Comments on: 무신도, Shamanism in Korea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/ Korea... in Blog Format Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:14:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: bighominid http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95744 bighominid Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:45:33 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95744 Thank you, gentlemen. Kevin Thank you, gentlemen.

Kevin

]]> By: sanshinseon http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95681 sanshinseon Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:24:40 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95681 R. Elgin has it right, IMHO -- 2 minutes after my own reply, heh. The debate i describe in #15 might seem silly to some, but it' earth-shaking to me & my fellow frogs in the little korean-studies folk-religions well :-) It's the sortta thing that excites us who have no Life... and yes we get paid for delving into it... R. Elgin has it right, IMHO — 2 minutes after my own reply, heh.

The debate i describe in #15 might seem silly to some, but it’ earth-shaking to me & my fellow frogs in the little korean-studies folk-religions well :-) It’s the sortta thing that excites us who have no Life… and yes we get paid for delving into it…

]]> By: R. Elgin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95657 R. Elgin Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:01:23 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95657 Kevin, it is my understanding that each mountain has its own spirit and that exceptional people can actually become the sanshin for a certain mountain but it is my understanding that the sanshin is more an abstract essence of a mountain than an actual person. To believe otherwise is like thinking that God has a white beard and sits on a gigantic throne. Hopefully "sanshinseon" will weight in on this topic further but do check the links in the thread for more information. Kevin, it is my understanding that each mountain has its own spirit and that exceptional people can actually become the sanshin for a certain mountain but it is my understanding that the sanshin is more an abstract essence of a mountain than an actual person. To believe otherwise is like thinking that God has a white beard and sits on a gigantic throne.

Hopefully “sanshinseon” will weight in on this topic further but do check the links in the thread for more information.

]]> By: sanshinseon http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95656 sanshinseon Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:59:37 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95656 Kevin, the theory that Founding King Dan-gun, upon his retirement, became *THE* San-shin, a single Mountain-spirit worshiped on many mountains, is held by Prof. James Grayson of Sheffield Univ in England, and expressed in his well-respected book _Korea: a Religious History_. As far as i know, Grayson originated this theory himself, although some Koreans may have independently believed it too. The opposite theory, that Dan-gun became *A* San-shin, of a particular mountain (Guwol-san?), and that Korean Mountain-spirits are multiple and individual, one or more for each mountain -- altho there is *also* iconization and ritual-respect of San-shin in the collective sense (as a Catholic might offer a prayer to "all the saints") -- is held by myself, and thoroughly explored in my book on this subject (with consideration of Grayson's theory, attempting to refute it ). This latter notion is certainly more widespread in Korea. I have debated Grayson over this several times, in public and in e-mail. I think i'm right (big surprise!) and have lots of evidence to support my side. Check the point in his book, look all thru my book and decide for yourself.... Kevin, the theory that Founding King Dan-gun, upon his retirement, became *THE* San-shin, a single Mountain-spirit worshiped on many mountains, is held by Prof. James Grayson of Sheffield Univ in England, and expressed in his well-respected book _Korea: a Religious History_. As far as i know, Grayson originated this theory himself, although some Koreans may have independently believed it too.

The opposite theory, that Dan-gun became *A* San-shin, of a particular mountain (Guwol-san?), and that Korean Mountain-spirits are multiple and individual, one or more for each mountain — altho there is *also* iconization and ritual-respect of San-shin in the collective sense (as a Catholic might offer a prayer to “all the saints”) — is held by myself, and thoroughly explored in my book on this subject (with consideration of Grayson’s theory, attempting to refute it ). This latter notion is certainly more widespread in Korea.

I have debated Grayson over this several times, in public and in e-mail. I think i’m right (big surprise!) and have lots of evidence to support my side. Check the point in his book, look all thru my book and decide for yourself….

]]> By: bighominid http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95558 bighominid Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:20:08 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95558 I've heard some disagreement as to whether the term "sanshin" refers to a single mountain god/spirit worshiped on many mountains, or to multiple mountain spirits-- i.e., one for each mountain. Some Koreans I've spoken with incline toward the latter notion. Which notion is more widespread? Any help would be appreciated. Kevin I’ve heard some disagreement as to whether the term “sanshin” refers to a single mountain god/spirit worshiped on many mountains, or to multiple mountain spirits– i.e., one for each mountain. Some Koreans I’ve spoken with incline toward the latter notion. Which notion is more widespread? Any help would be appreciated.

Kevin

]]> By: oranckay http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95554 oranckay Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:18:49 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95554 I thought the post was going to be about the painting(s) because title says 무신도. I thought the post was going to be about the painting(s) because title says 무신도.

]]> By: ggoma chief http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95487 ggoma chief Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:09:09 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95487 Interesting article. My name was given by an 이름쟁이, who determined a 'name of fortune' by analysizing my time of birth; I was never happy about that fact, that my name was given by a random, superstitious stranger. :( I think the article shows the korean 기복신앙 very well. Koreans tend to pray for their personal or family welfare - to mtn spirits, Buddha, Christ, ancestors or any combination from above. Interesting article.

My name was given by an 이름쟁이, who determined a ‘name of fortune’ by analysizing my time of birth; I was never happy about that fact, that my name was given by a random, superstitious stranger. :(

I think the article shows the korean 기복신앙 very well. Koreans tend to pray for their personal or family welfare - to mtn spirits, Buddha, Christ, ancestors or any combination from above.

]]> By: French Quarter http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95476 French Quarter Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:38:46 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95476 It's always interesting to talk to shamans. I also enjoyed talking to amateur and professional psychics abroad, while psychics and shamans are different. It’s always interesting to talk to shamans. I also enjoyed talking to amateur and professional psychics abroad, while psychics and shamans are different.

]]> By: R. Elgin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95473 R. Elgin Sat, 07 Jul 2007 17:39:52 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95473 That was a nice article Robert. The Mudang seems to be really cool and I can understand why she likes Hendrix. That was a nice article Robert. The Mudang seems to be really cool and I can understand why she likes Hendrix.

]]> By: Sperwer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95453 Sperwer Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:31:11 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/07/07/%eb%ac%b4%ec%8b%a0%eb%8f%84-shamanism-in-korea/#comment-95453 Yep. Yep.

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