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		<title>By: bumfromkorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/16/sorry-but-your-friends-are-tasty/#comment-97027</link>
		<dc:creator>bumfromkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"60% flour (or whatever they make mandu dough out of) and 40% cardboard."

Mmm... reminds me of the public high school cafeteria french fries...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;60% flour (or whatever they make mandu dough out of) and 40% cardboard.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mmm&#8230; reminds me of the public high school cafeteria french fries&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Creo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/16/sorry-but-your-friends-are-tasty/#comment-97007</link>
		<dc:creator>Creo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 04:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Chinese dogmeat restaurants will cook anything that barks."

Just saw a new story on street food in China.  They were being exposed for making mandu dough out of cardboard softened with chemicals.  The Chinese vendor called it the 60/40 formula.  60% flour (or whatever they make mandu dough out of) and 40% cardboard.  Anything to save a few coins in production costs.

I won't be eating any street food on my first visit to China needless to say.  Surprisingly the Chinese food vendor said he doesn't eat his own food either...nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Chinese dogmeat restaurants will cook anything that barks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just saw a new story on street food in China.  They were being exposed for making mandu dough out of cardboard softened with chemicals.  The Chinese vendor called it the 60/40 formula.  60% flour (or whatever they make mandu dough out of) and 40% cardboard.  Anything to save a few coins in production costs.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be eating any street food on my first visit to China needless to say.  Surprisingly the Chinese food vendor said he doesn&#8217;t eat his own food either&#8230;nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/16/sorry-but-your-friends-are-tasty/#comment-96995</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"I have never eaten a pet. I have eaten an animal that was bred to be eaten. ",/i&#62;

Did you see the dog before it was slaughtered?  Most dogmeat comes from farms, but larger household or guard dogs that are no longer wanted may be sold to a butcher or a restaurant.  I used to walk by a dogmeat restaurant every weekend on the way to a friend's house, and I would see live dogs in cages outside the restaurant.  The dogs were not always the light brown livestock variety.  Chinese dogmeat restaurants will cook anything that barks.  Down the road from my apartment was a "fresh kill" dogmeat restaurant that butchered on demand.  The cage outside was full of dogs of every breed.  We even saw a collie and a German shepherd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I have never eaten a pet. I have eaten an animal that was bred to be eaten. &#8220;,/i&gt;</p>
<p>Did you see the dog before it was slaughtered?  Most dogmeat comes from farms, but larger household or guard dogs that are no longer wanted may be sold to a butcher or a restaurant.  I used to walk by a dogmeat restaurant every weekend on the way to a friend&#8217;s house, and I would see live dogs in cages outside the restaurant.  The dogs were not always the light brown livestock variety.  Chinese dogmeat restaurants will cook anything that barks.  Down the road from my apartment was a &#8220;fresh kill&#8221; dogmeat restaurant that butchered on demand.  The cage outside was full of dogs of every breed.  We even saw a collie and a German shepherd.</i></p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/16/sorry-but-your-friends-are-tasty/#comment-96985</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dogbertt, those apts. are in a building that used to be a slum, basically. Now they're asking over $700,000 a unit--crazy. K-town has really taken off. 

"Visiting and eating in Ktown is cool. Living there, not cool. Though I gotta say, smoking is still allowed everywhere which is pretty cool. 

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2007/04/atop_the_mercur.php

My sentiments exactly :)

~~~~Don't beat the dog before you eat the dog~~~~~~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogbertt, those apts. are in a building that used to be a slum, basically. Now they&#8217;re asking over $700,000 a unit&#8211;crazy. K-town has really taken off. </p>
<p>&#8220;Visiting and eating in Ktown is cool. Living there, not cool. Though I gotta say, smoking is still allowed everywhere which is pretty cool. </p>
<p><a href="http://la.curbed.com/archives/2007/04/atop_the_mercur.php" rel="nofollow">http://la.curbed.com/archives/.....mercur.php</a></p>
<p>My sentiments exactly <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>~~~~Don&#8217;t beat the dog before you eat the dog~~~~~~</p>
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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/16/sorry-but-your-friends-are-tasty/#comment-96983</link>
		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 71,

I see someone's been trolling the web, looking for information on yours truly.  That was on what?  Page 22 of google search after you hit "repeat the search with the omitted results included"?  I'm not going to even venture to ask why you even bothered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 71,</p>
<p>I see someone&#8217;s been trolling the web, looking for information on yours truly.  That was on what?  Page 22 of google search after you hit &#8220;repeat the search with the omitted results included&#8221;?  I&#8217;m not going to even venture to ask why you even bothered.</p>
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		<title>By: empraptor</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/16/sorry-but-your-friends-are-tasty/#comment-96980</link>
		<dc:creator>empraptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"using animals for medical research can be done humanely, just as butchering livestock for food generally is."

I don't know if things have changed any, but last time I watched a video on what goes on in a slaughter factory, I thought I was going to vomit the the whole day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;using animals for medical research can be done humanely, just as butchering livestock for food generally is.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if things have changed any, but last time I watched a video on what goes on in a slaughter factory, I thought I was going to vomit the the whole day.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbertt</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogbertt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The all important national image that Koreans always talk about will always get a beating if it’s propagated in pop culture that Koreans eat dog. We can debate the right and wrong forever, but the fact is it just freak’in looks bad.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Speaking of which, how's your crusade to get people to stop referring to the Mercury as the "kimchi palace" going?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The all important national image that Koreans always talk about will always get a beating if it’s propagated in pop culture that Koreans eat dog. We can debate the right and wrong forever, but the fact is it just freak’in looks bad.</p></blockquote>
<p>Speaking of which, how&#8217;s your crusade to get people to stop referring to the Mercury as the &#8220;kimchi palace&#8221; going?</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/16/sorry-but-your-friends-are-tasty/#comment-96978</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the issue of dogmeat comes up, I am fond of citing this research study from Purdue University:

&lt;i&gt;"There are a variety of environmental conditions which can cause stress in animals. Some of these include extremes in temperature, humidity, light, sound, and confinement. Other stressors are excitement, fatigue, pain, hunger, thirst. Movement to unfamiliar surroundings can also cause stress in animals. &lt;b&gt;Stress before slaughter can cause undesirable effects on the end quality of meat such as pale, soft, exudative (PSE) meat and dark firm dry (DFD) meat.&lt;/b&gt;

 http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/meat_quality/mqf_stress.html

The article explains the chemical processes that damage meat, resulting from two kinds of stress - pre-slaughter mistreatment and poor diet/living conditions.  The whole notion that beating a dog to death enhances the quality of the meat is, like fan death, part of modern Korean mythology.  Moreover, any animal meat is only as good as that animal's diet.  I would guess that livestock dogs are fed rendered animal parts that are probably high in toxins.  The further up the food chain, the higher the pesticide residue in the meat.

Man's best friend might be tasty, but it's probably not healthy and not even good quality meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the issue of dogmeat comes up, I am fond of citing this research study from Purdue University:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;There are a variety of environmental conditions which can cause stress in animals. Some of these include extremes in temperature, humidity, light, sound, and confinement. Other stressors are excitement, fatigue, pain, hunger, thirst. Movement to unfamiliar surroundings can also cause stress in animals. <b>Stress before slaughter can cause undesirable effects on the end quality of meat such as pale, soft, exudative (PSE) meat and dark firm dry (DFD) meat.</b></p>
<p> <a href="http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/meat_quality/mqf_stress.html" rel="nofollow">http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/meat.....tress.html</a></p>
<p>The article explains the chemical processes that damage meat, resulting from two kinds of stress - pre-slaughter mistreatment and poor diet/living conditions.  The whole notion that beating a dog to death enhances the quality of the meat is, like fan death, part of modern Korean mythology.  Moreover, any animal meat is only as good as that animal&#8217;s diet.  I would guess that livestock dogs are fed rendered animal parts that are probably high in toxins.  The further up the food chain, the higher the pesticide residue in the meat.</p>
<p>Man&#8217;s best friend might be tasty, but it&#8217;s probably not healthy and not even good quality meat.</i></p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#68.

Let me answer that for you:  using animals for medical research can be done humanely, just as butchering livestock for food generally is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#68.</p>
<p>Let me answer that for you:  using animals for medical research can be done humanely, just as butchering livestock for food generally is.</p>
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		<title>By: bumfromkorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/16/sorry-but-your-friends-are-tasty/#comment-96972</link>
		<dc:creator>bumfromkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Precisely the reason why the industry should be regulated by the government.  Curb the animal abuse, establish safety, and create a compromise between the anti-dog meat camp and pro-dog meat camp.  Three birds with one stone.

SomeguyinKorea, I know this is way off-topic, but your comment reminded me of an old, old issue.  Is animal cruelty justified when it involves direct human benefit? (like medical research, for example)  (Disclaimer: Not trying to relate this to eating dogs... just happens that some of my friends are hardcore PETA members and we always get into this argument...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely the reason why the industry should be regulated by the government.  Curb the animal abuse, establish safety, and create a compromise between the anti-dog meat camp and pro-dog meat camp.  Three birds with one stone.</p>
<p>SomeguyinKorea, I know this is way off-topic, but your comment reminded me of an old, old issue.  Is animal cruelty justified when it involves direct human benefit? (like medical research, for example)  (Disclaimer: Not trying to relate this to eating dogs&#8230; just happens that some of my friends are hardcore PETA members and we always get into this argument&#8230;)</p>
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