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		<title>By: wjk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/18/not-so-fast/#comment-97588</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, I'm correcting myself.

Obama has rocks in his head. 

Or rocks in his heart.

I believe he's the first in a decade to openly say withdraw, even if the Iraqis kill each other.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070720/ap_on_el_pr/obama_ap_interview

vote for Obama.  Watch the Sunnis and Shiites kill each other on tv.  Grab some pop and pop corn.  

Didn't Obama promise healthcare for all?

Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, I&#8217;m correcting myself.</p>
<p>Obama has rocks in his head. </p>
<p>Or rocks in his heart.</p>
<p>I believe he&#8217;s the first in a decade to openly say withdraw, even if the Iraqis kill each other.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070720/ap_on_el_pr/obama_ap_interview" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200....._interview</a></p>
<p>vote for Obama.  Watch the Sunnis and Shiites kill each other on tv.  Grab some pop and pop corn.  </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Obama promise healthcare for all?</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/18/not-so-fast/#comment-97512</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I'm telling you what Hillary and Obama already know.

after pulling out, they'll be getting ready for Iraq, round 3.  

Yes, a 3rd invasion !

I predict this happens after they are re-elected, for we all know that Presidents do what they truly want when they don't have to worry about re-elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I&#8217;m telling you what Hillary and Obama already know.</p>
<p>after pulling out, they&#8217;ll be getting ready for Iraq, round 3.  </p>
<p>Yes, a 3rd invasion !</p>
<p>I predict this happens after they are re-elected, for we all know that Presidents do what they truly want when they don&#8217;t have to worry about re-elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Kunsanpcv</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/18/not-so-fast/#comment-97505</link>
		<dc:creator>Kunsanpcv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FACTUAL historical record clearly demonstrates that many countries doubted the WMD claim.  It was Bush who forced the UN weapons inspectors out of Iraq, not Saddam.  And it was Bush who authorized and flogged the cherry-picked (misleading) intelligence estimates.  He has been dishonest and wrong the whole route on Iraq, and he is wrong now.  We are NOT safer because of his disastrous policies and staying in Iraq will make us progresively less safe.  The police and military are being squandered in a fruitless and counterproductive foreign policy fiasco that is only helping Osama and his boys get what they want, a US-led crusade against all muslims.  When you are in a deep hole the first course of action is to stop digging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FACTUAL historical record clearly demonstrates that many countries doubted the WMD claim.  It was Bush who forced the UN weapons inspectors out of Iraq, not Saddam.  And it was Bush who authorized and flogged the cherry-picked (misleading) intelligence estimates.  He has been dishonest and wrong the whole route on Iraq, and he is wrong now.  We are NOT safer because of his disastrous policies and staying in Iraq will make us progresively less safe.  The police and military are being squandered in a fruitless and counterproductive foreign policy fiasco that is only helping Osama and his boys get what they want, a US-led crusade against all muslims.  When you are in a deep hole the first course of action is to stop digging.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/18/not-so-fast/#comment-97499</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sonagi, the rest of the world did not know anything different from the get-go compared to the USA.

they all thought Iraq had wmd's.

difference?  Europe feared waging war with the Muslims.

it was the case where people caring passionately for something until they realized it was gonna cost them something significant.

there are big Muslim populations within Europe that have settled there by immigration.  

UK took a risk.  They suffered.  London Olympics terror, recent plot by highly educated, high social order Muslims, who obviously never felt comfortable being a Brit.

France.  They didn't want to.  However, they got theirs anyway, even without entering the war.  Muslim youths would trash France for about a week in the 2000's, claiming unfair treatment over a minor altercation with police.

Spain got bombed on its commuter train line.  No, that wasn't the ETA.  That was the internal Muslim population.

US.  Call it the new police state.  Or whatever you want.  Bush II made it possible for millions of Americans to not even feel one prick of blood since 911 and even turn the stocks, and corporate economy around in the green.  You call that the worst US President, ever?  90% of Americans got a minimum in the 100s, and most likely much more than that money as what are called tax refunds.  I know, because I didn't even do anything and got $700 in tax refunds this year alone.

And we say, we don't want this money.  Take it all back, and give us free health care.  Withdraw all the troops.  Let the Iraqis kill each other.  

Uh, they're gonna have to take much more than those checks to give us free health care, and that's the inconvenient truth.  I think with the free check, I could have bought myself one months worth of PPO coverage and had left over money to buy myself 4 tankfuls of gas on the Elantra.  What are you talking about, tax us more?  You mean, tax someone else more?  People and corps cheat on taxes legally and illegally.  Nobody wants to pay their fair share and everybody wants a free lunch.

I feel safe when I go thru all that airport routine.  I feel safe when the FBI and CIA prevent a US terror plot.  I feel safe when they raise the terror alert.  

This is a clash of civilizations forced upon us.  Nobody chose to do this.  

By the way, what do you think will happen, if US had gone thru what Pakistan went thru in the past few weeks?  Probably singing All we are saying is give peace a chance, 1,2,3,4, we don't want this fucking war.  Bush lies, who dies.  fuck bush, fuck bush.

And there will be police and military doing all they can to prevent a terror attack upon those people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sonagi, the rest of the world did not know anything different from the get-go compared to the USA.</p>
<p>they all thought Iraq had wmd&#8217;s.</p>
<p>difference?  Europe feared waging war with the Muslims.</p>
<p>it was the case where people caring passionately for something until they realized it was gonna cost them something significant.</p>
<p>there are big Muslim populations within Europe that have settled there by immigration.  </p>
<p>UK took a risk.  They suffered.  London Olympics terror, recent plot by highly educated, high social order Muslims, who obviously never felt comfortable being a Brit.</p>
<p>France.  They didn&#8217;t want to.  However, they got theirs anyway, even without entering the war.  Muslim youths would trash France for about a week in the 2000&#8217;s, claiming unfair treatment over a minor altercation with police.</p>
<p>Spain got bombed on its commuter train line.  No, that wasn&#8217;t the ETA.  That was the internal Muslim population.</p>
<p>US.  Call it the new police state.  Or whatever you want.  Bush II made it possible for millions of Americans to not even feel one prick of blood since 911 and even turn the stocks, and corporate economy around in the green.  You call that the worst US President, ever?  90% of Americans got a minimum in the 100s, and most likely much more than that money as what are called tax refunds.  I know, because I didn&#8217;t even do anything and got $700 in tax refunds this year alone.</p>
<p>And we say, we don&#8217;t want this money.  Take it all back, and give us free health care.  Withdraw all the troops.  Let the Iraqis kill each other.  </p>
<p>Uh, they&#8217;re gonna have to take much more than those checks to give us free health care, and that&#8217;s the inconvenient truth.  I think with the free check, I could have bought myself one months worth of PPO coverage and had left over money to buy myself 4 tankfuls of gas on the Elantra.  What are you talking about, tax us more?  You mean, tax someone else more?  People and corps cheat on taxes legally and illegally.  Nobody wants to pay their fair share and everybody wants a free lunch.</p>
<p>I feel safe when I go thru all that airport routine.  I feel safe when the FBI and CIA prevent a US terror plot.  I feel safe when they raise the terror alert.  </p>
<p>This is a clash of civilizations forced upon us.  Nobody chose to do this.  </p>
<p>By the way, what do you think will happen, if US had gone thru what Pakistan went thru in the past few weeks?  Probably singing All we are saying is give peace a chance, 1,2,3,4, we don&#8217;t want this fucking war.  Bush lies, who dies.  fuck bush, fuck bush.</p>
<p>And there will be police and military doing all they can to prevent a terror attack upon those people.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/18/not-so-fast/#comment-97486</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"Iraq is in no way comparable to bombing Serbia."&lt;/i&gt;

Military operations against Iraq and Serbia had different motives/objectives, but both were, as I stated correctly, interventions against foreign countries that had not attacked the US.  

I rank Bush II as one of the worst US presidents in history.  His two-term reign has been a long national nightmare.  However, it is ridiculous to blame Iraq on Bush or his administration alone.  He didn't invade without support from Congress and the American people.  I don't accept the "Bush lied" excuse.  Most folks outside the US who had an opinion on the war doubted the intel and thought the invasion was a disastrous idea.  How come it took our country four years, 3,500 military deaths, and $460 billion dollars to figure out what the rest of the world knew from the get-go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Iraq is in no way comparable to bombing Serbia.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Military operations against Iraq and Serbia had different motives/objectives, but both were, as I stated correctly, interventions against foreign countries that had not attacked the US.  </p>
<p>I rank Bush II as one of the worst US presidents in history.  His two-term reign has been a long national nightmare.  However, it is ridiculous to blame Iraq on Bush or his administration alone.  He didn&#8217;t invade without support from Congress and the American people.  I don&#8217;t accept the &#8220;Bush lied&#8221; excuse.  Most folks outside the US who had an opinion on the war doubted the intel and thought the invasion was a disastrous idea.  How come it took our country four years, 3,500 military deaths, and $460 billion dollars to figure out what the rest of the world knew from the get-go?</p>
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		<title>By: Kunsanpcv</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/18/not-so-fast/#comment-97473</link>
		<dc:creator>Kunsanpcv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey WJK, don't Bogart that stuff........pass around whatever it is that you're smoking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey WJK, don&#8217;t Bogart that stuff&#8230;&#8230;..pass around whatever it is that you&#8217;re smoking!</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/18/not-so-fast/#comment-97422</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>continued presence is the only option.  Withdrawal is convenient, mostly because only Iraqis will die.  That's what this is about, isn't it?

Don't give a damn as long as there is no home blood shed.

African civil wars.  Yugoslavian civil war.  Chechen war, Pol Pot's genocide.  Vietnam's war with its neighbors after US withdrawal, Indonesian genocide of minorities, the list goes on and on.

Republicans were shitting on Clinton's airstrikes against Iraq when Clinton was boss. 

Democrats were shitting on Bush I when Bush I was boss.

Now, Democrats are shitting on Bush II when Bush II is boss.

Bush NEVER lied.  Yeah, that's right.

There was a world wide consensus among Russian, German, Italian, French, and British espionage divisions that Iraq had everything dangerous to be feared, and even Iraq claimed it had it.  They kicked out the IAEA, they warned US not to enter Baghdad, hinting a WMD use, and their front man, the Minister of Information of Iraq committed suicide right after.

Don't worry.  Everything is sitting pretty in Syria.

Face it, US is now ultra sensative over troop deaths since Vietnam.

If Ike, FDR, or Truman were President nowadays, they would have been impeached while in office.  And even Teddy Roosevelt!

Way more people died during those wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>continued presence is the only option.  Withdrawal is convenient, mostly because only Iraqis will die.  That&#8217;s what this is about, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t give a damn as long as there is no home blood shed.</p>
<p>African civil wars.  Yugoslavian civil war.  Chechen war, Pol Pot&#8217;s genocide.  Vietnam&#8217;s war with its neighbors after US withdrawal, Indonesian genocide of minorities, the list goes on and on.</p>
<p>Republicans were shitting on Clinton&#8217;s airstrikes against Iraq when Clinton was boss. </p>
<p>Democrats were shitting on Bush I when Bush I was boss.</p>
<p>Now, Democrats are shitting on Bush II when Bush II is boss.</p>
<p>Bush NEVER lied.  Yeah, that&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>There was a world wide consensus among Russian, German, Italian, French, and British espionage divisions that Iraq had everything dangerous to be feared, and even Iraq claimed it had it.  They kicked out the IAEA, they warned US not to enter Baghdad, hinting a WMD use, and their front man, the Minister of Information of Iraq committed suicide right after.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry.  Everything is sitting pretty in Syria.</p>
<p>Face it, US is now ultra sensative over troop deaths since Vietnam.</p>
<p>If Ike, FDR, or Truman were President nowadays, they would have been impeached while in office.  And even Teddy Roosevelt!</p>
<p>Way more people died during those wars.</p>
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		<title>By: Kunsanpcv</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/18/not-so-fast/#comment-97411</link>
		<dc:creator>Kunsanpcv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton's policies toward Iraq were far from good, but it should be pointed out that it was conservatives and Republicans who pushed most strongly for precisely those policies.  They are the ones who have been after Saddam and pushing invasion since the early 1990s.  The point of my post was that the US sinmply has no idea how to 'fix' Iraq and no real ability to do it if it did.  To truly 'pacify' Iraq would require 500,000 US soldiers.  The Iraqi military is useless to us and no one else is sending any meaningful number of 'coalition' troops anymore.  We don't have those troops without a draft, and that ain't coming back.  Our continued presence there makes things worse, not better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton&#8217;s policies toward Iraq were far from good, but it should be pointed out that it was conservatives and Republicans who pushed most strongly for precisely those policies.  They are the ones who have been after Saddam and pushing invasion since the early 1990s.  The point of my post was that the US sinmply has no idea how to &#8216;fix&#8217; Iraq and no real ability to do it if it did.  To truly &#8216;pacify&#8217; Iraq would require 500,000 US soldiers.  The Iraqi military is useless to us and no one else is sending any meaningful number of &#8216;coalition&#8217; troops anymore.  We don&#8217;t have those troops without a draft, and that ain&#8217;t coming back.  Our continued presence there makes things worse, not better.</p>
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		<title>By: wookinponub</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice that the strident Pro-Bush pontificating seems to be waning.I hope the pendulum doesn't swing too far the other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice that the strident Pro-Bush pontificating seems to be waning.I hope the pendulum doesn&#8217;t swing too far the other way.</p>
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		<title>By: yourbutt</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/18/not-so-fast/#comment-97271</link>
		<dc:creator>yourbutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Iraq War was a fool's errand from the beginning. So many experts (e.g. respected political theorist John Mearsheimer), generals (e.g. Gen. Eric Shinseki) and wise folks from all manner of expertise and vocation warned DON'T INVADE IRAQ. 

But Bush did anyways. (1) He lied about WMD. (2) He lied about uranium in Niger. (3) He lied about an Al Qaeda connection. (4) He lied about US troops being greeted with roses. (5)  Bush lied about Iraq having chemical or biological weapons. (6) He lied about Iraq having a fleet of planes capable of dispersing such weapons to anywhere in the world. (7) Bush lied about Iraq having metal tubes built for nuke weapons production, a lie debunked months before he launched his invasion. (8) Bush lied about Iraq rebuilding its nuke facilities at former sites, which was also debunked months before he launched the invasion. 

Bush has lied constantly before and after his  Iraq War started. The war is said to cost 40 billion a month now. It cost about 3,000 Americans their lives. It cost 10s of thouusands of their limbs, their sanity, and their health in numerous other ways.

Iraq is in no way comparable to bombing Serbia. Are you out of your mind??? That is a ridiculous comparison. To compare the two the way you did just shows how completely out of touch you are. The Iraq War has ruined America in ways that the ten year long Vietnam War couldn't ever do. 

Bush has bankrupt America militaruly, fincancially, politically, in credibility (diplomacy) and spiritually (character). 

How can America demand to replace a country like Lybia on the UN Human Rights Commission now??? Who are the Americans now??? Do they stand for democracy and  human rights now? Or oil and some abstract MIddle East hegemony, some weird neo-con theory??? The Iraq War has at best mullified America's position as a beacon of such virtues. America's soul has been cheapened by Bush's war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Iraq War was a fool&#8217;s errand from the beginning. So many experts (e.g. respected political theorist John Mearsheimer), generals (e.g. Gen. Eric Shinseki) and wise folks from all manner of expertise and vocation warned DON&#8217;T INVADE IRAQ. </p>
<p>But Bush did anyways. (1) He lied about WMD. (2) He lied about uranium in Niger. (3) He lied about an Al Qaeda connection. (4) He lied about US troops being greeted with roses. (5)  Bush lied about Iraq having chemical or biological weapons. (6) He lied about Iraq having a fleet of planes capable of dispersing such weapons to anywhere in the world. (7) Bush lied about Iraq having metal tubes built for nuke weapons production, a lie debunked months before he launched his invasion. (8) Bush lied about Iraq rebuilding its nuke facilities at former sites, which was also debunked months before he launched the invasion. </p>
<p>Bush has lied constantly before and after his  Iraq War started. The war is said to cost 40 billion a month now. It cost about 3,000 Americans their lives. It cost 10s of thouusands of their limbs, their sanity, and their health in numerous other ways.</p>
<p>Iraq is in no way comparable to bombing Serbia. Are you out of your mind??? That is a ridiculous comparison. To compare the two the way you did just shows how completely out of touch you are. The Iraq War has ruined America in ways that the ten year long Vietnam War couldn&#8217;t ever do. </p>
<p>Bush has bankrupt America militaruly, fincancially, politically, in credibility (diplomacy) and spiritually (character). </p>
<p>How can America demand to replace a country like Lybia on the UN Human Rights Commission now??? Who are the Americans now??? Do they stand for democracy and  human rights now? Or oil and some abstract MIddle East hegemony, some weird neo-con theory??? The Iraq War has at best mullified America&#8217;s position as a beacon of such virtues. America&#8217;s soul has been cheapened by Bush&#8217;s war.</p>
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