Katrin Fraser, who is set to become the new director for Asian affairs at the U.S. National Security Council, apparently feels the Bush administration’s “lack of understanding of Korean culture” has fanned anti-American sentiment in Korea. According to Ye Olde Chosun, she particularly criticized Bush’s labeling of North Korea as “evil” as running counter to Korean cultural norms:
She says South Korea’s “swift and largely negative reaction” came from two factors. One was a gradual buildup of anti-U.S. sentiment due to Bush’s rejection of engagement with North Korea, and the other “cultural insensitivity on the part of the Bush administration.” By calling North Korea “evil,” Bush offended against Korean norms of relationship management and communication, which focus on face-saving and “kibun,” she said.
“If the president had demonstrated an awareness of the importance of maintaining kibun in relating to Koreans (North or South), perhaps the South Korean response to his statement would have been more muted,” she writes.
She’s partly right — at least in the sense that at the public level, the maintaining of gibun is, generally speaking, important to Koreans in both North and South when it involves utterances directed at them personally or at the group of which they are a part. Of course, judging from North Korea’s routine ideological, racial and even personal attacks on the United States, Japan, South Korea’s opposition Grand National Party or public figures it dislikes, Seoul’s rhetoric toward Japan, or for that matter some of the heated public discourse within South Korea itself, the gibun of other parties can be of considerably less consequence.
For most of the post-Korean War period, South Korea’s rhetoric towards North Korea hardly took into account the gibun of North Korea’s leadership. If Bush had called the North Korean regime “evil” ten or fifteen years ago, it might have been well received by many South Koreans. Heck, if he’d called Japan “evil,” it would have been met with spontaneous street celebrations, even today. The difference is that over the last 10 years, South Koreans have moved away from viewing North Koreans as “horned communist devils” and more towards viewing them as part of the tribe, so to speak. The issue then becomes one not of the Bush administration failing to understand the Korean cultural concept of gibun, but rather one of it failing to understand — or care about — the a) changing nature of Korean nationalism and national identity and b) the priority Seoul placed on improving relations with the North.



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Sounds like she has only a very superficial understanding of South and North Korea. I guess a black belt in taikwondo ranks pretty high on the resume portfolio list for asian studies positions. God forbid anyone would want to hurt the Norks “kibun”. Does she know whats going on north of the DMZ?
As for her preschool take on the causes of anti-americanism, I think she needs to do a crash course on han (wounded) pride, envy and xenophobia to get to the crux of that one.
Over the last 10 years, huh? Perhaps officially. But for the average Cho in the street it goes back further than that.
In a nutshell, the foundation of popular anti-Americanism picked up once the US started “pressuring” Korea to liberalize the market. Basically it’s the (mistaken) belief that the free ride is a god-given right.
Sounds like whoever picked Katrin Fraser for the job needs to re-look their hiring decision.
Wonderful. The last thing we need in dealing with South Korea is the plate full of touchy-feely cultural sensitivity horseshit that Ms. Fraser seems intent on serving.
You don’t deal with apology-demanding, hyper-sensitive, easily-offended, pride-on-their-sleeve children by indulging their immaturity with “understanding.”
You tell them to grow the fuck up or shut the fuck up.
Katrin Fraser needs to take John Bolton’s cultural sensitivity training class:
Day 1 - Kibun is for fags.
Day 2 - Han is for crybabies
Day 3 - Jeong is for pussies.
Lol
There’s a time for power politics and a time for diplomacy. You’d think someone at the NSC would understand that.
“Katrin Fraser needs to take John Bolton’s cultural sensitivity training class:”
I think you meant John Bolton’s “Retarded Diplomacy” class. The one about alienating as many friends - in addition to foes - as possible with two wars on the go and America’s international reputation in the toilet.
“Day 1 - Kibun is for fags.
Day 2 - Han is for crybabies
Day 3 - Jeong is for pussies.”
Agree with you there to some extent, but would delivering such a message - WWE Smackdown style no less - advance the national interest of the United States?
bunch acrap
Those views of hers were published in 2002 by the kibun-massaging Korea Society.
Not having set foot in Korea in well over 10 years, but observing from afar (via the Wife’s Satellite TV link) and talking to the in-laws, I am shocked at the level of willful ignorance of mainstream Koreans to the exact nature and depth of what is going on in the North.
When the subject of the Kim Kult, or Prison Camps, or Engineered Starvation and Economic Destruction come up, you can (virtually) see the average Sork putting their fingers in their ears, and yelling “NA NA NA NA NA” until you stop talking.
I wonder how much of that is the ancient “Us Vs Them” reflex, of a people that increasinginly seem themselves surrounded by Economic rivals (two of whom are hereditary enemies)?
That stupid “gibun” argument is so out-of-date. I can almost picture word-for-word what Korean policymakers are saying in a negotiation planning session:
Robert’s remarks are dead-on. Ms. Fraser does seem out of touch regarding the dynamics of the region and doesn’t seem to realize her own comments portray the South Koreans as hypocrites. Then again, the touchy-feely politicians rarely ever see any flaws in those they are trying to coddle.
In regards to Arelius’ comments….I’ve seen the same things right here in Korea. Just two days ago the subject of the Norks concentration camps came up in conversation with a group that involved two South Koreans. They both went into 100% complete denial mode about the North doing anything of the sort and even went so far as to insinuate that most of the Norks problems (including the food shortages) were the result of the US trying to isolate the North from the rest of the world. Now these were young S. Korean university students but it does give an insight into how the younger generation of Koreans view their Northern cousins. It’s that same old “Koreans are always the victims” routine only now the victims are the Norks.
When the curtain finally is pulled back on the North and the world sees first hand the atrocities the Norks have committed, the South will have to answer some very difficult questions. I have a feeling that the South Koreans won’t be able to buy enough gibun to hide their shame for denying for decades what’s been going on in the North and for helping prop up the KJI regime.
“… Seoul’s rhetoric toward Japan, or for that matter some of the heated public discourse within South Korea itself, the gibun of other parties can be of considerably less consequence.”
Or for that matter some of the heated public discourse regarding bilateral issues with the United States. The US is definitely outside Korea’s Realm of Kibun.
Anti-Americanism in Korea goes back 20 years or so. During the 70s, anti-Americanism among ordinary Koreans was very rare. America was though of as this huge, powerful and rich country across the ocean which was protecting the ROK against the DPRK.
But this changed when Chun Doo Hwan took power after the assassination of Park Chung Hee. As everyone knows Chun Doo Hwan wasn’t exactly that popular among S. Koreans, and Ronald Reagan’s invitation to Chun to visit the White House(in return for releasing Kim Dae Jung, although not many Koreans know about this) among others didn’t sit well with S. Koreans, especially those involved in the democracy movement, who viewed America as a nation supporting a dictator for its own perceived interests. This was the reason behind the storming of USIS buildings in Korea and the US ambassador’s residence near Toksu palace. It was also during this period that the leftist movement took off and well we all know how leftist feel about America.
Come the 90s, S. Korea is prosperous and with this prosperity brings the feeling among the Koreans that they should be “respected” and that they are a country to be reckoned with in NE Asia. Thus the rise of nationalism among Koreans. In the eyes of the nationalistic Koreans, the US is pushing it around and treating it like a Third World banana republic, which in turn leads to resentment towards the US. Also thanks to democracy, government documents from the military government era were gradually released from the public, and among them were documents citing the not too enthuastic response by the US government to ROK government requests for weapon systems such as the M60A1 tank, F-16 fighter, Stinger and Harpoon missiles among others, which obviously didn’t help matters.
But the real climax was the 2002 armored vehicle incident. This incident brought anti-Americanism among Koreans into the open and we have the anti-Americanism we now have today.
“If Bush had called the North Korean regime “evil” ten or fifteen years ago, it might have been well received by many South Koreans. Heck, if he’d called Japan “evil,” it would have been met with spontaneous street celebrations, even today. The difference is that over the last 10 years, South Koreans have moved away from viewing North Koreans as “horned communist devils” and more towards viewing them as part of the tribe, so to speak.”
“The issue then becomes one not of the Bush administration failing to understand the Korean cultural concept of gibun, but rather one of it failing to understand — or care about — the a) changing nature of Korean nationalism and national identity and b) the priority Seoul placed on improving relations with the North.”
That’s exactly what I was thinking while reading the article. They were still teaching school children anti-NK songs when I first came to Korea about 10 years ago. Now, it’s songs about Dokdo.
Koreans hate Americans because Americans are rich. That is the fact.
If the French were the richest people in the world, Koreans would hate the French calling them names and making fun of French men.
It has nothing to do with kibun or history. Koreans still consider themselves dirt poor. And, Americans look so rich.
The class war. Nothing else.
Actually, the 9/11 occurred for the same reason. Islam terrorists hate America because Americans are the richest and the most powerful in their eyes.
That is why these terrorists attacked the twin tower. And, they will continue to attack America because the Islam feels bad when a non-Islam nation is so powerful.
Bush is doing everything right. Go fight those terrorists where they live. Go get ‘em. Nanci Pelosi and democrates know that too. When they come in power, they will send troops to Iraq as well. There is no other way to stop Islam terrorists.
They know that too. But, to gain the white house, they mislead American people. Continue to spread misinformation about Iraq. Equating Iraq to VietNam.
When these democrates pull troops out of Iraq, nothing will happen for a couple of years. However, terrorists from Iraq and Iran will attack America with vengeance.
100,000 deaths?
–Marmot, this comment is a little off the subject. However, I extrapolated my opinion on why some (uneducated and stupid) Koreans hate America and what will happen to America when these misrepresentation of the real reason for the hate is so misunderstood–
“However, after two years, terrorists from Iraq and Iran will attack America with vengeance.”
I meant after a couple of years the 9/11 II will happen.
A small nuclear device exploded in NewYork or LosAngeles. Or, mass poisoning of municiple water system.
Impossible? Many experts would have said that the 9/11 were impossible before it happened.
100,000 deaths.
Would the Democrates take responsibility? Or, would they spin it and put it on Bush and Iraq War?
Who is the real bad guy?
“Many experts would have said that the 9/11 were impossible before it happened.”
Lousy appeal to authority. It wasn’t the first time airplanes had hijacked, so the real experts knew it was always a possibility.
I have generally been a lurker here but I must say, Blueballs, you are right on the money as usual. I would only challenge your use of the word “fag” because it is just as offensive as the word “nigger” and I don’t think you intend it that way, although I could be wrong (in which case you suck). Please let me stay a fan and tell me you don’t mean to be a bigot, you just made a boo-boo.
You’re correct Dustin. I should’ve used the term panzy, defined by the Urban Dictionary as “One who is an annoying bitch that has no balls.”
My apologies to all those poofters out there who may have been offended.
mins0306, good comment! A tip of the plumed hat and a bow.
ihurtblue: Welcome to the club. I had to stop using the word when I realized that Gays did not deserve to be lumped into the same class as KJI.
‘Eunuch’ might have been a better choice of words if that’s what you were aiming at.
20. For the politically correct out there, they are not fags, or poofters, they are pillow bitters.
C’mon now. There’s a budding romance and…and I thought the Korean guys were the cock blockers.
People who use words like “boo-boo” and “panzy” are fags.
BTW, I agree that Ms Fraser doesn’t know what the heck she is talking about. Anti-Americanism in Korea hasn’t nothing to do with kibun. Instead, it is a direct result of the Korean people’s failure to understand that Bush is The Decider and that Korea is not really Free unless they are told what to do by America.
Right, yeah, that’s what every commenter’s been saying in this thread, uh-huh. All it takes is some Adorno to catch that nasty white subtext.
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