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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Marry a North Korean Woman&#8217; banners draw public ire</title>
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		<title>By: garrystanley323@yaho</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/06/19/marry-a-north-korean-woman-banners-draw-public-ire/#comment-185591</link>
		<dc:creator>garrystanley323@yaho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to have a N.K. wife</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to have a N.K. wife</p>
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		<title>By: Vietnamese Brides For Korean Brothers &#124; East Windup Chronicle</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/06/19/marry-a-north-korean-woman-banners-draw-public-ire/#comment-123631</link>
		<dc:creator>Vietnamese Brides For Korean Brothers &#124; East Windup Chronicle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cropping up. There are even four or five agencies, that for twice the price of a normal arrangement will introduce spouses from North Korea. Surely this will eventually grow to overtake the Vietnamese [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cropping up. There are even four or five agencies, that for twice the price of a normal arrangement will introduce spouses from North Korea. Surely this will eventually grow to overtake the Vietnamese [...]</p>
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		<title>By: peninsular aborigine</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/06/19/marry-a-north-korean-woman-banners-draw-public-ire/#comment-90211</link>
		<dc:creator>peninsular aborigine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Egocentric and nothing to say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Egocentric and nothing to say?</p>
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		<title>By: The Metropolitician</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/06/19/marry-a-north-korean-woman-banners-draw-public-ire/#comment-90203</link>
		<dc:creator>The Metropolitician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, no one was making specific predictions about a gender-stratified North Korean underclass, one that will probably be enabled by an easier visa process (or special visa) for Nork women) and which will probably allow Nork men into the country on work-specific visas only, given that full German-style reunification seems unlikely. 

Given that situation, and the stigma/stereotype that would come attached with being NK male vs. female, I think being Nork male vs. Nork female is going to be very different, as opposed to just the general assumption that yes, Norks in South Korea will likely experience some discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, no one was making specific predictions about a gender-stratified North Korean underclass, one that will probably be enabled by an easier visa process (or special visa) for Nork women) and which will probably allow Nork men into the country on work-specific visas only, given that full German-style reunification seems unlikely. </p>
<p>Given that situation, and the stigma/stereotype that would come attached with being NK male vs. female, I think being Nork male vs. Nork female is going to be very different, as opposed to just the general assumption that yes, Norks in South Korea will likely experience some discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: seouldout</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/06/19/marry-a-north-korean-woman-banners-draw-public-ire/#comment-89752</link>
		<dc:creator>seouldout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely amazing no one commented on it before 1997.  Tarot card, crystal ball, or tea leaves? Could you move #24 up to #1 ;)

Just taking the piss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely amazing no one commented on it before 1997.  Tarot card, crystal ball, or tea leaves? Could you move #24 up to #1 <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Just taking the piss.</p>
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		<title>By: The Metropolitician</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/06/19/marry-a-north-korean-woman-banners-draw-public-ire/#comment-89720</link>
		<dc:creator>The Metropolitician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to be clear, yes, people were talking about things in certain ways in the 90's, and I first wrote it up in an academic paper and advocated the notion when I came out to Korea in 1997, yet remember many Korean folks pooh-poohing the idea and saying that it was too early to make such "pessimistic" claims – Koreans would never discriminate against other Koreans. 

Then I would point out regionalism and other obvious forms of discrimination, and people would move on and change the subject. After around 1998, I found people I talked to not dismissing the notion of a clear, gendered social hierarchy so quickly anymore. 

I posted about it in 2006, which is the earliest I can refer to anything I've publicly written about it. And now, we have the first signs that this is actually going down that road. 

Hence, the post, link, and smug bit of self-satisfaction at what is, however, an unfortunate-but-predictable turn of events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be clear, yes, people were talking about things in certain ways in the 90&#8217;s, and I first wrote it up in an academic paper and advocated the notion when I came out to Korea in 1997, yet remember many Korean folks pooh-poohing the idea and saying that it was too early to make such &#8220;pessimistic&#8221; claims – Koreans would never discriminate against other Koreans. </p>
<p>Then I would point out regionalism and other obvious forms of discrimination, and people would move on and change the subject. After around 1998, I found people I talked to not dismissing the notion of a clear, gendered social hierarchy so quickly anymore. </p>
<p>I posted about it in 2006, which is the earliest I can refer to anything I&#8217;ve publicly written about it. And now, we have the first signs that this is actually going down that road. </p>
<p>Hence, the post, link, and smug bit of self-satisfaction at what is, however, an unfortunate-but-predictable turn of events.</p>
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		<title>By: gbnhj</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/06/19/marry-a-north-korean-woman-banners-draw-public-ire/#comment-89338</link>
		<dc:creator>gbnhj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;'Marry a North Korean woman! Confirmed identity. Compare them with foreign women...' (from the advertisement)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When and how can customers inspect the product - in this case, a human female offered by brokerage for marriage - in order to provide a firm basis for comparison? May the product be use-tested? How is their identity confirmed?

Indeed, where &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; the product? Are customers actually being afforded the opportunity to compare?

And, regarding the old 남남북녀 saw, I'd always heard that it was a maxim about the optimal relationship. Another such maxim holds that personal relationships are best when the woman is four years younger than the man.

However, I've always heard of both as being simply old wisdoms. These days, such proverbs regarding marriage are suggestions, not directives.

Note: abcdefg can feel free to jump in here and explain the proper use of 'maxim', 'proverb' and 'old wisdom', so that these terms are not misused in future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8216;Marry a North Korean woman! Confirmed identity. Compare them with foreign women&#8230;&#8217; (from the advertisement)</p></blockquote>
<p>When and how can customers inspect the product - in this case, a human female offered by brokerage for marriage - in order to provide a firm basis for comparison? May the product be use-tested? How is their identity confirmed?</p>
<p>Indeed, where <i>is</i> the product? Are customers actually being afforded the opportunity to compare?</p>
<p>And, regarding the old 남남북녀 saw, I&#8217;d always heard that it was a maxim about the optimal relationship. Another such maxim holds that personal relationships are best when the woman is four years younger than the man.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;ve always heard of both as being simply old wisdoms. These days, such proverbs regarding marriage are suggestions, not directives.</p>
<p>Note: abcdefg can feel free to jump in here and explain the proper use of &#8216;maxim&#8217;, &#8216;proverb&#8217; and &#8216;old wisdom&#8217;, so that these terms are not misused in future.</p>
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		<title>By: cmm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/06/19/marry-a-north-korean-woman-banners-draw-public-ire/#comment-89299</link>
		<dc:creator>cmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so I guess under a reunification scenario, on the bright side for the SE Asia marriage brokers, business will be booming like never before...north of the 38th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so I guess under a reunification scenario, on the bright side for the SE Asia marriage brokers, business will be booming like never before&#8230;north of the 38th.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/06/19/marry-a-north-korean-woman-banners-draw-public-ire/#comment-89283</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was told N.K. women were more submissive than their uppity S.K. counterparts, and so more desirable for S.K. men. One time during lunch a guy in my office actually described them as "pure Koreans," which almost caused me to spit the rice out of my mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was told N.K. women were more submissive than their uppity S.K. counterparts, and so more desirable for S.K. men. One time during lunch a guy in my office actually described them as &#8220;pure Koreans,&#8221; which almost caused me to spit the rice out of my mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/06/19/marry-a-north-korean-woman-banners-draw-public-ire/#comment-89281</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see from Richardson's post #11 that I'm not the only waeguk already clued in on this modern twist on 남남북녀.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see from Richardson&#8217;s post #11 that I&#8217;m not the only waeguk already clued in on this modern twist on 남남북녀.</p>
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