If that’s true, I’m a complete Kraut. Affectionately, your kraut-mick friend.

I mean, I met this German American who claims that the Irish are just Germans who got kicked out of Germany.

And everyone knows where Anglo Saxon and even Jutes, Normans came from.

I even had an English guy tell me that the current British monarchy are Germans in their roots. They supposedly changed their names to Windsor from some other name right before or after World War 1.

Now, that, I could stretch nonsensically to a civil war.

Manchus and Han Chinese. Their roots are completely different. Maybe the Manchus can be German tribes and the Han Chinese Slavic tribes, would you call that an internal war at the year of 1600 or so?

“On June 26, the U.S. House of Representatives, Foreign Affairs Committee passed House Resolution 121, demanding a formal apology from Japan over the sexual exploitation of young women in Asia during World War II. The committee demanded the passing of this resolution on the grounds that Japan was inadequate in acknowledging their past military atrocities. Just having passed the House Foreign Affairs Committee by a vote of 39-2, the resolution is now awaiting full House action….”

You’re probably right about how the GNP will fare no better vis a vis the North. Hope you’ll share that case of beer

please provide statement from hawley’s book that korea lost and china won. i don’t remember reading that. i see you do, so where is it? just a lie, i’d say. please also provide statement from turnbull.

‘I’ll leave you to wallow in YOUR Han-sty. (My ethnic cohort doesn’t go in for the complex of onanistic group self-pity, self-loathing and self-aggrandizement on which you seem to thrive - let alone the exhibitionist display thereof’ sperwer

wow, you’re impressive. you’re also one pissed off cat. maybe you and blueballs should hook up. again, what is the source of your han? don’t tell me you don’t got that. you got plenty.

‘Ditto for for Turnbull, whose book is good, just not exactly first-rate scholarship…’ sperwer

you mean, you use the ‘coffee table’ book as a source? you just got done shitting on said source. lol.

‘The only support that you adduce for your thesis are a couple of PR blurbs that happen to mention Korea in the same sentence with China winning the war.’

the only support you’ve given is your opinion. that’s the same thing as those two blurbs written by folks who’ve read the book. unlike you, they conclude korea won. why is that? i can only note that the authors of those blurbs don’t have a history of denigrating koreans like you do.

‘your cochroach pride…’

are you sure you don’t have han? lol.

korea won the imjin war.

comedy.

fit for a political cartoon.

they can’t discuss the bomb, because it might strain relations with the US?

Japan has a sort of SaDaeBu complex as well, I suppose.

I still think Korea won.

The Koreans lost their starter in the 1st inning without getting an out, and they lost their best position player for the season during the game, but it’s still a win in the books.

You say Korea never recovered, and in a sense yes. But did you know that one Chosun king was actually preparing to invade China after the Manchu wars? I think it was Young Jo’s grandson, Jeong Jo, but I’m not certain for sure. As usual, SaDaeBu’s got in the way, and it was quickly scrapped to the bones after Jeong Jo’s early death. I think it was him, but I’m not certain. He had plans to discontinue tributary to Qing, opening up to the outside, accepting Catholics, and invading Qing, but almost all of his plans went no where. Thanks to SaDaeBu.

Actually, I can’t think of another case of an Empire tanking itself to foreign invasion after getting involved in a buffer zone war.

Maybe Russia in Serbia, then tanking into a real civil war from the communists, but that’s about all I can muster up.

i look at it in a very simple way; koreans are still here, aren’t they? i suppose you could respond by repeating that koreans ‘never successfully defended themselves’ and thus, have nothing to be proud of, but that would be how you look at the world, now, isn’t it? korea’s still here. that’s how i look at the world.

The pond scum in the lake surrounding Kyeonghoe-ru is still there, and so are the cockroaches in Jongno. Did they win the Imjin War, too? Somehow I don’t think your co-ethno-chauvinists would be flattered by your peculiar sense of accomplishment.

I’d be glad that you’ve at least read Hawley if you had learned anything; but apparently you haven’t. I assumed you hadn’t read it, because you neither cited any statement from Hawley to the effect that “Korea” “won”, nor compiled any evidence from the book in support of a reasoned argument in support of that claim.

Ditto for for Turnbull, whose book is good, just not exactly first-rate scholarship (which I’m sure Turnbull would cheerily admit, since his purpose was not to produce an academic monograph.)

The only support that you adduce for your thesis are a couple of PR blurbs that happen to mention Korea in the same sentence with China winning the war.

My argument, which I won’t repeat, which is based on the facts related in detail in Hawley’s book and Turnbull’s and others, is that China won the Imjin war. Unlike your cockroach theory of survival, my position is - contrary to your misrepresentation - independent of what happened later. China won because it defeated the Japanese, whose aim remember was to invade and conquer China - Korea was just to have been a passageway, much as it had been for the Mongols when they, with prodigious amounts of Korean assistance, tried to invade Japan - and did so without suffering any homeland collateral damage.

I didn’t say that Yi Sun Sin’s actions were ineffectual, but that on balance the total of Korea’s efforts to repel the Japanese were; the decisive factors were Hideyoshi’s decision not to provision his troops and the Chinese.

If you think Korea has anything to be proud of in being so weak and militarily ineffective as to have permitted Japan to ruin the country and then be saved from annihilation only by virtue of Chinese intervention, I’ll leave you to wallow in YOUR Han-sty. (My ethnic cohort doesn’t go in for the complex of onanistic group self-pity, self-loathing and self-aggrandizement on which you seem to thrive - let alone the exhibitionist display thereof).