Difference being, most journeymen never sign $65 million contracts.
While all the debate was centered on how “Americanized” Cho Seung Hui was, one could make a solid argument that Park Chan Ho has made the full transition and now needs only the blue passport to make his Americanization official.
He parlayed several decent but unspectacular seasons in LA (with 2000-2001 being his only solid years) into a monster $65 million free-agent contract with Texas in 2002. After which he proceeded to suck copious amounts of horse cock and was labeled an overpaid bust.
And that career arc (work your ass off with moderate success, leverage that moderate success in a weak free-agent market into a massive contract, then blow ass and mysteriously suffer numerous injuries while collecting huge paychecks) is one favored by many lazy-ass American athletes.
Hats off to you Chan Ho. Fleecing whitey and then suddenly losing your work ethic, fastball, and tolerance for pain once you’ve locked up guaranteed money is as American as apple pie. Can’t learn that in Korea!
wjk, you’re sad and predictable. Park hasn’t had a decent year since 2001. He had a good run with the Dodgers, and has been shit-awful since. Those are facts. And your response to those facts are to point to Dreifort and Mantei and say “They suck worse, and that means Park and BK suck less!” Who the fuck cares about Dreifort or Mantei and who claimed they were great? It’s the same deflection routine that Netizen bluejives…sorry, Netizen Kim, patented.
Hey, here’s an apple. Park’s wins and ERA’s in the 6 years before the big contract:
5 W / 3.64
14 W / 3.68
15 W / 3.71
13 W / 5.23
18 W / 3.27
15 W / 3.50
And here’s another apple. Park’s wins and ERA’s in the 6 years after the big contract:
9 W / 5.75
1 W / 7.58
4 W / 5.46
8 W / 5.66
4 W / 5.91
12 W / 5.74
There’s apples for apples. And you pulling up some random assholes’s stats that are worse only means Park or BK managed to outperform someone else that also sucks ass. Congratulations.
Park had several good years in LA and has been a pile of shit since. He’s also currently a pile of shit, which is why the Mets released him and he has to toil in AAA. BK had one good year in Arizona and has been an even worse pile of shit in the 6 years since. Those are facts, regardless of how many other apples you can find that are worse. Trust me wjk, you admitting that Park and BK currently blow won’t make your head explode nor revoke your membership in the Korean clan. It is possible to call a spade a spade. Even a Korean spade.
2 people in the same organization, starting off with roughly the same talent, skills, and expectations, and the ball club chooses one over the other.
That, THAT is what’s being compared.
This is a post about Park Chan Ho. That is what’s being discussed. Given his statistics, he’s been a pile of shit after he left LA. You, in your infinite stupidity, brought Dreifort and Mantei into the discussion to show 2 other pitchers that are also piles of shit. WHO THE FUCK CARES?
So Park and BK are piles of shit. Dreifort and Mantei are piles of shit with whipped cream on top. Wooop de fucking do! I can find 2 assholes worse than Dreifort and Mantei as well. Again, WHO THE FUCK CARES?
This is like explaining physics to a hamster. I’m sure when wjk’s mom tells him to clean up his room, he responds by saying Darren Dreifort’s room is messier.
Every morning and every evening wjk looks in the bathroom mirror and recites his daily affirmation, “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!”
That Hideo Nomo. He’s washed up. Do you see him pitching for anyone in the major leagues? Didn’t think so. Quitter!!! He couldn’t hold Chan-ho’s jockstrap.
And that Sadaharu Oh. All-time Japanese home run leader? Psshaw! Put him in the box and let Chan-ho pitch to him. Can you say one-two-three strikes, you’re out? Grab some pine, has been.
And that Masumi Kuwata, he’s a dinosaur, he’s all washed up…oh, he’s only pitched one game in the majors, uhh…well, Darren Dreifort! Darren Dreifort! Darren Dreifort!!!!
You know what amuses me with the way this conversation is going? One of these days in the MLB, a Korean pitcher will be caught by a Japanese catcher. Imagine the number of shake-offs that will produce.
i think blueballs doesn’t even understand what I wrote.
I might as well have started off with Jason Giambi vs Ben Grieve.
You know, total odd ball comparisons would be Chan Ho Park vs Francisco Cordova or something like that.
All I’m saying is Chan Ho Park isn’t as bad as you claim to be.
Look, he has 100 wins and more than 10 years of experience. No Korean in the near future even has an asswipe shot at breaking that record.
Byung Hyun Kim is a freak of his genre, and he’s still pretty good as hell. He won’t touch Chan Ho’s record, either, because Kim served too much of his early years saving games. And he was hella good at it.
Nomo is objectively much better than Park overall. He’s got a lot of No-No’s, more wins, more everything, and he successfully had his Resurrection at Boston.
According to blueball’s logic, i would be off if I was comparing Chan Ho Park to Shane Reynolds.
Shane was also considered a very good, reliable, bankable starter during one stretch. Overall, was he shit?
No, Man.
I made my point with Chan Ho Park vs Darren Dreitfort. It’s the best apples to apples to comparison for him on the planet.
Same line for Kim and Mantei. Mantei is shit? Oh, really? He was fantastically popular for fantasybaseball people when he was on and throwing 97mph-100mph, saving a ton of games and even winning a World Series with the Marlins.
Blueballs, shove it back down into your blue balls.
ALL you are is, a G-spot hitter for all who wanted a vent release on things Korean.
That’s right.
You push that button, and it gives an mental orgasm for some people who had something to release off their minds.
And, in your case, it happens to be, saying something blunt and articulate concerning Korea.
However, in this case, my case about Chan Ho and Darren is not off line, but more logical and sensical than yours.
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I guess that really depends on how you spell “league.”
Goddammnit! Might as well just give up.
i believe the term for him, if he spends any time there, would be “journeyman”.
Never mind the bollocky style question. The vendors at Dongdaemun all ask, “How will this effect sales of counterfeit Mets jerseys?”
Love the spelling of “Goddamnit” too.
Don’t a lot of pitchers get rotated through the minors when they’re in a slump? MJW is right, Park is a “journeyman”pitcher.
Difference being, most journeymen never sign $65 million contracts.
While all the debate was centered on how “Americanized” Cho Seung Hui was, one could make a solid argument that Park Chan Ho has made the full transition and now needs only the blue passport to make his Americanization official.
He parlayed several decent but unspectacular seasons in LA (with 2000-2001 being his only solid years) into a monster $65 million free-agent contract with Texas in 2002. After which he proceeded to suck copious amounts of horse cock and was labeled an overpaid bust.
And that career arc (work your ass off with moderate success, leverage that moderate success in a weak free-agent market into a massive contract, then blow ass and mysteriously suffer numerous injuries while collecting huge paychecks) is one favored by many lazy-ass American athletes.
Hats off to you Chan Ho. Fleecing whitey and then suddenly losing your work ethic, fastball, and tolerance for pain once you’ve locked up guaranteed money is as American as apple pie. Can’t learn that in Korea!
Dram_man — now, if only you could correct that last “league,” as in “major leaguer“…
he ain’t finished yet.
All pitchers in his stage of life either adjust or fade away.
Only the great make the adjustments and stay.
Our very own Jackie Robinson will make the adjustment.
That’s a prediction.
Houston’s gonna call him up to the Big Leagues after a couple starts, unless he bombs in AAA.
blueballs, compare apples to apples.
Chan Ho Park isn’t so bad.
If you want to compare, compare apples to apples.
Chan Ho Park vs Darren Dreifort.
One still plays.
Wanna play again?
Ok, apples to apples.
Byung Hyun Kim vs Matt Mantei.
One still plays.
wjk, you’re sad and predictable. Park hasn’t had a decent year since 2001. He had a good run with the Dodgers, and has been shit-awful since. Those are facts. And your response to those facts are to point to Dreifort and Mantei and say “They suck worse, and that means Park and BK suck less!” Who the fuck cares about Dreifort or Mantei and who claimed they were great? It’s the same deflection routine that Netizen bluejives…sorry, Netizen Kim, patented.
Hey, here’s an apple. Park’s wins and ERA’s in the 6 years before the big contract:
5 W / 3.64
14 W / 3.68
15 W / 3.71
13 W / 5.23
18 W / 3.27
15 W / 3.50
And here’s another apple. Park’s wins and ERA’s in the 6 years after the big contract:
9 W / 5.75
1 W / 7.58
4 W / 5.46
8 W / 5.66
4 W / 5.91
12 W / 5.74
There’s apples for apples. And you pulling up some random assholes’s stats that are worse only means Park or BK managed to outperform someone else that also sucks ass. Congratulations.
Park had several good years in LA and has been a pile of shit since. He’s also currently a pile of shit, which is why the Mets released him and he has to toil in AAA. BK had one good year in Arizona and has been an even worse pile of shit in the 6 years since. Those are facts, regardless of how many other apples you can find that are worse. Trust me wjk, you admitting that Park and BK currently blow won’t make your head explode nor revoke your membership in the Korean clan. It is possible to call a spade a spade. Even a Korean spade.
Bluntly put blueballs, but true.
Dreifort was a real shame, though.
Don’t look now, but the Mariners are nine games over .500.
And I, for one, am glad that Texas gave Park all that money to suck ass. Rangers suck! hahahaha
i don’t always agree with blueballs but you can’t really argue with what he wrote above.
yes! the mariners are on a roll! five games in a row won with the final at-bat.
I can. I can argue against blueballs.
Am I really comparing them to random assholes?
Is that right, blueballs?
Nope. Not at all.
2 people in the same organization, starting off with roughly the same talent, skills, and expectations, and the ball club chooses one over the other.
That, THAT is what’s being compared.
Let’s go again.
Do you know why Oakland A’s GM is able to pull it off every year with a winning %?
Case in point.
Apples to Apples.
Jason Giambi. Ben Greive.
Although, Giambi walked out of there to get Mr. Burn’s money. Err, Mr. Steinbrenner’s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDJjyoYLxAA
Just like the New York Highlanders.
Dram might be wondering about how we should refer to Park now that he’s headed for the minors, but I just wonder what a ‘quesiton’ is.
(ducks for cover under desk)
Oh my. Comparing Chan Ho Park to the great Jackie Robinson!
Astros Sign Chan Ho Park:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....id=2902277
This is a post about Park Chan Ho. That is what’s being discussed. Given his statistics, he’s been a pile of shit after he left LA. You, in your infinite stupidity, brought Dreifort and Mantei into the discussion to show 2 other pitchers that are also piles of shit. WHO THE FUCK CARES?
So Park and BK are piles of shit. Dreifort and Mantei are piles of shit with whipped cream on top. Wooop de fucking do! I can find 2 assholes worse than Dreifort and Mantei as well. Again, WHO THE FUCK CARES?
This is like explaining physics to a hamster. I’m sure when wjk’s mom tells him to clean up his room, he responds by saying Darren Dreifort’s room is messier.
“I can. I can argue against blueballs.”
Every morning and every evening wjk looks in the bathroom mirror and recites his daily affirmation, “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!”
“This is like explaining physics to a hamster.” LMFAO
I’m surprised WJK hasn’t mentioned Japan once in this thread, he’s slipping.
I’ll do it!
That Hideo Nomo. He’s washed up. Do you see him pitching for anyone in the major leagues? Didn’t think so. Quitter!!! He couldn’t hold Chan-ho’s jockstrap.
And that Sadaharu Oh. All-time Japanese home run leader? Psshaw! Put him in the box and let Chan-ho pitch to him. Can you say one-two-three strikes, you’re out? Grab some pine, has been.
Ganbatte!
And that Masumi Kuwata, he’s a dinosaur, he’s all washed up…oh, he’s only pitched one game in the majors, uhh…well, Darren Dreifort! Darren Dreifort! Darren Dreifort!!!!
You know what amuses me with the way this conversation is going? One of these days in the MLB, a Korean pitcher will be caught by a Japanese catcher. Imagine the number of shake-offs that will produce.
uh…the seattle mariners. cha seung baek is in the starting rotation while the starting catcher is kenji johjima.
Sorry I am an Angels fan, I don’t follow minor league teams so closely.
Ooooooooh! ‘Dem fightin’ words!
Oooooooh! at least he spelled “league” correctly this time. hopefully, he’s amused now.
i think blueballs doesn’t even understand what I wrote.
I might as well have started off with Jason Giambi vs Ben Grieve.
You know, total odd ball comparisons would be Chan Ho Park vs Francisco Cordova or something like that.
All I’m saying is Chan Ho Park isn’t as bad as you claim to be.
Look, he has 100 wins and more than 10 years of experience. No Korean in the near future even has an asswipe shot at breaking that record.
Byung Hyun Kim is a freak of his genre, and he’s still pretty good as hell. He won’t touch Chan Ho’s record, either, because Kim served too much of his early years saving games. And he was hella good at it.
Nomo is objectively much better than Park overall. He’s got a lot of No-No’s, more wins, more everything, and he successfully had his Resurrection at Boston.
According to blueball’s logic, i would be off if I was comparing Chan Ho Park to Shane Reynolds.
Shane was also considered a very good, reliable, bankable starter during one stretch. Overall, was he shit?
No, Man.
I made my point with Chan Ho Park vs Darren Dreitfort. It’s the best apples to apples to comparison for him on the planet.
Same line for Kim and Mantei. Mantei is shit? Oh, really? He was fantastically popular for fantasybaseball people when he was on and throwing 97mph-100mph, saving a ton of games and even winning a World Series with the Marlins.
Blueballs, shove it back down into your blue balls.
ALL you are is, a G-spot hitter for all who wanted a vent release on things Korean.
That’s right.
You push that button, and it gives an mental orgasm for some people who had something to release off their minds.
And, in your case, it happens to be, saying something blunt and articulate concerning Korea.
However, in this case, my case about Chan Ho and Darren is not off line, but more logical and sensical than yours.
A “G-Spot hitter”…
There’s gotta be room on a major league roster for someone like that.