“Irag” should, of course, have been “Iraq”.

I hate Muslim terrorists, too, and generally dislike Muslim Fundamentalists and Extremists, even those who do not resort to open terrorism.

As for my opinion about President Bush, it is not yet settled. I do by no means hate the man, I found him great when he started his first term in office - but there is no doubt that he blundered.

I am sincerely sorry about the turn things have taken in Irag and, to some extent, even in Afghanistan…

And I do this notwithstanding the fact that, when Bush started the Iraq war in 2003, I was staunchly convinced that he was doing the right thing, to an extent that I felt repulsed by the German government’s opposition to this move. But I had to learn better…

Iraq….South Korea….let’s just bring the men and women of the US Armed Forces home! Or have some small symbolic troop presence in SK, like now, and bring the troops in Iraq home.

The point is….the war in Iraq is lost…because we don’t even know what victory means anymore.

Who lied?

Hussein. He lied.

Iran lied.

Syria lied.

Bin Laden lied.

Bush was misinformed.

The French and the Russians didn’t want in on the deal, because they had oil deals with Hussein.

Gasp ! It wasn’t because the French love freedom?

The Russians don’t love freedom?

No.

By the way, the latest poll shows Hiliary will win the Democrat ticket.

The single reason why voters will help her out is the War in Iraq.

The War that less than 5% of America is actually involved in in terms of serving in the military and what not.

The poll also reveals that voters dont think either healthcare, economy, or civil rights is a huge negative for them.

Based on the fact that much of the public view on Iraq is painted up by tv news and this-is-Vietnam-anti-war activists,

I think the Democrats are the ones who are riding on a narrow margin towards the white house.

Read the pdf. The only case the Democrats have for taking the throne is the Iraq War.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/im.....op3dem.pdf

Maybe Hiliary Clinton would prefer to deal with Iraq the way China is dealing with the civil war in Africa. Just sell arms.

Watch the fire.

“I’m one American who hates Bush and who hates Muslim terrorists as well.”

Which one do you hate more? And against which one are you more likely to take some sort of political action?

I won’t “hate” you for doing your best to use your rights as a US citizen to stop the Iraq war; my suggestion for you to write your congressman to urge this is not meant to be ironic.

If the Democrats could find the courage to vote only enough funds to begin an immediate US troop withdrawl, frankly I’d feel a certain sense of shamed relief that the end was in sight, even though it’s obvious to me that Iraq would descend quickly into total chaos and a total war of all against all, into which we would probably be drawn back again.

What ought to be frightening to any Koreans reading here is to observe this level of internal political discord between Americans. Last August the Marmot posted a thread about how an ROK Army general expected the US to come up with hundreds of thousands of troops to defend the country, if needed; I don’t know what dream world that general thinks he is currently living in.

If the US can’t summon the collective will to fight the war in Iraq to a reasonably successful conclusion, I don’t see how we could summon the will to risk several thousand dead (ie, a similar level to the current totals of dead in Iraq/Afghanistan) in order to defend the ROK (to include a possible atomic exchange).

Especially given that a large proportion of ROK citizenry don’t want us there anymore and might even take sides against us.

That’s why I’m in favor of beginning a process of US troop withdrawl from the ROK; it’s better to leave now while the situation is stable. With the Americans gone, both sides will have to face the reality of their situation vs a vs each other, and begin to get on with whatever the next step is in their ultimate political destiny.

I don’t understand why Americans hate Bush so badly that they want us to lose this war in Iraq/Afghanistan

What really burns me about that is that simplistic line of thinking is just what Bush wants.

He starts a war so that he can tell Americans who are stupid enough to think that way that “you’re either with me or your for the enemy”. Hoo-ah!

Well, I’m one American who hates Bush and who hates Muslim terrorists as well. It’s not a mutually exclusive hatred.

If you think the Iraq and/or Afghan wars are mistakes and need to be stopped immediately, I urge you to write to your congressman/Senators and request they vote to stop the war funding, similar to what happened at the very end of the Vietnam war.

LOL.

I don’t understand why Americans hate Bush so badly that they want us to lose this war in Iraq/Afghanistan

We’ve already lost it.

At this point, it’s not even so much about the war, as about how much credibility and integrity Bush has cost the nation.

But I like your idea - let me put it another way: “I don’t see why some Germans hate Hitler so badly they want Germany to lose this war in Europe.”

After all, the Bolsheviks were terrorists too.