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	<title>Comments on: Wiki Finds Tokdo and Others Lame</title>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/28/wiki-finds-tokdo-at-others-lame/#comment-83138</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 22:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, wouldn't want to upset Danes, it's Denmark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, wouldn&#8217;t want to upset Danes, it&#8217;s Denmark.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/28/wiki-finds-tokdo-at-others-lame/#comment-83137</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 22:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18...probably.  That might be why they are getting worked up about it.  It would be difficult for Korea to make any claims for the territory if the surrounding islands disappear underwater.  Kind of like Danemark making a move for Hans Island before the polar icecap melts in the hopes of gaining control of the Northern Passage.

#21...lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18&#8230;probably.  That might be why they are getting worked up about it.  It would be difficult for Korea to make any claims for the territory if the surrounding islands disappear underwater.  Kind of like Danemark making a move for Hans Island before the polar icecap melts in the hopes of gaining control of the Northern Passage.</p>
<p>#21&#8230;lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Netizen Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/28/wiki-finds-tokdo-at-others-lame/#comment-83128</link>
		<dc:creator>Netizen Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only other group of people who care more about Tokto, besides Koreans, are expats. Some even have entire blogs dedicated to it. I wont name names but one in particular starts with an "O". Some expats have even lost their jobs because of their passion for Tokto. Again, I wont name names. Other expat blogs wont go that far, but will continuously remind you over and over again that no one cares about Tokto, despite the fact that no one cares about Tokto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only other group of people who care more about Tokto, besides Koreans, are expats. Some even have entire blogs dedicated to it. I wont name names but one in particular starts with an &#8220;O&#8221;. Some expats have even lost their jobs because of their passion for Tokto. Again, I wont name names. Other expat blogs wont go that far, but will continuously remind you over and over again that no one cares about Tokto, despite the fact that no one cares about Tokto.</p>
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		<title>By: globalvillageidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/28/wiki-finds-tokdo-at-others-lame/#comment-83126</link>
		<dc:creator>globalvillageidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"or maybe that’s what gets you off. nobody cares? japanese government cares. you seemed to have ignored that instead focusing on whatever makes you think you’re right. and i’ll say it again:
it ain’t korea trying to claim japanese land, now, is it?"

Doesn't get me off that few people in Japan care.  Neither does the fact that most people in southern California don't really care that the Anaheim Ducks are in the Stanley Cup Finals, while the opposite is true in Ontario, if not all of Canada at the moment, when it comes to the Ottawa Senators.  It just is.  
  
"did you read this thread?"

Yes.  Again, what places IN Korea are the Japanese attempting to rename?  (Seoul?  Busan?  Some club in Hannam-dong?)

Please note that I have always supported the status quo - that is, Korea owning the islets - and don't expect this to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;or maybe that’s what gets you off. nobody cares? japanese government cares. you seemed to have ignored that instead focusing on whatever makes you think you’re right. and i’ll say it again:<br />
it ain’t korea trying to claim japanese land, now, is it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t get me off that few people in Japan care.  Neither does the fact that most people in southern California don&#8217;t really care that the Anaheim Ducks are in the Stanley Cup Finals, while the opposite is true in Ontario, if not all of Canada at the moment, when it comes to the Ottawa Senators.  It just is.  </p>
<p>&#8220;did you read this thread?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  Again, what places IN Korea are the Japanese attempting to rename?  (Seoul?  Busan?  Some club in Hannam-dong?)</p>
<p>Please note that I have always supported the status quo - that is, Korea owning the islets - and don&#8217;t expect this to change.</p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/28/wiki-finds-tokdo-at-others-lame/#comment-83123</link>
		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 18:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Maybe that stings worse...'

or maybe that's what gets you off. nobody cares? japanese government cares. you seemed to have ignored that instead focusing on whatever makes you think you're right. and i'll say it again:
it ain't korea trying to claim japanese land, now, is it? 

'Just out of curiosity, what name changes of places in Korea are the Japanese attempting?'

did you read this thread?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Maybe that stings worse&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>or maybe that&#8217;s what gets you off. nobody cares? japanese government cares. you seemed to have ignored that instead focusing on whatever makes you think you&#8217;re right. and i&#8217;ll say it again:<br />
it ain&#8217;t korea trying to claim japanese land, now, is it? </p>
<p>&#8216;Just out of curiosity, what name changes of places in Korea are the Japanese attempting?&#8217;</p>
<p>did you read this thread?</p>
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		<title>By: Netizen Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/28/wiki-finds-tokdo-at-others-lame/#comment-83121</link>
		<dc:creator>Netizen Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 17:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I predict in about 20-40 years, due to global warming, there will be no more Tokto controversy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict in about 20-40 years, due to global warming, there will be no more Tokto controversy.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/28/wiki-finds-tokdo-at-others-lame/#comment-83113</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 15:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. ...is because...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. &#8230;is because&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/28/wiki-finds-tokdo-at-others-lame/#comment-83112</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 15:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"‘PS. You do know that many of the Japanese right wing gangsters are ethnic Koreans, right? Prime example of how gangs tend to attract the kind of people who’d sell their grandmother for the right amount of money.’

the poster who wrote this statement spends quite a bit of time slamming koreans for their racism. and yet, he makes some of the most racist comments on this board.

gang acticity common amongst marginalized people. with regard to yakuza, being korean is everything and nothing at all. the poster will have a difficult time understanding the last sentence."

Whatever, Pawi.  I'm a racist just because I often call you on your bullshit.  The reason I have difficulty understanding your last sentence because it lacks certain elements I would like to find as a reader, such as a logical progression and proper grammar.

Are you trying to tell me that these criminals wouldn't be gangsters if they weren't in Japan?  I doubt it would make any difference if they were in South Korea.  Sorry, but Koreans being oppressed in Japan is hardly true anymore.  Sure, in the 1940's and 1950's, but that still sounds like a convenient excuse that belittles the Koreans who did not turn to a life of crime to make ends meet. 

Have you ever met a Korean Japanese? I've met several ethnic Koreans while traveling in Japan and they seemed pretty happy to me. They were very nice people, too.  I find it offensive that you would suggest otherwise.

"being korean is everything and nothing at all"

I've posted something about the Uyoku dantai before.  It's too late for me to go through the trouble of finding all the information I had, so  just take a look for yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyoku_dantai

Yup, some of these groups are manned by Koreans gangsters.  Think about it.  These people are Japanese ultra-nationalists, not the victims of Japanese society that you paint them to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;‘PS. You do know that many of the Japanese right wing gangsters are ethnic Koreans, right? Prime example of how gangs tend to attract the kind of people who’d sell their grandmother for the right amount of money.’</p>
<p>the poster who wrote this statement spends quite a bit of time slamming koreans for their racism. and yet, he makes some of the most racist comments on this board.</p>
<p>gang acticity common amongst marginalized people. with regard to yakuza, being korean is everything and nothing at all. the poster will have a difficult time understanding the last sentence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whatever, Pawi.  I&#8217;m a racist just because I often call you on your bullshit.  The reason I have difficulty understanding your last sentence because it lacks certain elements I would like to find as a reader, such as a logical progression and proper grammar.</p>
<p>Are you trying to tell me that these criminals wouldn&#8217;t be gangsters if they weren&#8217;t in Japan?  I doubt it would make any difference if they were in South Korea.  Sorry, but Koreans being oppressed in Japan is hardly true anymore.  Sure, in the 1940&#8217;s and 1950&#8217;s, but that still sounds like a convenient excuse that belittles the Koreans who did not turn to a life of crime to make ends meet. </p>
<p>Have you ever met a Korean Japanese? I&#8217;ve met several ethnic Koreans while traveling in Japan and they seemed pretty happy to me. They were very nice people, too.  I find it offensive that you would suggest otherwise.</p>
<p>&#8220;being korean is everything and nothing at all&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted something about the Uyoku dantai before.  It&#8217;s too late for me to go through the trouble of finding all the information I had, so  just take a look for yourself:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyoku_dantai" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyoku_dantai</a></p>
<p>Yup, some of these groups are manned by Koreans gangsters.  Think about it.  These people are Japanese ultra-nationalists, not the victims of Japanese society that you paint them to be.</p>
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		<title>By: globalvillageidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/28/wiki-finds-tokdo-at-others-lame/#comment-83079</link>
		<dc:creator>globalvillageidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 11:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"lastly, can i ask you? what’s your advice to the japanese government and it’s proclamation that they own the rocks and about attempts to change the name of places that exist in korea? so far, you only seem to have advice for one side."

Well, I'd tell them that I think they're wrong.  And that I don't think their claim is valid.  And that maybe they should stop teasing the Koreans.  It isn't very nice.

However, in case you haven't noticed, it seems to be the Koreans, often at a national level, who deliberately whip people into a frenzy over this dispute (one that they are in no danger of losing, by the way) all the while reminding everybody of the occupation to the point of promoting hatred against the Japanese.
  
As stated, this may be a minor issue in Shimane prefecture (I mistakenly called it Maizaru prefecture earlier - Maizaru is a port city within the prefecture I think) and with the usual gang of rightist nuts over there, but most Japanese who've even heard of Dokto/Takeshima couldn't care less.  Maybe that stings worse than the Japanese claim itself.

Just out of curiosity, what name changes of places in Korea are the Japanese attempting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;lastly, can i ask you? what’s your advice to the japanese government and it’s proclamation that they own the rocks and about attempts to change the name of places that exist in korea? so far, you only seem to have advice for one side.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;d tell them that I think they&#8217;re wrong.  And that I don&#8217;t think their claim is valid.  And that maybe they should stop teasing the Koreans.  It isn&#8217;t very nice.</p>
<p>However, in case you haven&#8217;t noticed, it seems to be the Koreans, often at a national level, who deliberately whip people into a frenzy over this dispute (one that they are in no danger of losing, by the way) all the while reminding everybody of the occupation to the point of promoting hatred against the Japanese.</p>
<p>As stated, this may be a minor issue in Shimane prefecture (I mistakenly called it Maizaru prefecture earlier - Maizaru is a port city within the prefecture I think) and with the usual gang of rightist nuts over there, but most Japanese who&#8217;ve even heard of Dokto/Takeshima couldn&#8217;t care less.  Maybe that stings worse than the Japanese claim itself.</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, what name changes of places in Korea are the Japanese attempting?</p>
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		<title>By: fencerider</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/28/wiki-finds-tokdo-at-others-lame/#comment-83076</link>
		<dc:creator>fencerider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 11:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another wikihohumwar that involves Korea...further down the list but i'm sure no less important to our "Host" nation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsushima_Basin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another wikihohumwar that involves Korea&#8230;further down the list but i&#8217;m sure no less important to our &#8220;Host&#8221; nation<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsushima_Basin" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsushima_Basin</a></p>
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