dressing up in their uniforms.

The Nazis were pragmatic, however, and designated the Japanese as "honorary aryans" during the war, a great goal for the 3 legged crow group to work towards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the Nazis regarded Asians, and all non-Europeans, as the lowest rung in the racial heirarchy, as &#8220;Untermenschen&#8221; literally &#8220;Under-human,&#8221; to be subject, along with homosexuals and the disabled, to eugenics policies, including compulsory sterilization - which makes the three legged crow Korean group officially idiots for dressing up in their uniforms.</p>
<p>The Nazis were pragmatic, however, and designated the Japanese as &#8220;honorary aryans&#8221; during the war, a great goal for the 3 legged crow group to work towards.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#32.  Well said.  White men should know this very well.

Wasn't World War I and World War II in Europe basically a giant tribal war, fueled by ultra, ultra, ultra nationalism?

I'm quite confident it was.

Thanks for the reminder.

Koreans, Korea, don't fight China or Japan.  Trade with them.  Don't kill'em.  Koreans may never recover warring with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#32.  Well said.  White men should know this very well.</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t World War I and World War II in Europe basically a giant tribal war, fueled by ultra, ultra, ultra nationalism?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite confident it was.</p>
<p>Thanks for the reminder.</p>
<p>Koreans, Korea, don&#8217;t fight China or Japan.  Trade with them.  Don&#8217;t kill&#8217;em.  Koreans may never recover warring with them.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . but you can’t deny that they’re (Koguryo Nazis) the terminus of a logical progression that has considerable cross-DMZ appeal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is precisely the psychological antique that resides in the Korean psyche that I once mentioned.  This tribalism is like a sleeping tiger because if it was awakened, the results would be potentially terrible and would entail suffering, at the very least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>. . . but you can’t deny that they’re (Koguryo Nazis) the terminus of a logical progression that has considerable cross-DMZ appeal.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is precisely the psychological antique that resides in the Korean psyche that I once mentioned.  This tribalism is like a sleeping tiger because if it was awakened, the results would be potentially terrible and would entail suffering, at the very least.</p>
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		<title>By: dokdoforever</title>
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		<dc:creator>dokdoforever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that's a popular misperception about Nazi rule being an efficient system.  You know Hitler had something like 4 different intelligence agencies all spying on one another because he was so worried about being overthrown.  Maybe Hogan's Heroes portrayal of bumbling Nazis and Colonel Clink is more accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s a popular misperception about Nazi rule being an efficient system.  You know Hitler had something like 4 different intelligence agencies all spying on one another because he was so worried about being overthrown.  Maybe Hogan&#8217;s Heroes portrayal of bumbling Nazis and Colonel Clink is more accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
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		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dokdo,

I don't think Asians who adopt Nazi propaganda tactics really care about what they thought about non-Arian peoples.  They appreciate Nazism's pure ability to unify the masses, the powerful slogans, organization and unity, all stuff that leaves a lasting impression with Confucians.

Check these links out:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/15/wtaiwan15.xml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_chic#Nazi_culture_and_Asian_rise

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Japanese_Workers_and_Welfare_Party

Any of you guys remember the old 60's Star Trek episode "Patterns of Force"?  Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock beam down to be shocked that this planet is a mirror image of Nazi Germany.  A Federation observer comes into a planet racked by war and unifies it by becoming their "Hitler" if you will, and instituting Nazism because because it was the "most efficient system Earth ever knew."  Of course the episode ends with the Federation guy acknowledging that he had made a grave mistake. (Synopsis found here: http://www.ericweisstein.com/fun/startrek/PatternsOfForce.html)

Now, of course, something like Nazism can only be sustained by a charismatic dictator and is thus inherently totalitarianistic and non-democratic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dokdo,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Asians who adopt Nazi propaganda tactics really care about what they thought about non-Arian peoples.  They appreciate Nazism&#8217;s pure ability to unify the masses, the powerful slogans, organization and unity, all stuff that leaves a lasting impression with Confucians.</p>
<p>Check these links out:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/15/wtaiwan15.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....iwan15.xml</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_chic#Nazi_culture_and_Asian_rise" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N.....Asian_rise</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Japanese_Workers_and_Welfare_Party" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N.....fare_Party</a></p>
<p>Any of you guys remember the old 60&#8217;s Star Trek episode &#8220;Patterns of Force&#8221;?  Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock beam down to be shocked that this planet is a mirror image of Nazi Germany.  A Federation observer comes into a planet racked by war and unifies it by becoming their &#8220;Hitler&#8221; if you will, and instituting Nazism because because it was the &#8220;most efficient system Earth ever knew.&#8221;  Of course the episode ends with the Federation guy acknowledging that he had made a grave mistake. (Synopsis found here: <a href="http://www.ericweisstein.com/fun/startrek/PatternsOfForce.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ericweisstein.com/f.....Force.html</a>)</p>
<p>Now, of course, something like Nazism can only be sustained by a charismatic dictator and is thus inherently totalitarianistic and non-democratic.</p>
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		<title>By: dokdoforever</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As WangKon rightly notes "with as little critical thinking as possible."  I wonder if these groups would be so willing to mimic the trappings of Nazism if they realized how the Nazis felt about non-arians and Asians in general.  I'm reminded of the controversy (or lack there of) surrounding the "Nazi Bar" in Shinchon a few years ago.

As for the no-leftist claim - nationalism is a convenient political tool which can be used by the left as well as the right, and you find the left using it effectively in states that have experienced colonialism and foreign domination, whereas in imperialist and expansionist powers, the right tends to be nationalist.  The difference between left and right derives from the class composition of respective political coalitions. Nazis may have thrown a few crumbs to the workers, but big business got the state contracts and repressive labor conditions they desired.  Leftists, on the other hand, desire collective property ownership, better working conditions, etc.  In the case of a medium power like Korea, foreign politics plays a relatively greater role, and nationalism tends to trump domestic politics for the left.  Take the recent FTA deal, for instance.  In relatively labor abundant Korea the big unions and their members should be big winners from free trade with the more capital abundant US.  But, they were strongly opposed to the agreement, mainly for nationalist concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As WangKon rightly notes &#8220;with as little critical thinking as possible.&#8221;  I wonder if these groups would be so willing to mimic the trappings of Nazism if they realized how the Nazis felt about non-arians and Asians in general.  I&#8217;m reminded of the controversy (or lack there of) surrounding the &#8220;Nazi Bar&#8221; in Shinchon a few years ago.</p>
<p>As for the no-leftist claim - nationalism is a convenient political tool which can be used by the left as well as the right, and you find the left using it effectively in states that have experienced colonialism and foreign domination, whereas in imperialist and expansionist powers, the right tends to be nationalist.  The difference between left and right derives from the class composition of respective political coalitions. Nazis may have thrown a few crumbs to the workers, but big business got the state contracts and repressive labor conditions they desired.  Leftists, on the other hand, desire collective property ownership, better working conditions, etc.  In the case of a medium power like Korea, foreign politics plays a relatively greater role, and nationalism tends to trump domestic politics for the left.  Take the recent FTA deal, for instance.  In relatively labor abundant Korea the big unions and their members should be big winners from free trade with the more capital abundant US.  But, they were strongly opposed to the agreement, mainly for nationalist concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; Taliban Kidnap 18 South Koreans in Afghanistan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; Taliban Kidnap 18 South Koreans in Afghanistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] *  I hate them even more than Illinois Nazis, but you can&#8217;t deny that they&#8217;re the terminus of a logical progression that has considerable cross-DMZ appeal.  Others have noticed, too. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] *  I hate them even more than Illinois Nazis, but you can&#8217;t deny that they&#8217;re the terminus of a logical progression that has considerable cross-DMZ appeal.  Others have noticed, too. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Western Confucian</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Western Confucian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sewing, you're right. That snarky comment impressed me too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sewing, you&#8217;re right. That snarky comment impressed me too.</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scary stuff.  But let's keep in mind that it appears to have been a Korean or Koreans who posted the video, including the snarky comment pointing out the equivalence between this group and Hitler youth of another age.  So at least there are some prescient Koreans who are on top of these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scary stuff.  But let&#8217;s keep in mind that it appears to have been a Korean or Koreans who posted the video, including the snarky comment pointing out the equivalence between this group and Hitler youth of another age.  So at least there are some prescient Koreans who are on top of these things.</p>
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