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		<title>By: London Korean Links / Fakes and curruption in art and academia</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/16/accusations-all-lies-prof-shin/#comment-97923</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lies, all lies at the Marmot, 16 July [...]</description>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/16/accusations-all-lies-prof-shin/#comment-97511</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WJK, if I show you a way to cheat on your tax form so you don't pay the government money you owe, and you go ahead and cheat, I am not to blame for your actions, you are. You freely chose to cheat.

Likewise, Japan is not to blame for whatever failings Koreans have, and you have no solid proof to the contrary. 

Korean businessmen going to Japan to copy products and sell them here is not "Japan's fault," it's simply Korean businessmen acting like weasals. 

Anyway, yes, I'm happy :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WJK, if I show you a way to cheat on your tax form so you don&#8217;t pay the government money you owe, and you go ahead and cheat, I am not to blame for your actions, you are. You freely chose to cheat.</p>
<p>Likewise, Japan is not to blame for whatever failings Koreans have, and you have no solid proof to the contrary. </p>
<p>Korean businessmen going to Japan to copy products and sell them here is not &#8220;Japan&#8217;s fault,&#8221; it&#8217;s simply Korean businessmen acting like weasals. </p>
<p>Anyway, yes, I&#8217;m happy <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: gbnhj</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/16/accusations-all-lies-prof-shin/#comment-97250</link>
		<dc:creator>gbnhj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>●~*, I understand your skepticism, but not all are like this woman. My sister-in-law is in a doctoral program at Rutgers University. It's been a great challenge for her, especially teaching in quiz sections for undergrad courses (where most students are native-speakers of English), but her confidence and abilities have increased substantially. I don't know whether she'll return to Korea. She tells me that many Koreans who go to school in the States end up staying. 

But not all do. According to my sister-in-law, many Koreans who end up staying in the States either get jobs or start businesses that, while profitable, are considered 'lower-class' by their families (e.g., dry cleaners and supermarkets). For those who can't conscience that cultural slide, and are unable to get a sufficiently-high-status job in the US, returning to the Korean job market is probably preferable.

●~*, you'll find liars in every profession; Korea can lay no special claim to that, so don't be too suspicious of everybody who has studied in the States and returned.

As #16 notes above, the Korean reaction to exposure of this type of lie is said to be one of shame and embarrassment, but not guilt. ●~*, what's your take on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>●~*, I understand your skepticism, but not all are like this woman. My sister-in-law is in a doctoral program at Rutgers University. It&#8217;s been a great challenge for her, especially teaching in quiz sections for undergrad courses (where most students are native-speakers of English), but her confidence and abilities have increased substantially. I don&#8217;t know whether she&#8217;ll return to Korea. She tells me that many Koreans who go to school in the States end up staying. </p>
<p>But not all do. According to my sister-in-law, many Koreans who end up staying in the States either get jobs or start businesses that, while profitable, are considered &#8216;lower-class&#8217; by their families (e.g., dry cleaners and supermarkets). For those who can&#8217;t conscience that cultural slide, and are unable to get a sufficiently-high-status job in the US, returning to the Korean job market is probably preferable.</p>
<p>●~*, you&#8217;ll find liars in every profession; Korea can lay no special claim to that, so don&#8217;t be too suspicious of everybody who has studied in the States and returned.</p>
<p>As #16 notes above, the Korean reaction to exposure of this type of lie is said to be one of shame and embarrassment, but not guilt. ●~*, what&#8217;s your take on that?</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, no, no, Michael.

Japan is to blame for many, many things !

Not just bribery.

Korea uses the Japanese system for countless things.

As we speak, we have Korean people on a business trip in Japan, specifically to check out what's the latest in Japan, and upon returning they find a way to sell Japanese products, copied, and unlicensed in the Korean market, announcing this product as their new creation!

Actually, I'm not sure if Japan is to blame.  Koreans should blame themselves for their choices...on certain things.

Happy ?  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, no, no, Michael.</p>
<p>Japan is to blame for many, many things !</p>
<p>Not just bribery.</p>
<p>Korea uses the Japanese system for countless things.</p>
<p>As we speak, we have Korean people on a business trip in Japan, specifically to check out what&#8217;s the latest in Japan, and upon returning they find a way to sell Japanese products, copied, and unlicensed in the Korean market, announcing this product as their new creation!</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m not sure if Japan is to blame.  Koreans should blame themselves for their choices&#8230;on certain things.</p>
<p>Happy ?  <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WJK, there's no way on earth I can appeal to common sense with you, so this is probably futile, but you were specifically referring to bribery in Korean society related to college admissions, and in historical accounts of Korea I read, bribery was rampant in Korea long before Japan colonized it, so the practice was already established in Korea. End of story. 

Your comments that always assign blame to Japan for some problems in Korean society lead to the conclusion that Koreans absorbed their failings from Japanese rule and are too weak to rid themselves of these, since 60-plus years later they are still "under the influence." Isn't that a bit absurd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WJK, there&#8217;s no way on earth I can appeal to common sense with you, so this is probably futile, but you were specifically referring to bribery in Korean society related to college admissions, and in historical accounts of Korea I read, bribery was rampant in Korea long before Japan colonized it, so the practice was already established in Korea. End of story. </p>
<p>Your comments that always assign blame to Japan for some problems in Korean society lead to the conclusion that Koreans absorbed their failings from Japanese rule and are too weak to rid themselves of these, since 60-plus years later they are still &#8220;under the influence.&#8221; Isn&#8217;t that a bit absurd?</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An even longer and more detailed article from &lt;i&gt;The Independent&lt;/i&gt; from last Friday: &lt;a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article2765578.ece" rel="nofollow"&gt;The talented Ms Shin&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An even longer and more detailed article from <i>The Independent</i> from last Friday: <a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article2765578.ece" rel="nofollow">The talented Ms Shin</a></p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a fairly detailed English-language account published just yesterday in the HK-based online magazine &lt;i&gt;Asia Sentinel&lt;/i&gt;: &lt;a href="http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&#38;task=view&#38;id=583&#38;Itemid=34" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Rise and Fall of a Korean Success Story.&lt;/a&gt;

For those of us not living in Korea, it sounds like this has quickly become THE big story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a fairly detailed English-language account published just yesterday in the HK-based online magazine <i>Asia Sentinel</i>: <a href="http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=583&amp;Itemid=34" rel="nofollow">The Rise and Fall of a Korean Success Story.</a></p>
<p>For those of us not living in Korea, it sounds like this has quickly become THE big story?</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18

Actually, the people to blame are the foreign educated Koreans who returned to Korea in the 1960's, the ones who could have made a difference, but instead locked themselves in the ivory towers of academia and left the policy making to functionaries who, not knowing any better, stuck with what they knew:  the Japanese system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18</p>
<p>Actually, the people to blame are the foreign educated Koreans who returned to Korea in the 1960&#8217;s, the ones who could have made a difference, but instead locked themselves in the ivory towers of academia and left the policy making to functionaries who, not knowing any better, stuck with what they knew:  the Japanese system.</p>
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		<title>By: KimcheeGI</title>
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		<dc:creator>KimcheeGI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@adynata:

Is that the August edition? the on-line version has July's edition, but I guess you have to be a subscriber for access to the latest....

Charlie,
The KimcheeGI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@adynata:</p>
<p>Is that the August edition? the on-line version has July&#8217;s edition, but I guess you have to be a subscriber for access to the latest&#8230;.</p>
<p>Charlie,<br />
The KimcheeGI</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;　“제게 남은 마지막 콤플렉스가 학력이에요. 보다 정확히는 학력을 부끄러워한 마음이죠. 친구들 따라 6개월간 도강한 게 전부인데, 만화가 히트한 다음에 사람들이 ‘어느 대학 나왔느냐’고 묻는 거예요. 당시만 해도 만화가라면 한 수 내려보는 풍토라서 ‘중퇴’라고 거짓말했죠. 이 사실이 지난 25년간 저를 괴롭혔어요. ‘버디’ 3권 부제가 ‘핸디캡’인데 작가 서문에서 이 사실을 밝혔습니다. 핸디캡·콤플렉스란 결국 자기를 옥죄고 구속해서 스스로를 영원히 약자로 만든다는 거죠.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://news.joins.com/article/2796962.html?ctg=1500

here's one dude who's coming clean about something similar, probably not totally unrelated to Ms. Shin.

He was prof of Sae Jong Univ, his uncle was a commy, high school was his highest degree.

He is best known for Wae In Goo Dan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>　“제게 남은 마지막 콤플렉스가 학력이에요. 보다 정확히는 학력을 부끄러워한 마음이죠. 친구들 따라 6개월간 도강한 게 전부인데, 만화가 히트한 다음에 사람들이 ‘어느 대학 나왔느냐’고 묻는 거예요. 당시만 해도 만화가라면 한 수 내려보는 풍토라서 ‘중퇴’라고 거짓말했죠. 이 사실이 지난 25년간 저를 괴롭혔어요. ‘버디’ 3권 부제가 ‘핸디캡’인데 작가 서문에서 이 사실을 밝혔습니다. 핸디캡·콤플렉스란 결국 자기를 옥죄고 구속해서 스스로를 영원히 약자로 만든다는 거죠.”</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://news.joins.com/article/2796962.html?ctg=1500" rel="nofollow">http://news.joins.com/article/.....l?ctg=1500</a></p>
<p>here&#8217;s one dude who&#8217;s coming clean about something similar, probably not totally unrelated to Ms. Shin.</p>
<p>He was prof of Sae Jong Univ, his uncle was a commy, high school was his highest degree.</p>
<p>He is best known for Wae In Goo Dan.</p>
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