Looking for his side of the story (someone has to do it, after all), I emailed the Australian English teacher whose purported email was recently printed in the Chosun Ilbo. Of course, in the age of the Internet, it’s hard to know whether people are who they say they are, but this is the response I got:
(Email 1)
The whole thing was extremely unfair. I was just the victim of a vindictive, venegeful Korean woman. I would sue, but this is Korea. Please also mention her name, ***, and the fact that she has slept with every man in Itaewon. She was cheating on me, not the other way round. She loves hurting men. I regret ever meeting her. Your help would be appreciated.(Email 2)
As this whole thing is so blatantly unfair, make sure you mention her name,***, mine was exsposed, why shouldn’t hers. And the sneakly, manipulative nature of the girl. You have no idea how cruel she is. She’s evil. I know, I lived with her for 3 months. She loves hurting men, I could never work out why. She even had an ex canadian boyfriend put in jail for hash. She knew he had some in his appartment and when he cheated on her, she called the police. This is not a nice girl we’re talking about. Just let the truth be known for justice’s sake.
Well, there you have it — his side of the story. True or not, I have no idea.
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Anyone want to rethink the “bogus e-mail” argument?
Mr. Marmot, did you ask him if he sent the e-mail in question?
Here was the email I sent:
In fairness, I should point out that the Chosun reporter might have asked him for his side of the story, but he didn’t respond, or it didn’t get printed. I can’t really speculate on how the reporter, Son Jin-seok, wrote the piece. Of course, we could always ask — just shoot an email to aura@chosun.com.
I can believe him… such deep-psycho man-hater viscious-slut girls exist in every big city in the world, and a few smaller towns… it’s a type. Some truly-evil rampaging-slut dudes, too, of course.
The style of the two e-mails Robert just posted is markedly different from that of the e-mail that the Chosun printed. However, he could have been attempting to write in Konglish then to better communicate with the recipient.
The larger issue is why Korea’s version of the NYT can get away with this race-baiting and irresponsible journalism without any Koreans calling them on it.
I mean, think about it.
Let’s say that a Korean-American male living in New York dated a Jewish girl he’d met in Hebrew class for awhile. She eventually dumps him because her parents disapprove of the relationship and he goes nuts, sending him threatening e-mails. She then sends a reporter one of his e-mails.
Wouldn’t the reporter just write her off as a crackpot?
Would the NYT print the e-mail, with a headline along the lines of “Nice JAP threatened by Yellow fellow!”, as the Korean press did?
Of course not.
Sanshinseon, “deep-psycho man-hater viscious-slut girls”?
Yeah, I dated her too.
Well, he was burned, he sounds like a young guy (I hope) and this too shall pass. No reason to turn into a truly-evil rampaging-slut dude over it.
@ #3
Chosun Ilbo is not Korea’s NYT at all. It’s the Fox News in Korea. The newspaper had gotten its influence in South Korea by supporting military governments in 1980s and has been selling sensationalism and “national security commercialism.” There are numerous Chosun Ilbo haters in Korea including the South Korean President Roh himself.
the fox news of korea
what a moron you are
since fox has a conservative view point its some lunatic military controlled media outlet
all liberals are wacks
i really cant imagine any national media outlet in the states covering some lovers quarrel over some emails
its really pathetic that korea has to run stories on things like this
slow news day
I’d still say it’s closer to the NYT, a supporter of big and bigger governments, the UN and the idea of international governmental institutions (though not a supporter of military governments, neither is Fox, which if anything has at least somewhat of a libertarian streak), a seller of sensationalism and “global warming commercialism.” And just as with Roh and the Chosun Ilbo, Bush probably hates the NYT.
Well, the guy didn’t deny the email - and since Mr Marmot specifically asked him whether he was the author, that tells me he did it.
Whether the girl is vindictive or not - there’s no excuse for sending someone an email claiming to have HIV.
Unfair? You got what you deserved, Mr ***. Now fuck off back to Wagga Wagga.
PS here’s his mug shot:
http://englishspectrum.com/job.....#038;gid=1
The Chosun Ilbo is the newspaper of record in Korea and has been for some time.
If you are looking for a comparison to “Fox News”, you’d be better off looking at the Hankyoreh or one of the sports dailies.
Why is this even news? (Not criticizing you Robert for posting it, but the Korean media for making it news; you’re just doing your duty to share it with the rest of us.)
I mean, if some Korean girl had trouble with her relationship with a Korean man, would she call the paper and tell them his name, and then the paper run a story on it? Of course not. Does the Korean media run stories about every Korean person who has AIDS? Certainly no.
The only reason this is even considered news is because it’s the foreign boggy man. Only shows how pathetic the Korean media and the national psyche towards all things foreign being the worst and all things domestic being the best if you ask me. But then again, no one asked me
Dogbert, I’d disagree with that.
Fox and the Hanky are polar opposites. Both are trash, but they both represent completely different standpoints: the Hanky is left-wing pro-Nork, anti-U.S, fox is right-wing, pro-U.S anti commie or anything else “socialist” or like-minded.
I agree with the other sentiments too: what the fuck is a national newspaper delving into petty personal disputes for? Its the Korean man’s obsession and terror of white men sleeping with korean girls that’s the running this story’s engine.
I keep forgetting we’ve entered the age of literalism.
Of course, I was not making a point-by-point comparison — I was speaking instead to the journalistic integrity, or lack of such integrity, that both share.
Fox and Chosun Ilbo are right-wing, conservative media. Fox has gotten more influence for its national security propaganda like Chosun Ilbo did under the authoritative regime in South Korea. National security propaganda sells. Chosun Ilbo has a long history, but many South Koreans, though not the majority, hate Chosun Ilbo for its support for Japan during the Japanese colonization and the military governments in 1980s, although it has the biggest market share among the South Korean newspapers.
Chosun Ilbo supported the Bush Administration and its hardline policy against NK because it didn’t like the “sunshine policy” of the Clinton and Kim Dae Jung Administrations for NK.
hoju-saram, you’re right that Fox and the Hankyoreh are opposites, but the Hankyoreh is not trash. Journalists protested against the old military governments set up the company. They are liberal, but are neither pro-North Korea nor anti-US. They are pro-(peaceful) unification of Koreas and just critical of George W. Bush like the most other news media in the world. They supported Bill Clinton.
Chosun Ilbo regards itself as the biggest power in South Korea as its columnist Kim Dae Jung (this guy happens to have the same name with the former South Korea President Kim Dae Jung) and does not ask a moral question unlike NYT and the Hankyoreh do.
The Hankyoreh _is_ irresponsible trash.
Or are racist editorial cartoons responsible journalism now?
Two free beers for anyone who can find me a Hankyoreh editorial calling for US troop withdraw.
Here’s a Hankyoreh editorial cartoon supporting the U.S. military presence in Korea:
http://news.naver.com/hotissue.....on_id2=307
dogbertt, how is that cartoon racist?
And here for your reading enjoyment, dogbert, is a typical case of Hankyoreh lack of support for U.S. military presence in Korea:
Official translation:
My point here is only this: all Korea’s mainstream papers (and Hankyoreh is a mainstream paper for never calling for US troop withdraw) have been good, bad, racist, fair, unfair, ugly, leftist, ultra-right, nationalist, helpful, unhelpful, pro-this, anti-that, etc… however it suits them to be at the time. Accusing the Hankyoreh of being any worse than any of the rest is just exposing one’s own biases. The Chosun has published numerous racist cartoons over the years. Only a leftist should hold Hankyoreh up to higher standards.
You know, even Kim Jong-il has reportedly stated that a U.S. military presence should remain in Korea post-unification.
So I don’t see how one’s position on this particular issue serves as any kind of litmus test.
As far as my opinion of the Hankyoreh, which I have read on and off since 1993, I stand by it and do not accept your statement that opinions other than yours are simply “exposing one’s bias”.
It wasn’t and that was not the cartoon I was referring to.
dogbertt, I don’t understand what you are suggesting. Kim Jong-Il said that he did not object to the presence of the US army in the Korean Peninsula after the unification between Koreas, not that the US army should stay there. Anyway, there is a HUGE difference when Kim Jung-Il said that and when the Hankyoreh emphasizes the importance of the (healthy) relationship between US and South Korea. You have the right not to like the Hankyoreh or its particular cartoon, but you cannot say the Hankyoreh is anti-US because it isn’t.
I thought the topic here was some bitter konglishi-speaking aussie english teacher who may or may not have shite for blood who got exposed as the angry ex-bf that he is by the excellent and timely reporting of the chosun ilbo.
Obviously, the chosun ilbo wins the prize for most ridiculous “journalism” of the week.
So look guys, let’s stop over-analyzing our favorite dailies here and work together and figure out the TRUE mystery of the news story: what is this saucy girl’s name and email address??? Because apparently she really knows how to put out. I’d like to chat with her on MSN. If someone can find her number, that would be great too.
That strikes me as a distinction without a difference.
I’m sorry, but I’m missing the part why you and Oranckay think your observations are somehow more valid than mine.
I maintain that the Hankyoreh shows a consistent anti-foreign bias, which includes the U.S.
It’s fun watching the foreign leftists contorting to defend their left wing rag. Sic semper tyrannis.
I just got another email from the teacher in question. Since he asks me to post it…
I don’t know, this seems like one f***ed up mess.
Well, if I live for another hundred years - maybe I will write about this one too. Just another story of Korean-Western relations.
It is amazing what becomes news-worthy, especially when someone (Korean press), has an axe to grind with someone else (Westerners).
When will these English teachers get it? They spend all day teaching to a people that are virtually incapable of learning English but are not suspicious in the least when they meet Korean girls in Itaewon and other foreigner traps that speak excellent English, and even use male’s slang like “what’s up?”.
Don’t date hos and sh*t like this won’t happen.
@17
Don’t even try guys, he’s translated most of them for the last decade
My two cents:
He’s not nice. She’s not nice. They’re both unstable. He didn’t deserve to have his name printed in the paper. Sensationalist (non) news story. Did I miss anything?
Next!
Iceberg hits it on the head.
My third cent:
I’d like to see the guy wandering around, say, Myeong-dong holding a sign that reads,
“I had sex without a condom with two prostitutes in the Philippines and have yet to get an HIV test…FREE HUGS!!!”
So, is she available?
I propose we, the expat community, take up a collection to send this girl to Scotland to meet this guy.
(HT to Foreign Dispatches)
“I had sex without a condom with two prostitutes in the Philippines and have yet to get an HIV test…FREE HUGS!!!”
Should that not be “I had sex without condom with two prostitutes in Philippines and have yet to get HIV test…FREE HUGS^^”
@36
LOL at that!
So far this relationship seems pretty much the typical Korean storybook courtship. Well, minus a few knock down, drunken street brawls outside the “Hof.” Koreans should be beaming with pride that this guy picked up on their culture so well. I guess they just don’t realize yet that Rain isn’t going to be the only ambassador of Korea spreading Korean culture throughout the world. Heck, if Koreans continue to spread their love, maybe every major city in the world will have women wandering around the streets crying.
So far this relationship seems pretty much the typical Korean storybook courtship…
Fuck you. This is just some bullshit expat nonsense. Leave the rest of Korea out of this.
This whole thing is a sordid mess, but Sanshinseon (#3), were you channelling Tennessee Ernie Ford, whose “Cousin Erni” was a distant cousin who was staying with Lucy and Ricky on I Love Lucy, whose ma told him to stay away from “evil city women”? Lucy then started messing with him by dressing as the archetypal ’50s dime-store novel vamp. (Reference)
It’s been at least 25 years since I saw that scene, but your comment brought it all ringing back to me.
The Chosun Ilbo is NOT the New York Times, FOX NEWS, or whatever.
The Chosun Ilbo is the Chosun Ilbo.
While a story of this nature might not have gotten coverage in the NYT, it certainly would have in the NY Daily News or the Post.
This is about someone who threatened another person with HIV infection. Now explain to me why that SHOULDNT get press time in ANY newspaper.
Umm… nobody else noticed that the Aussie in question, Angus Yates, has been already blacklisted? Ummmm…. a fracking year ago?!?
http://www.kftra.co.kr/black_l.....rchstring=
Am I the only one who noticed that the Aussie in question (Angus Yates) has already been blacklisted - a year ago?
http://www.kftra.co.kr/black_list.asp
…near the end (which makes him one of the original blacklisted teachers)…
I maintain that the Hankyoreh shows a consistent anti-foreign bias, which includes the U.S.
–Dogbert
Dogbert, do yourself a favor and stop whining about anti-foreign bias in Korea. Don’t you get it? We’re sick and tired of hearing your bellyaching. Slough of your victim mentality and maybe that ulcer in your gut will start clearing up.
Gentlemen, most of you are completely missing the point of the Chosun Ilbo article:
1. The alleged perpetrator sent an email to some girl claiming he might have infected her with AIDS.
2. This incident is simply the latest in a string of incidence of foreigner misconduct.
3. Whiners like Dogbert cannot claim an anti-foreign bias or even a racist bias with respect to coverage in the Chosun Ilbo. The Chosun Ilbo has also printed stories of Koreans behaving badly in Vietnam and the Phillipines.
Bottomline: Shakuhachi, Dogbertt, et al need to stop race baiting and exercise a little more self-respect.
Has anyone else emailed Son Jin-seok and asked him/her (sorry can’t distinguish) to justify the article? I did, but have yet to get a reply.
YoungRocco2. What makes you completely sure the email originated from Mr Y? Even if it is legitimate, how does the misbehavior of one foreign teacher necessitate a racist article?
Is anyone surprised by all this? This is typical of the Korean media. I must say I am not even a little surprised. In the end, I feel the majority of Koreans will never change. After all, Koreans are perfect and the rest of us are all barbarians. It’s ok for them to do this to non-Koreans. Please never forget that point. If roles were reversed #42 would have a change of heart I’m sure. However, if the story is true, I can’t help but think that that Aussie dude is missing a few screws to say the least. SOOOO….Please Koreans accept this sincere apology! The caucasian half of me is so sorry that this has happened. PLEASE forgive ALL white people for this INDIVIDUALS behavior. Yes, I know white people are evil. Everyone knows Koreans NEVER have and would NEVER do anything against another group of people. Please open your hearts Korea and forgive all white foreigners!!!
I see YoungRocco’s come out from under his bridge again.
The very concept of a string of incidents of foreigner misconduct is offensive. Unless there is evidence that foreigners break the law at a higher rate than, say, drunken Korean salarymen, pointing to isolated incidents of misconduct and calling them a “string” is unwarranted. Foreigners screw up. So do Koreans. Citizenship status and/or ethnicity (because when it comes right down to it, that’s what “foreigner” refers to here, as evidenced by the Korean article’s headline about “White teacher”) has nothing to do with it. Making an issue of it is race baiting—no more, no less.
Koreans would be offended—and rightfully so—if the American media ran an article referencing the Cho Seung-hui and Azia Kim incidents as evidence of a “string” of (ethnic) Korean misconduct on college campuses. The Chosun story was irresponsible journalism. End of story. By defending it, you’re taking the side of irresponsible, unethical, race-baiting journalism.
Actually, neither of these statements is true. The guy in question allegedly (at least you got that part right, Rocco; gotta give you credit there) emailed the woman saying that: 1) he had engaged in high-risk sexual activity prior to having unprotected sex with her; 2) he doesn’t know his HIV status; 3) if in fact he is infected, and if he had passed it on to her, she deserved it.
No threat was made. A spiteful and immature attempt to scare a former flame was made. That’s why it shouldn’t get press time in any newspaper. And it certainly shouldn’t be cast as an “there go the foreigners again” issue.
That’s been my whole point all along.
I’m {actually not at all} surprised the kyopo commenters on this thread lack empathy on this issue.
The problem with the story is that the newspaper failed to investigate further to get the real story and took it at face value that the foreigner was in the wrong. On the face of it, it looks sensational and they didn’t bother to check facts, letting it stand even though it makes foreigners look bad. But who cares, whatever sells newspapers, especially stories about those evil, bad-ass foreigners, even if they aren’t true. This amateur newspaper couldn’t even take the time to find out and instead chose the sensational route to appeal to anti-foreigner sentiment.
Koreans would be offended—and rightfully so—if the American media ran an article referencing the Cho Seung-hui and Azia Kim incidents as evidence of a “string” of (ethnic) Korean misconduct on college campuses
–ut videam
There is a major hole in your analogy. Cho Seung Hui’s rampage was an isolated incident. If there are more shootings on college campuses by Koreans or crimes of similar scale, then a newspaper could not be considered racist for pointing it out as the latest incident in a string of incidences.
Compare the Cho Seung Hui incident to instances of white foreign teachers misbehaving in Korea. Cho Seung Hi is an aberration. This instance is merely the latest incident in a string of similar incidences. There is nothing wrong with the Chosun Ilbo pointing out that this guy was white. Why? Because most of the English teachers involved in these types of incidences are white.
Also, this guy was white.
The problem here is that you are confused.
If a white guy spreads AIDS to someone, then it is not racist to say that the guy was white. Just as it would not be racist to say that an Arab criminal is Arab or that a Korean criminal is Korean.
So here are the facts, my friend.
1. The guy was white.
2. The newspaper did not link the incident as
stemming from white genetics or white culture.
3. The newspaper merely said that the guy was
white.
4. The newspaper also said that white teachers
have done similar things in the past.
So all the newspaper did was state facts.
You have nothing to complain about. Ut Videam here is the essential point: It is not racist to point out facts.
But here is one thing that we agree on: The newspaper had no business publicizing this guy’s name.
Unless the criminal’s crime is somehow related to his race, or the crime is peculiar to members of one race, then pointing out the race of the perpetrator is unwarranted.
An example to illustrate my point: As of today, men of Arab descent have something of a monopoly on flying civil airliners into tall buildings. Nothing racist about pointing that out; it’s just the facts. Your example is faulty, however, because Arabs and Africans and Koreans spread AIDS just as whites do. Therefore, race is irrelevant and ought not be mentioned.
When a newspaper gratuitously mentions the race of the alleged perpetrator of a crime that could have—and has—been oommitted by a member of any race, and a fortiori when that race happens to be a minority, that newspaper acts irresponsibly.
And further, as the Marmot pointed out in his update to the original post, the Chosun’s gem was printed the same day that tempers flared about teachers in Gwanak-gu
… taking up for one of their own, a convicted child molester. This goes to my point that inability to keep it zipped up is not by any stretch of the imagination limited to white teachers.
That being the case, pointing out the guy’s race and putting it in the context of “here goes whitey again” can only serve to stir up anti-minority sentiments. At minimum, it’s irresponsible—if it was done unintentionally. If it was intentional, it’s even worse.
And finally:
As I previously stated, nowhere has it been stated that this jackass spread AIDS to anyone. He might have gotten a High Five from the hookers in the Philippines, and he might have passed it along if he contracted it in the first place.
For those of you who haven’t figured it out yet, THIS IS NOT NEWS!
To make a story out of this, and to frame that story in terms of the misconduct of members of one race, can only serve to fan the flames of nativist sentiment. While that might be peachy keen with some people around here, many others would say that it smacks of yellow journalism.
YoungRocco:
“This instance is merely the latest incident in a string of similar incidences.”
Where’s the string? The only reason it seems like white guys are going on sexually perverted rampages in Korea is because the Korean media reports on every minor sexual infringement by them. If the Korean media reported every little debauched detail of the local men with as much thoroughness and zeal as they do the expats, there would be no room left in the newspapers for anything else.
Fact is, white expatriate foreigners behave no better or worse in regards to this sort of thing than Korean men - in fact, I’d go as far as to say they behave with more propriety. They certainly treat women better than Korean men do. The article in question is just another crude expression of adjoshi-insecurity over white males dating korean women.
Newspapers are good at playing on fears and hatreds - they do it all over the world. They jump on and exagurate any infringement by a group that is already the object of fear and dislike, because the readership responds to such articles.
To Korean men, therefore, this piss-ant story is newsworthy. So expect to continue reading more of the same.
I’ve gotta laugh at this by YoungRocco:
“Because most of the English teachers involved in these types of incidences are white.”
Not exactly sure what you mean by “these type of incidences” but please elaborate, I’m interested.
This thread has probably been done to death, but here’s an example of what I’m talking about:
I play football in korean tournaments. Last weekend one of the korean players was so upset with a refereeing decision by a female ref that he punched her in the face. It was a solid hit: she was knocked over and then she got up and fled the field. No-one did much to the guy except lead him away.
News? Not on your life. Not even a snippet in the local daily. Now imagine if that had of been a white foreigner. It would have made national headlines. The fact is, as a maligned group, our actions are scrutinized, whereas the local men’s behavior is not.
hoju_saram, are you blaming on Korean men for the report? You sound like a racist too. I don’t personally know anyone teaching English in South Korea, but did hear that at least some, not all, white males go to South Korea and Japan to bang girls over there, teaching English. I used to read such stories that some white dudes posted. So, it even gave me a certain bias about those teaching English there. You might want to blame on Korean men again. BTW, everyone knows that sex crime rate of whites is much higher that of Koreans at least in America. South Korean males are more conservative than Korean-American males are, of course.
Now, that’s an intriguing statement, isn’t it?
Robert, I admit that that part wasn’t necessary.
“Because most of the English teachers involved in these types of incidences are white.”
“everyone knows that sex crime rate of whites is much higher that of Koreans at least in America”
Did I miss something? Until now I wasn’t aware I was a part of a degenerate subclass of philandering sexual predators. Thanks for informing me though French Quarter.
Just out of curiosity though, could you direct me to some relevent statistics that prove the above statements to be true? Or is this just something korean men talk about between underage handjobs in the local room salon?
BTW by sex crime, do you mean white men sleeping with consenting korean women?
Yes, he does.
lol. Crimes by race is a grubby topic to get into, but here’s some interesting stats to read anyway:
http://www.apiahf.org/apidvins.....Korean.htm
Here’s one snippet:
36.7% (of a sample of korean women in the U.S) reported sexual violence by an intimate partner sometime in their lives.
Also: http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
“Compared to findings with American couples, results indicate that Korean men were victimized by their wives twice as much as American men, while Korean women were victimized by their spouses three times as much as American women.)”
Of course, since everyone knows that the sex crime rate of whites is much higher that of Koreans, these stats must be bogus.
hoju_saram, some compelling points there, but he was talking about consensual sex between Korean women and white men, which he feels is a crime, and not sexual crimes between Koreans which he feels should not be subject to the legalistic scrutiny of the white power structure.
White men wanting to have sex with a Korean woman should get the written permission of at least 2 of the woman’s male family members (on of whom MUST be her father, or if no father is available, a male legal guardian) before she can legally give consent to have sexual intercourse.
true, true, i apologise, i was confused there for a moment. i guess that means i’m a sex criminal. i certainly don’t think my girlfriend has any of the material you mention. i might have a hunt around in her drawers just in case - after i hunt around in her other drawers, of course.
I don’t have stats. Do you know the questionnaires or the method of the above survey and stats? I used to work in a District Attorney’s Office when I was in law school. Profiling based on race is not something to be discussed in public by law enforcement (because it is a constitutional right issue, but, in reality, they do. When I work for an assistant district attorney, I, like the other law students, got along with detectives and police officers and had talks with them about various subjects includinng crimes by race. I learned that from them whether you like it or not. There are also countless bizarre sex crimes by a particular group.
There ARE decent people visiting South Korea. There also are some losers who go to South Korea because they can’t do anything positive in their home countries. They are not interested in cultures in South Korea, but are only interested in banging girls who no local is interested in. Based on your posts, hoju_saram and your fellow Australian, you are some of those losers. I suggest you leave South Korea becaue the country is not a good place for racists like you. Otherwise, some ugly thing like what happend your fellow man may happen again.
Just in case the man in the Chosun Ilbo article would read this thread, I want to say that I emailed the reporter in favor of that man, questioning the authenticity of the email.
FC
“I suggest you leave South Korea becaue the country is not a good place for racists like you.”
Ah, the brilliant, brilliant irony…
“South Korean males are more conservative than Korean-American males are, of course.”
Korean-Americans and Korean-Canadians I know might not agree, at least when comparing their parents to Koreans of the same generation. From what they tell me, their parents tended to retain the same values and attitudes they had when they left Korea in the 1970s and 1980s, and can be tougher about dyed hair, longish hair for men, risque clothing for women, and even “international” dating than many Korean parents.
A Korean university professor I know mentioned to me how she spent an afternoon convincing her brother in Canada not to try stopping her nephew from dying his hair brown. When told by her brother that this behavior would never happen in Korea, she had to break it to him that it had been happening for the last ten years and was now commonplace. Seems dad hadn’t been back to visit since the Olympics…
Let me summarize the last 15 or so posts:
French Quarter is living in his own world. A very stupid world.
So you are upset that foreigners are banging Korean girls that “no local is interested in”? You know, I am not in South Korea but Koreans like you insist on immigrating to my country, legally or illegally, and then you guys still pull the “don’t date Korean girls” thing. Given the attitudes of some of the Koreans posting here, I am starting to wonder about the possible existence of a “hypocrisy gene”.
shakuhachi, your incapability of understanding what I wrote above is not my fault. You have just demonstrated that you are a bitter racist.
Kyopo rage.
dobbertt, I’m not a Kyopo.
I comprehend my native language perfectly fine. If there is any problem, it is the way you expressed your thoughts.
Is “racist” just a kind of label for white people that don’t like being smeared? Throwing around “racist” gets a lot of whites to back down, but not me. You chose the wrong white person.
By the way, I will have sex with consenting Korean females if I so desire, and not just the ones that “no local is interested in” - the hell with your “opinion”.
>>By the way, I will have sex with consenting Korean females if I so desire, and not just the ones that “no local is interested in” - the hell with your “opinion”.
shakuhachi, your obsession with sex (with Korean girls) is quite impressive. Get laid with anyone you want. I don’t care who bangs who. My post was for racist posts/attitutes like yours. Your such obsession seems to make you find virtually anything related to banging girls.
FC - “White people are bad and commit perverted sex crimes in Korea!”
Whitey - “I don’t appreciate that.”
FC - “Racist! You are a racist for not appreciating my opinion!
Whitey - “I don’t think your statement is true, either.”
FC - “You racist! You are a filthy, nasty racist for disagreeing with me!”
Whitey - “…”
FC - “Racist! RACIST! R-A-C-I-S-T! Keep away from our women, racist!
Rhesus, that’s sort of hilarious. It must be a joke.
Can we get a Marmot’s Codicil to Godwin’s Law stating that once the word racist gets used the thread shuts down? This thread became a waste of 1’s and 0’s a long time ago.
#68, 69 - jesus French Quarter, get a grip. The irony of calling other people racists and then telling me, based only on the fact that I’ve denied white men are more likely to commit sex crimes, that i’m “only interested in banging girls who no local is interested in.”
Incredible. FYI I’ve been with my kyopo girlfriend for 4 years, am loyal and in love, have never slept with another korean girl (nor do I have any desire to). if you have a problem with that thats your problem. i also know the korean language and am very interested in the culture and history.
Here’s a pic of us in Italy:
http://www.trekearth.com/galle.....532270.htm
beautiful isn’t she?
Nice photo.
Seconded, nice pic, hoju_saram.
It is so sad that there are people out there determined to illegitimize relationships like yours.
hoju_saram, it is you who have a problem with Korean men and bashed them who have nothing to do with the Chosun Ilbo article in question. Isn’t this a double standard for men and women? You unintentionally INVITED certain fury, which can be nastier than you might have thought.
BTW, I had a chance today to witness a certain obsession and groundless fear in a particular group.
What’s this.
I have no time to read all these and I’ll say my one.
Korean males are voluntarily and happpily pay for their love and sex. You know, most Korean males demand to get rid of the law prohibiting sex trade.
But, it seems that foreign males would not pay for their sex with Korean females.
In my opinion, all quarrels between Korean males and foreingn males arise from this fact.
http://news.naver.com/news/rea.....0000440855
This news show how the Korean males are.
(Korean)girls who no local(male) is interested in?
Because most Korean males prefer to TRADE love and sex and some males feel sorry for FREE love and sex or some males want to evade to pay for making it. Korean males are not interested in some types of Korean girls. It’s natural.
I’d say that’s a fair assessment.
I didn’t “invite” any fury. I believe the story in question is a manifestation of korean male prejudice towards white males who date korean women. I think that’s fair comment and I stand by it. If you were a white guy dating a korean girl in korea you’d understand better.
Your reaction to the article reflect your own anger against Korean males. The article was about crimes that certain “teachers” committed. Education and teaching are insanely important in South Korea. The reason that misconducts of some “foreign” teachers had gotten such attention was because they were “teachers,” and the incidents were not what people in South Korea had expected. Misconducts and crimes that a teacher commit get instant and widespread attention, regardless of the person’s nationality. Korean people’s obsession with (English) education and their expection of the quality of foreign teachers are two of the most important factors of these “foreign teacher” misconduct news reports. Here, the majority of the teachers happen to be whites. The person who might have sent the email was the ex of the Aussie teacher, who was blacklisted for it, and the Chosun Ilbo reported it. If you want to find a “Don’t take our women” attitude, you can find one anywhere in the world. That’s universal. Don’t blame Korean males for a wrong reason. If there is antipathy against “foreigner’s dating Korea women,” you can find it from Korean moms quite often. They disqualify their daughters’ dates, whether they are Chinese Americans or whites. “Korean male prejudice” behind the article is, as you wrote, just your belief.
FC
“Your reaction to the article reflect your own anger against Korean males.”
trans - “You disagree with me, so you must be angry at Korean men (and a racist).”
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“If you want to find a “Don’t take our women” attitude, you can find one anywhere in the world.”
trans - “Don’t take our women.”
“If you want to find a “Don’t take our women” attitude, you can find one anywhere in the world. That’s universal. Don’t blame Korean males for a wrong reason.”
Actually, you can’t find it “anywhere” in the world. For western men it’s simply not an issue. In Korea, amoung Korean men, it is a major issue. You kind of figure that out after hearing your g/f get called a slut for the 7th time because she’s holding your hand.
And before you deny it, you’ve already shown your true colors with this comment:
“…only interested in banging girls who no local is interested in…”
Who no local is interested in…What exactly did you mean by that? They’re sluts? They’re ugly? And/or they’re iredeemably desperate for even considering touching a white man?
Explain that to me before you lecture me again.
Somehow the expats find some damn way to blame their own asinine expat fuckery on Korean men…again.
seems like it’s the other way around, this time
>>Actually, you can’t find it “anywhere” in the world. For western men it’s simply not an issue. In Korea, amoung Korean men, it is a major issue.
hoju_saram, your anger and hatred may have made you blind. I don’t feel necessary to take examples. If you can say that it is not an issue for “western” men, it would say that it is not an issue for Koren men either. After I joined this blog just a few days ago, it has been amazing to see such hatred and double-standard. There is also an extremely strong obsession with sex in a particular group. This is like a disease, mental disease. Honestly, I had never expected such an ugly thing and do feel sick. If you hate people in South Korea that much, I sincerely suggest again you leave the country for a better place with the person(s) who you love. I’m sure it will make your life easier. Anyway, the words you quoted were toward some so-called “losers,” not toward any ordinary men or girls.
why can’t fq just make sense?
fq, that was rhetorical, please don’t answer it.
That last is a real irony gold mine:
“…your anger and hatred may have made you blind.”
“…such hatred and double-standard.”
“If you hate people in South Korea that much…”
Yes, all that’s necessary when responding to criticism is to use the same set of magic words again and again, in different combinations. Works wonders!
Rhesus, they are not magic words. They are about the real problems of some folks including you.
Rhesus, you should reread your own dumb and repetitive posts before you whine about mine.
Of course, they must be my problems. I am criticizing you, after all. Ergo “hate,” “racist,” “anger,” etc.
“…dumb and repetitive…”
hehe
Korean males feel uneasy, unconfortable
especially in USA or Australia other than other Asian countries except Japan and African countries etc unlike Korean females for their ineptness in language. They compare themselves with Korean females and native males, which is the habit they were al