When the tale of Roy Pearson, the DC administrative law judge who is suing a Korean-American dry cleaner for $54 million for a lost pair of pants, was first reported, I asked whether race might have something to do with it.
Not everyone thought that was wise.
It appears, however, I’m not the only one asking that question. In the WaPo’s blog, Marc Fisher discusses the simmering tensions between DC’s black and Korean communities.
He writes:
Interestingly, until the start of last week’s trial, the mail on the Pants Man was focused almost entirely on issues of abusing the legal system, the eternal battle over tort reform, and how the District could possibly have such a fellow serving as an administrative law judge. But once the trial started–and most importantly, once the first news photos of Pearson started appearing online, on TV and in the paper–the tenor of reader reaction changed dramatically. I still heard plenty of outrage about how Pearson was tormenting the owners of the dry cleaners and wasting the court’s resources, but now that it was widely known that Pearson is black, a good chunk of the mail shifted to matters of ethnic rivalry.
Similarly, the surprise announcement that Rhee, a Korean-American woman, would become the first non-black chief of the D.C. school system in nearly half a century immediately engendered all manner of comment about supposed antipathy toward blacks by Koreans–all this from people who know nothing of Rhee’s background, approach or personality.
He continues:
I’ll spare you the comments that consist solely of racist vitriol, but I think there’s value in looking at the texture of the incidents and complaints that readers report about encounters with Korean merchants. I doubt that these incidents are much different from those that could be catalogued about any dry cleaner, no matter the owner’s ethnicity, but here’s one of the more thoughtful comments I’ve received from readers who believe the pants case is more about black-Korean tensions than anything else:
“The main thing here is the strained relationship between Korean businesses and Blacks with regard to customer service or lack thereof,” wrote Keith Jones, a legal assistant at a major Washington company. He told of an Asian-owned grocery in his D.C. neighborhood where he says the owner routinely sells coffee creamer that has passed its sell-by date, as well as a dry cleaner that he says charges exorbitant rates.
“It is clear that the Korean merchants have a lot of businesses in urban America and that they are unified,” Jones writes. “Blacks in these urban settings, for the most part, rely solely on Korean establishments in their neighborhoods. This is due to access and ultimately, their socio-economic status. I am certainly not saying that this justifies the Pearson case, especially not the amount. From the examples I gave from my own experience, however, one can only imagine what a Black person experiences daily dealing with the Koreans.”
Now, does this mean the Pearson case is definitely racial? Not necessarily, says Fisher:
Did Roy Pearson sue the Chung family, owners of Custom Cleaners, because they are Korean immigrants? There’s no evidence of that. Will the rank and file of the D.C. school system refuse to give Michelle Rhee a chance to succeed because she is Korean-American? Certainly most people are better than that. But in both cases, the noise around the black-Korean tension is loud enough to make hard situations much harder, and that’s worth keeping a close eye on.
Frankly, I know nothing about the state of relations between Koreans and blacks in the United States other than they don’t seem to get along particularly well, and even that is gathered just from what I read. I’m sure some of this blog’s readers — especially Korean-American readers — have more insightful commentary to add.
(HT to reader)


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conflicts between korean store owners and black customers are usually overblown by the media. however, the media mostly stopped reporting about korean american-african american conflict and moved on to african american-hispanic conflict.
the relationship between korean-black and black-hispanic isnt as bad as the media report.
I have to agree with kimchi… korean-black relations in urban areas sometimes has the way of going Hyosoon-APC on us. I don’t know about DC, but in New York, there are zillion and one Korean pop n’ mom operations in inner cities and black customers are pretty loyal to those businesses.
In some ways I am empathetic towards Pearson. The story he presents seems to be that the Chungs jerked him around about his missing pants and finally presented him with a “false” pair of pants. Then the Chungs offered some ridiculous amount of money for “compensation.” But Pearson got pissed off and put up a multi-million dollar legal fight.
Now. I’ve heard of a lot of Korean drycleaners who told me that it isn’t unheard of for certain people to try to “scam” drycleaners into paying a lot of money for “damaged” or “lost” items. (i’m not accusing Pearson of lying) This sort of behavior is probably more frequent in poor areas such as DC than in a rich suburb. My guess is that Chungs might have assumed Pearson was one of those people. Did they fraudulently “find” another pair of pants? For the sake of “innocent until proven guilty” let’s assume they didn’t do it on purpose. It is entirely possible that this business loses articles of clothing routinely (or once in awhile) and just assumed that the pants without a receipt attached was Pearson’s pants by process of elimination. Whatever the case may be, from Pearson’s perspective, it looks like Chungs are liars trying to just screw him over. I think at this point, Pearson probably took the fight as a matter of principle and didn’t accept thousands of dollars as compensation.
What’s sad about this story is that Pearson’s personal “fight” against the Chungs probably won’t solve anything in terms of “big picture” of dry cleaners losing stuff. Or drycleaners assuming people are trying to screw them over with stories of “lost” items or “damaged” items. sometimes sh17 just happens…
I know that the topic at hand is suggesting the possibility that the whole case may spawn from Koreans mistreating Blacks, but I feel that the other side is many times underrepresented. It is a conflict, where both sides have a problem with the other.
I’m not trying to say that either side is right, but the way the article portrayed Koreans’ treatment of Blacks is quite one-sided. Left out is the fact that Koreans may be (and many are) going through in cases of racism (CHING CHONG CHANG) straightout rudeness, and belittling of storeowners.
The author may have just included the Blacks’ problems with Korean storeowners because it was a Black customer suing a Korean owner, but I got the impression from the article that it was some sort of revenge for the terrible treatment Blacks have gotten from Koreans.
Koreans in the small business industry also act as middlemen, and they can actually be looked upon as the victim, because as a small business they are making money for the larger corporations (whites) and guilty for trying to make a living by selling goods to the poor (blacks).
“Koreans in the small business industry also act as middlemen, and they can actually be looked upon as the victim, because as a small business they are making money for the larger corporations (whites) and guilty for trying to make a living by selling goods to the poor (blacks).”
That is utter bullshit. A lot of Korean-owned businesses are not franchises of large “white” corporations but independently owned mom-and-pop businesses.
@virtual: Put down the pipe. The man filed a $54 million dollar lawsuit and cried on the stand over a fuckin’ pair of pants. Did you actually see the pair of pants in question? No, I didn’t think so. You’re just taking the word of a man who was ordered by the judge in his divorce case to pay his ex-wife’s legal fees of $12,000 for “creating unnecessary litigation” and for threatening his ex-wife and her lawyer with disbarment. Maybe he was just fighting for some principles in that case, too. I’ll trust the judge’s decision.
@ sonagi, I don’t think I’ll infer that they are franchisees of “white corporations”, rather the “white corporations” are likely banks, suppliers, insurance companies, etc.
Victims? Golly, I hadn’t thought about that. I think you’re right. You know, I just realized that Koreans have been victims quite a bit. Actually more frequently than that. Looks like all the time. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
And this guy was earlier wondering why many of the commenters here are “anti-Kyopo”? Once the word “victim” gets tossed around like dirty laundry at the cleaners you’ll see a reaction. You’ve been lurking for a year and hadn’t noticed that? I call shenanigans to the claim of 1-year lurking.
“That is utter bullshit. A lot of Korean-owned businesses are not franchises of large “white” corporations but independently owned mom-and-pop businesses.”
Exactly. Besides, if they are victims, it’s because they are also consumers who pay 10$ at retail for something that cost 5 cents to make in China.
“The man filed a $54 million dollar lawsuit and cried on the stand over a fuckin’ pair of pants. Did you actually see the pair of pants in question?”
At 54 million dollars, they better look like something Elton John would wear on stage.
Marc Fisher may be making the mistake of inserting the issue of race into this litigation case. It is entirely possible that Roy Pearson is a crazy ex-judge with too much time on his hands and/or the Chungs really are guilty of cleanery highway robbery. However, what is prompting him to do so is the sudden change in response that WaPo is getting in its letters and comments via its website once court illistrations have have shown the parties to be Black and Korean. It’s interesting to note that once people get to see the race of the plantiff and defendent, the nature of the arguement, as well as the shape of people’s opinions, change radically.
I don’t know if that’s a good thing. However, race wars sell newspapers so go figure.
In reading some of the testimony is was apparant that the “judge” was under financial and emotional stress due to a divorce. He admitted that he only had $1000 in the bank and wanted justice.
IMHO the cleaner could have offered a few hundred bucks for the error and maybe made peace with a reasonable person. Unfortunately a cash poor man in the middle of a divorce is not reasonable (been there done that). The multi million dollar claim is completely absurd and if the Korean cleaners are liable and have to pay more that a grand my recommendation would be for Korean cleaners across the nation to stage a mass 14 day vacation. Close up shop, (give notice that you will be closed) take a vacation, see some sights and screw everyone.
I’ve been in numerous large and medium size American cities and even in Amish Pennsylvania and seen a Korean cleaners.
all this over a pair of pants
the world is a great place isn’t it????
Couple of facts to this story. The cleaners refused to do business with the plaintiff because of a past disagreement and general stand-offish attitude of the plaintiff. Instead of taking his business elsewhere, the plaintiff convinced the cleaners to take his pants in for service anyway. When the plaintiff sued the cleaners, the cleaners offered the plaintiff 12,000 US dollars, which the plaintiff refused. I guess we can try to differentiate what “satisfaction guaranteed” means.
More than a decade ago a healing song, “Ebony and Ivory,” was a big hit. Perhaps we need another soothing ditty, such as “Kimchi and Fried Chicken.” Just an idea….
Seriously, when we lived in Southern California, there was serious strains between the two communities with some remarkable church leaders in both camps doing exemplary outreach. The gist seemed to be economic jealousy where Korean immigrant families would take over cheap liquor and dry cleaning enterprises in black neighborhoods. So as to get around the minimum wage laws, Korean families would hire their relatives, usually their children. So when black customers shopped, they noticed there were rarely if any black clerks. Things became exasperated as Korean families turned over their profits generated from black communities to buy homes in the primarily white and mixed suburbs. Black leaders, with some justification, often pointed that Koreans were siphoning off wealth from the black communities, And from there, things got worse, leading to a serious LA race riot in the early ‘90’s. The good news is there has since been serious bridge building by leaders of both communities so as to mitigate future violence. I can only guess there may be some similarities in D.C. as were/are in L.A.
This ‘judge’ is a piece of shit who is trying to con some big cash out of some poor Koreans he’s targetted. But of course there could be no racism involved. Blacks are not racists, they are only victims, remember. If people in these communities hate the fact that Koreans have started businesses and hate the prices they charge and the supposedly poor service they provide, why don’t more Blacks start their own businesses and drive the Korean ones out of business?
There is only one solution to solve this problem once and for all. Koreans get the hell out. Just leave and see how many boarded up and cracked up buildings dot the land. Then finally the natives can be happy while they ride the bus to buy food and services across town. Frankly, I would never want to risk my life and put up with daily thuggeries even if someone paid me a million dollars. Money isn’t everything, happiness is.
snow, didn’t some ninny call you a “racist” for posting a similar post before? Solidarity, comrade.
This Roy Pearson is living proof that the Indian fucked the buffalo.
Roy Person seems to have sought his suicide buddies or victims to destroy when he would commit suicide.
I haven’t worried about the Chungs because Pearson’s claims do not have legal merits. Any reasonable attorney who remembers tort law would know it as soon as she learns the facts and his claims. If Pearson had really sought damages, he should have settled the case when the Chungs offered him $12,000. Less than 10% of lawsuits go to trial, and the other cases are settled, whether or not the claims have merits. Pearson cannot win in this case in court. Moreover, his claims and conducts is highly likely to have violated the Rule of Professional Responsibility in D.C. In most or all states, the Rule regulates practices of lawyers and prohibits frivolous or harassing lawsuits. Discovery requests for the purpose of harassment is prohibited as well. Pearson asked the Chungs to submit the list of the dry cleaners that have in a “Satisfaction Guarantteed” sign in the U.S. AND THE WORLD. Pearson is a pro se complaint in this case. He could even be disbarred for this case. For these reasons, I have worried about Pearson, not the Chungs (the Chungs could be awarded damages if they have countersued him, but they didn’t). Why is Pearson doing this? Why is he trying to destroy himself? I don’t think he is trying to sacrifice himself to make his society a better one by fighting against racism or bad manners of dry cleaners.
Public policy reasoning will be likely to be very important in the opinion of the court in this case. The below article gives an idea:
June 20, 2007
Why Judge Pearson’s Lawsuit Matters
Judge Roy Pearson’s lawsuit against his drycleaners for losing his pants induces an equal amount of outrage and mockery, but it’s important to remember that this kind of legal excess is not that unusual. U.S. businesses and citizens are constantly bedeviled by litigious cranks and cranky litigators. Small business owners are especially vulnerable to frivolous but destructive lawsuits.
Don Brunell, president of the Association of Washington Business, Washington state’s chamber of commerce, addresses that sad fact and its consequences in an excellent op-ed in The Daily Columbian:
There is a mistaken assumption that a small proprietor slapped with a lawsuit simply lets his insurance company handle it. Wrong. Many business owners shoulder the costs themselves out of fear of higher premiums or the risk that their insurance company will cancel their coverage. Some start-up businesses simply cannot afford liability insurance. In fact, the [Institute for Legal Reform] study shows that, in 2005, small business owners paid $20 billion out of their own pockets for court costs and out-of-court settlements.
Finally, the smallest businesses, those with revenues of less than $1 million, paid $31 billion in lawsuit-related costs. Let’s put that in perspective. These businesses, which represent just 6 percent of total business revenues, paid more than 20 percent of the national tort tab. These lawsuits really do hit the “little guy” who struggles to make ends meet.
http://blog.nam.org/archives/2....._pears.php
RC, You are surely gonna get slammed for recycling that old joke.
Thanks, French Quarter. Tort law absolutely needs reform in the US. It’s little more than a very sick joke that is hurting competitiveness in its markets, especially, as you note, the competitiveness of the smallest and most vulnerable businesses.
pa, I could have recommended Pearson stick his head out of his car window at highway speed to beat himself to death with his own lips. That would be in poor taste so I decided against it.
Tom Coyner, thanks for that background story on the situation in LA.
RailwayCharm, dude, please…
Sewing that is just the defeatist attitude that caused Hong Kong based “Darkie Toothpaste” to change the product name to Darlie Toothpaste. Pearson can kiss my white ass or, get back out on the lawn.
Railwaycharm:
Let me guess, a black guy banged your wife and/or stole “your” job.
Ahh yes, sex explains everything. Think John Henry is blastin’ some tunnel? How many Freudians we have amongst our readership!
#23 How did you know?
Pearson needs to boned-out and used as a wetsuit.
#5 seouldout -
I have been here for one year and one month to be exact, you can check my posts from that time if you wish. Hell, you can check out my homepage (i dont really use it anymore) link off my name and see that people from marmot’s hole have posted about a year ago on my site regarding last year’s topics.
And sure, Koreans seem to have the victim-complex or whatever you want to call it, but the bottom line is, Korean small business owners in America are in a pretty crappy position if you ask me.
And yes, you are correct about my inference to larger corporations being suppliers of the small businesses who make the REAL money, not the small businesses who make a decent living off of hours and effort that are NOT worth it for your health or time in the long run.
This is why I believe the Korean storeowners are in an unfavorable position, because they aren’t the ones making the big bucks, and they are getting the most shit for it because they are ripping off the poor to make their money.
And if you have ever seen first hand how some Korean storeowners are treated by their customers, there’s no way that you won’t sympathize with them. The other side of the argument would be that Koreans are apathetic about the surrounding urban community and they just take the money out of the community and live in the suburbs. Both sides just feed off each other and makes the situation worse. It also doesn’t help that there are language and cultural barriers between owners and customers that prevent them from communicating accurately.
RE: post #27
Regardless of how you define exploitative whitey as the major corporations that supply small Korean-owned businesses, it does not matter. As whole foods enthusiast, I have no love for the US food industry, but Kraft Foods and Unilever are not to blame for conflicts between blacks and ethnic Koreans in the US.
I don’t think either group is unilaterally at fault, but like you, I am actually more sympathetic to Korean business owners. I used to work in a large school district with a growing population of children in permanent underclass families of different races. Some of these kids, extremely rude and grossly lacking in social and life skills, were mini-me’s of their parents.
Given the choice between chopping up chicken parts in a Tyson’s factory and operating a convenience store in Washington, DC, I think I’d opt for the slaugtherhouse. At least the chickens aren’t armed.
This might surprise you coming from me, but….
Korean merchants in black neighborhoods have my real sympathies. Many, maybe a majority of blacks, are extremely hostile to non-blacks and conditioned to believe in a code of “black-machismo” involving the taunting, insulting, and menacing of any non-blacks in their vacinities at any time.
At the moment, the overwhelmingly typical white reaction is to pretend she or he didn’t hear it and try to escape the situation.
Korean shopkeepers have no such option, of escape. Massive and to-the-core black racist hatred of non-blacks, culturally inculcated from the earliest age, overflows even when facing Asians or hispanics. However, Asians and Hispanics have not been exposed, like whites, to 75 years of black violent street terror, and so like real men they stand up and basically say “Asshole! Why are you talking to me like that?”
Then the fighting starts.
What I am saying is this: North American blacks, for whatever reasons, are the most aggressive, boorish assholes imaginable. Talk to an African black, that’s cool. Talk to a South American black, that’s cool. Talk to a North American black…YOU CAN’T. They will not speak or show any respect or even politeness to non-blacks.
I am unperturbed, however, because it is amply clear that Hispanics are going to beat this rude arseholes bloody and end this nonsense.
Hugh:
I have little or no first hand experience - but are you maybe not a little bit extreme ?
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Whenever African Americans/Canadians, and especially Koreans in general, whine about how tough they have it in America/Canada etc… I just tell them about the plight of aboriginal peoples from those places. This often shuts up their whiney corn holes. Of course a lot of times the Social Darwinism BS spews forth from their holes. I’ve met MANY Koreans over the last seven years who have extremely low opinions about people who have darker skin than themselves, so is it really surprising? I know not all Koreans feel this way, but… It does however take two.
The plight of the native population, especially in the U.S., is deplorable. My father, who owns and runs a clothing shop in downtown Phoenix (and always have plenty of ‘lovely’ stories about how he stopped bunch of no-good “껌둥이”s from stealing from his shops) is extremely hostile against what he calls “downtown blacks” - He’s very racist, or at least displaying an extreme case of xenophobia, towards the urban black communities, but for some unknown reason, he’s extremely sympathetic to Hispanic and Native American causes. He always blasts U.S. government for refusing to help out Native Americans and (in a true sense of irony) calls recent waves of anti-immigration legislations in Arizona “racist policies”.
My family is a one confusing mix of stereotypes and anti-stereotypes (My father’s family is a pre-war NK escapee who used to be a huge landlord family, and my mother’s a farming family in Chunra Province (near Bosung, no less…)) :-). Absolutely love it.
Just for the sake of dragging out the racial snitfest….If a person were to take this experimental stroll through a certain ethnic neighborhood,there’d likely be (mostly) two types there, those that didn’t notice or care about you, and those that just had to confront you. Which ones are you going to remember and talk about later?
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Since this most recent comment posted successfully i’ll attempt to summarize the one that i posted yesterday that never showed.
I grew up in a VERY multicultural suburb of about 60,000 in central texas with no real crime to speak of, and a few of our gas station/corner store owners were ethnic koreans who seem to be fairly recent immigrants. All I have is anecdotal evidence, but here at “the hole” usually that suffices to prove a point. A black person can walk in there wearing a suit and tie, being as polite as humanly possible, and most times they’ll get their change thrown at them, and hear guem-deng-ee muttered while they’re shopping. It’s rude, and as far as I know, it’s causeless. After living in korea for a year, and learning about Confucian values, it makes a lot more sense, you know, uri-minjeok being superior to the rest of the world and all. Why wouldn’t they throw my change at me?
That being said, my town isn’t the ghetto, so no violence has ever broken out, just a little yelling, but i could imagine more ignorant/poor people with bigger chips on their shoulders could escalate treatment like that into a real cycle of problems.
Just my two cents
-Alex
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#37
“It’s rude, and as far as I know, it’s causeless.”
I agree with you, but…
“…uri-minjeok being superior to the rest of the world and all.”
this is an assertion of their “determination (to outperform the others),” not that of superiority or something.
My father absolutely hated blacks, to be honest. My mother seemed indifferent. Me? I’d been beaten bloody by a gang of blacks when I was a kid. My brother had a glass bottle smashed over his head for his sports jacket. I’ve been spit with slurs and ching-chonged out from totally random black people on the streets. (And, boy, who hasn’t? Though truth is I can ascribe similar anecdotes to whites and just about every ethnic group in America- including some Asian, oddly enough.) Yet I’ve never been inclined to respond in kind or give in to racism be it by principle or behavior. Some of the coolest, most dignified friends I’ve ever had were blacks. More importantly, I despise people who can’t get their heads out of racial constructs, who can’t think about any individuals without the agenda of confirming negative generalizations or adding to them.
I hope this Pearson event doesn’t lead to more “ching chongs” or “kamdoongi” behind the eye, in spoken word, or worse.
I’m with you all the way abcdefg, stereotyping doesn’t help anyone. I just felt it worth mentioning that it’s not a one way street of aggression, it’s not like black people just hate foriegners, why look at borat! (joking, kinda) I think it just has to do with the fact black people and koreans are similar, in that they’re both kinda shitty to strangers before you get to their warm-gooey centers. I blame Japan… or America.
-Alex
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#43 When you figure out what a “racist” is, continue your education by learning what a Mudshark is. Also look up sarcasm, irony, and humor while you are at it.
The dead-enders that I speak of could be any color or creed. I have met whitey who spoke in ebonics, it does not matter, it’s an attitude.
Did it really matter what color the guy was who broke the bottle over your head? Get real, recognizing differences dose not a racist make.
I think I was being sarcastic and ironic in my comment too! I’m not so out of the loop that I can’t understand the cool hipsters like yourself who think it’s funny and not embarassing to talk about lips flopping in the air through a highway.
“Did it really matter what color the guy was who broke the bottle over your head? ”
Of course not. But that’s the point I was making.
Hey, I covered my ass on that one; I thought it was in bad taste. The wetsuit line I left hanging though.
Oh, but in so many places they are.
Tijuana, Saipan, etc.
I am not really a fan of racial mudslinging…in any direction.
*I’m dying to hear this answer*
By whom?
#39 “…uri-minjeok”
this is an assertion of their “determination (to outperform the others),” not that of superiority or something.
‘uri-minjeok’, as I understand the term, is an Asia-wide theme, at least in the Confucian Asian cultures. In Japanese it is ‘Our people/nation’ , and in China the same (Han Chinese). And I think the terms are meant to express both superiority and determination to outperform. Especially in light of the fact that they were coined centuries ago.
“uri-minjeok”
To a humble German like me this concept has always sounded like “Deutsches Volk” or “Nordische Rasse” (of both of which I have luckily never been part, neither ethnically nor psychologically).
An eerie reminder of times gone by…
Black people in black neighborhoods don’t harrass me because I’m white. There are just some dumb black people in black neighborhoods. Just like there are dumb white people who attack black people in white neighborhoods. Just because I live in that white neighborhood doesn’t mean I hate blacks.
You’re not going to find any black men over forty outside attacking white guys who walk through their “hood”. This is childish bullshit, just some angry young assholes making trouble without reason.
“I think it just has to do with the fact black people and koreans are similar, in that they’re both kinda shitty to strangers before you get to their warm-gooey centers. I blame Japan… or America.”
Maybe there’s something about learning the English language that makes people, the bad people.
“A black person can walk in there wearing a suit and tie, being as polite as humanly possible, and most times they’ll get their change thrown at them, and hear guem-deng-ee muttered while they’re shopping. ”
Are you black? How do you know this perpetuating stereotype is the real norm? Have you ever been a business owner in tough black neighborhoods where crime is extremely high? How do you know those rude bastard leeches are Korean merchants, and not Chinese or Vietnamese? Why aren’t white neighborhoods have nearly the same degree of problems as the black neighborhoods have against Korean Americans?
Fantasy, I’m sure you’ve already listened to Metropoltician’s “Being Black in Korea” Podcast.
I just listened to this yesterday and found the opinions (including the comment section) interesting. Just in case anyone missed it, here it is. (note: You may need have Quicktime installed on you PC, and there’s a rap song that goes on for a minute in the beginning).
http://www.metropoliticking.co.....orea_2.mp3
CM:
Yes, I have listened to that really good podcast, but so should the others…
Thanks a lot for the link, anyway !
#49:
For example, if you own a grocery, you don’t manufacture all those products, you retail goods of larger corporations. Add paying for your store’s lease every month, and you have pretty much no choice but to overcharge for your goods to make profit.
Yes, it’s unfortunate that they are overcharging in some poverty-stricken neighborhoods, but hey, you gotta do what you gotta do to survive no?
#54
Coincidentally CM, yes, I am a black person. I could have sworn I mentioned it somewhere in this thread. Furthermore, I don’t think it matters that I’ve never been a Korean store owner in a rough black neighborhood, because I was talking about my experience as a customer in a nice, fuzzy suburban neighborhood that’s, I dunno… 30% black. Also, i know they’re Korean because they spoke Korean to each other, and I know what Korean sounds like. My anecdote was simply to point out that not all antipathy and terrible customer service is a direct result of being robbed by a heeeeevil negro. I guess it’s just the older generation, because all the korean dudes and dudettes in my highschool were great to hang around but walking into a korean corner store was kinda like taking a time machine to the 50’s… but not the cool parts. They were just awfully rude and the black people in my town just kinda avoid buying anything there.
By the way, i’m glad you asked “Why aren’t white neighborhoods have nearly the same degree of problems as the black neighborhoods have against Korean Americans?” I’d been thinking about it, and it my thought is this. Koreans have the whole thing where everyone is above or below somebody, and judging from my lovely experience in korea, they put the darker skinned portions of humanity in the “below them” category. For some absolutely inexplicable reason (sarcasm intended) black people are very sensitive about this sort of treatment. It’s as if they feel some collective wound over being designated as being lower than other people due to their skin color. I’ll try to research any possible historical roots to this phenomenon and get back to you once I do.
Anyways, like i was saying in the comment you didn’t totally read. Po’ folks of any stripe are more likely to physically hurt you when angry at you than ones that are better off. So, i can see how a situation that just causes dirty looks in my middle-class ‘burb could cause serious problems elsewhere.
-Alex
I am just suprised that this discussion has turned into a race issue evaluation as much as it has. We don’t know if Pearson is suing the Chungs because they are Korean and we don’t know if the Chungs treated Pearson any differently because he was Black. My guess is that because Pearson was educated and a former lawyer, they probably didn’t try to needlessly provoke him. The Korean newspapers here in America are rife with stories of Koreans getting sued by crafty lawyer types.
Anyways, as a resident of Los Angeles, the epicenter of the largest race riots in American History in 1992, I can say that things have changed quite a bit. The Korean American community in LA is more mature (i.e. been around longer) then communities in D.C., Chicago, Atlanta, whatever. They have realized, just like the Jews, that it’s damn tough doing business in the inner city, especially in a community that feels frustrated at being economically disinfranchized. After the riots, a lot of of KA’s just sold their businesses to other immigrants such as the Arabs and other Middle Easterners, and we don’t hear as many stories of Black / Korean tensions in this area because we just simply moved away from them. However, as the Arabs are finding out, just as the Jews and Koreans did, it’s hard doing business in black neighborhoods.
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#59:
Like you, while I was commenting on this topic, I was writing mostly based on my studies on Black-Korean conflicts from the early 90s. I have read about the changes in LA, and I have also seen first hand changes in New York City (my home) where storeowners have become more personal and friendlier to their customers to avoid another similar tragedy such as the LA Riots. However, in my opinion, there is still a general mistrust and lack of respect between the two races.
And as for your surprise about this turning into a race issue, just read the main article. The main article suggests it was a race issue so that’s what the commentors have been discussing. Duh.
At work, I’d light my cigarette using the toaster in the kitchen because I can’t find my Bic. Black guy says, that’s the most ghetto-ass thing I’ve seen a chink do. He likes to sing Earth Wind and Fire and shake his ass. I’d tell him, this aint no Soul Train here and he should shake his black ass back to work. He’d ask to borrow a 10. I’m broke.
As you can see, Korean-Black relations in America have evolved somewhat since the early 90s.
#60.
Yes I did read the article and long before Robert had even posted it. I was referring to the issue at hand independent of Fisher’s article.
Alex -
But that can’t be! Only Koreans are capable of feeling han!
The skin color hierarchy thing in Korea is also a pan-Asia theme. I’ve heard condescending remarks about nationals with darker skin in Korea, Thailand, China, Vietnam, India, Taiwan, and even here where I am in the UAE (which is lumped together with Asian teams in sporting events). In Japan in the mid-90’s, a subculture of young people used to flock to the beaches and get really really tanned, and I thought that a move in the right direction (though probably not such a great idea for health reasons). My wife’s family in Korea refers to her jokingly as “the starving Indonesian” when she returns. It really is a bullshit issue held over from 19th century attitudes, and, for me, symbolized by the ubiquitous parosol.
#61
The scene you just described is beautiful. If I weren’t such a stone cold guy, I’d be choking back tears.
#63
My friend Aaron (who’s mother is korean) and I always joke that jeong and han are kinda like soul and the blues, but without all the awesome music.
That’s not quite fair… pansori kicks ass.
Slightly related and I think worth mentioning.
My friend Camel linked me to Louis Theroux’s Weird Weekend series. I’m sure many of you already know of him, but if you don’t I’m sure you’ll enjoy checking it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....mp;search=
BREAKING NEWS: The Chungs won the case and Pearson was ordered to pay their court costs:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....GnsEPMWM0F
correction: Pearson was ordered to pay court costs. A motion for Pearson to pay the Chungs’ legal fees will be considered later.
Good news!
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