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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/11/back-door/comment-page-1/#comment-96027</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading a similar story a few months ago. I distinctly remember that Korean gangs were involved and that the people who opened the bank accounts were Korea citizens, on lady investigated claimed that she had been paid only 75000won in exchange for her account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading a similar story a few months ago. I distinctly remember that Korean gangs were involved and that the people who opened the bank accounts were Korea citizens, on lady investigated claimed that she had been paid only 75000won in exchange for her account.</p>
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		<title>By: Baek du boy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/11/back-door/comment-page-1/#comment-95994</link>
		<dc:creator>Baek du boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The culprits are ETHNIC Chinese right.. not Joseon jok, who would also be fluent in Korean. 

Who'd give their bank details to someone speaking Korean with a foreign accent anyway?..some locals or our Joseon jok must be helping out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The culprits are ETHNIC Chinese right.. not Joseon jok, who would also be fluent in Korean. </p>
<p>Who&#8217;d give their bank details to someone speaking Korean with a foreign accent anyway?..some locals or our Joseon jok must be helping out.</p>
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		<title>By: Socius in Daejeon &#124; Keep an Eye on This Story</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/11/back-door/comment-page-1/#comment-95969</link>
		<dc:creator>Socius in Daejeon &#124; Keep an Eye on This Story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the Marmot&#8217;s Hole, Dram_man picked up a story in the Korea Times about possible new regulations on sending your cash [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at the Marmot&#8217;s Hole, Dram_man picked up a story in the Korea Times about possible new regulations on sending your cash [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Careb</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/11/back-door/comment-page-1/#comment-95902</link>
		<dc:creator>Careb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>motherfrackers! everyone of 'em. and not the phishing scammers, i mean the lazy-ass government tools who dreamed this up. don't they realize how many "foreigners" open bank accounts and then hand over that account to an "education company" to "manage"? it sounds like a scam and no doubt dubious things happen with these accounts, so crackdown on that instead. 

#12 Sonagi: Koreans = bah hah hah hah; you only have to sound official or be overly demanding and most people do what they're told without thinking about it. it's so easy to take advantage of people here because of exactly the lack of education about things like protecting your money, passwords, etc. education before regulation is a much better approach.

#13 Creo: i haven't had to cough up any letters for Kookmin&#8212;yet. but i also haven't tried to send over 2k in a long time. it's the same documents and form and nosy flipping through my passbook, but no further inquires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>motherfrackers! everyone of &#8216;em. and not the phishing scammers, i mean the lazy-ass government tools who dreamed this up. don&#8217;t they realize how many &#8220;foreigners&#8221; open bank accounts and then hand over that account to an &#8220;education company&#8221; to &#8220;manage&#8221;? it sounds like a scam and no doubt dubious things happen with these accounts, so crackdown on that instead. </p>
<p>#12 Sonagi: Koreans = bah hah hah hah; you only have to sound official or be overly demanding and most people do what they&#8217;re told without thinking about it. it&#8217;s so easy to take advantage of people here because of exactly the lack of education about things like protecting your money, passwords, etc. education before regulation is a much better approach.</p>
<p>#13 Creo: i haven&#8217;t had to cough up any letters for Kookmin&#8212;yet. but i also haven&#8217;t tried to send over 2k in a long time. it&#8217;s the same documents and form and nosy flipping through my passbook, but no further inquires.</p>
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		<title>By: Creo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"koomin"...Kookmin  "a way"...away

Sorry, guess typing and driving can both be dangerous when tired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;koomin&#8221;&#8230;Kookmin  &#8220;a way&#8221;&#8230;away</p>
<p>Sorry, guess typing and driving can both be dangerous when tired.</p>
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		<title>By: Creo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/11/back-door/comment-page-1/#comment-95871</link>
		<dc:creator>Creo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“However, the line of questioning that a Koomin branch manager tried to unleash on me when I last sent home a fair sum of cash home was definitely over the line.”

In fairness to kookmin Bank, I understand this branch manager was doing his job which is to keep deposits in the bank.  However, doing a way with witch hunts for foreign companies that get the best of Koreans… a legal system that that favors the locals and… the crazy brother up North who likes to shoot off fireworks would be far more effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“However, the line of questioning that a Koomin branch manager tried to unleash on me when I last sent home a fair sum of cash home was definitely over the line.”</p>
<p>In fairness to kookmin Bank, I understand this branch manager was doing his job which is to keep deposits in the bank.  However, doing a way with witch hunts for foreign companies that get the best of Koreans… a legal system that that favors the locals and… the crazy brother up North who likes to shoot off fireworks would be far more effective.</p>
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		<title>By: MigukNamja</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/11/back-door/comment-page-1/#comment-95867</link>
		<dc:creator>MigukNamja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"However, the line of questioning that a Koomin branch manager tried to unleash on me when I last sent home a fair sum of cash home was definitely over the line."&lt;/i&gt;

So, if it's difficult for foreigners to get their money &lt;b&gt;out&lt;/b&gt; of Korea, will they pause before putting it in ? You betcha. This will do nothing but discourage foreigners from investing in Korea in the first place.

Transparency : out
Barriers     : in

Be careful what you wish for, Hermit Kingdom, you just might get it. I predict Korea will slip further down the GDP rankings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;However, the line of questioning that a Koomin branch manager tried to unleash on me when I last sent home a fair sum of cash home was definitely over the line.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>So, if it&#8217;s difficult for foreigners to get their money <b>out</b> of Korea, will they pause before putting it in ? You betcha. This will do nothing but discourage foreigners from investing in Korea in the first place.</p>
<p>Transparency : out<br />
Barriers     : in</p>
<p>Be careful what you wish for, Hermit Kingdom, you just might get it. I predict Korea will slip further down the GDP rankings.</p>
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		<title>By: MigukNamja</title>
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		<dc:creator>MigukNamja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tone of the article smacks of:

"Foreigners are the source of this (all) crime(s), so the best way to prevent crime(s) is to blame the foreigners".

Mmm, hmm. Sort of like that myth that all illegal drugs in Korea are here because of foreigners.

So, in other words, foreigners are guilty until...well...guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tone of the article smacks of:</p>
<p>&#8220;Foreigners are the source of this (all) crime(s), so the best way to prevent crime(s) is to blame the foreigners&#8221;.</p>
<p>Mmm, hmm. Sort of like that myth that all illegal drugs in Korea are here because of foreigners.</p>
<p>So, in other words, foreigners are guilty until&#8230;well&#8230;guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: Creo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Creo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of this is a valid effort to crack down on scams but I also have been getting the sense over the last year that there is an effort being made to make it more difficult for people like us to take “Korea’s” wealth home with us.  

 Both Citi Bank and Kookmin (KB) now demand a letter (stating earnings) from an employer as proof that the funds you are transferring have been earned legally.   Not much you can do about that as a crack down is probably long overdue in this country.  However, the line of questioning that a Koomin branch manager tried to unleash on me when I last sent home a fair sum of cash home was definitely over the line.

Since this was right after the nuclear testing incident in the North, I am sure there was some apprehension foreigners may clear out their deposits with banks.   That said, it has none the less been getting more difficult to get even legally earned funds out of Korea in the last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of this is a valid effort to crack down on scams but I also have been getting the sense over the last year that there is an effort being made to make it more difficult for people like us to take “Korea’s” wealth home with us.  </p>
<p> Both Citi Bank and Kookmin (KB) now demand a letter (stating earnings) from an employer as proof that the funds you are transferring have been earned legally.   Not much you can do about that as a crack down is probably long overdue in this country.  However, the line of questioning that a Koomin branch manager tried to unleash on me when I last sent home a fair sum of cash home was definitely over the line.</p>
<p>Since this was right after the nuclear testing incident in the North, I am sure there was some apprehension foreigners may clear out their deposits with banks.   That said, it has none the less been getting more difficult to get even legally earned funds out of Korea in the last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm amazed that so many Koreans would give up valuable data like credit card numbers and passwords over the phone.  There's the problem, folks.  As #10 noted, this proposed law wouldn't stop Koreans, who probably do most of the phishing.  Educating Koreans about guarding personal and financial data would make far more sense, but this law obviously isn't about making sense or cutting down on phishing.  It's just a cover for putting further limits on foreigners' taking money out of the country.

@#11:  I think the "ethnic Chinese" are bilingual residents of Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed that so many Koreans would give up valuable data like credit card numbers and passwords over the phone.  There&#8217;s the problem, folks.  As #10 noted, this proposed law wouldn&#8217;t stop Koreans, who probably do most of the phishing.  Educating Koreans about guarding personal and financial data would make far more sense, but this law obviously isn&#8217;t about making sense or cutting down on phishing.  It&#8217;s just a cover for putting further limits on foreigners&#8217; taking money out of the country.</p>
<p>@#11:  I think the &#8220;ethnic Chinese&#8221; are bilingual residents of Korea.</p>
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