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	<title>Comments on: Embracing civic nationalism</title>
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		<title>By: judge judy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/11/embracing-civic-nationalism/#comment-81877</link>
		<dc:creator>judge judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 12:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...(South) Korea is gradually transforming into a multicultural/racial society. Voices have been raised for a change in the way Koreans treat migrant workers or naturalized citizens, taking a lesson from the Virginia Tech case. They ask Koreans to think what it will be like if a discontented migrant worker perpetrates something similar to that massacre.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

this was a very sick young man who did not get the help he so desperately needed.  to even remotely suggest that adverse treatment as an  immigrant caused his rampage does the victims a true injustice.

however, i think he does hit on something important here.  without possible repercussions by oppressed migrant workers in korea, the status quo of inhumane treatment would very likely continue indefinitely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;(South) Korea is gradually transforming into a multicultural/racial society. Voices have been raised for a change in the way Koreans treat migrant workers or naturalized citizens, taking a lesson from the Virginia Tech case. They ask Koreans to think what it will be like if a discontented migrant worker perpetrates something similar to that massacre.</p></blockquote>
<p>this was a very sick young man who did not get the help he so desperately needed.  to even remotely suggest that adverse treatment as an  immigrant caused his rampage does the victims a true injustice.</p>
<p>however, i think he does hit on something important here.  without possible repercussions by oppressed migrant workers in korea, the status quo of inhumane treatment would very likely continue indefinitely.</p>
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		<title>By: judge judy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/11/embracing-civic-nationalism/#comment-81876</link>
		<dc:creator>judge judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 11:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To Americans, Cho Seung-hui was an American, although born Korean. If there are Koreans who accept Heinz Ward as one of them, but not Cho Seung-hui because he became an American, it is an internal conflict.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

this numbnut is obviously confused.  cho seung hui was korean with korean citizenship.  he never "became an american" but merely had a green card.  it amazes me that this misinformation is still being bandied around in korea-let alone from a professor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To Americans, Cho Seung-hui was an American, although born Korean. If there are Koreans who accept Heinz Ward as one of them, but not Cho Seung-hui because he became an American, it is an internal conflict.</p></blockquote>
<p>this numbnut is obviously confused.  cho seung hui was korean with korean citizenship.  he never &#8220;became an american&#8221; but merely had a green card.  it amazes me that this misinformation is still being bandied around in korea-let alone from a professor.</p>
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		<title>By: Havik</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/11/embracing-civic-nationalism/#comment-81870</link>
		<dc:creator>Havik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 09:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumours say that this Kyonggi professor is married to an Afghan woman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumours say that this Kyonggi professor is married to an Afghan woman.</p>
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		<title>By: mcnut</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/11/embracing-civic-nationalism/#comment-81862</link>
		<dc:creator>mcnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 04:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right i think its more korean women dont want to marry korean guys</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right i think its more korean women dont want to marry korean guys</p>
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		<title>By: mins0306</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/11/embracing-civic-nationalism/#comment-81758</link>
		<dc:creator>mins0306</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 02:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a hard time trying to understand the point behind the article, the guy kept going around in circles.

Anyway, I know someone who attended Kyonggi University, and I asked her about the author of the article in question.  Put it simply, she took some of his classes and had a very low opinion of the professor's ability to teach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a hard time trying to understand the point behind the article, the guy kept going around in circles.</p>
<p>Anyway, I know someone who attended Kyonggi University, and I asked her about the author of the article in question.  Put it simply, she took some of his classes and had a very low opinion of the professor&#8217;s ability to teach.</p>
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		<title>By: empraptor</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/11/embracing-civic-nationalism/#comment-81707</link>
		<dc:creator>empraptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 14:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the article about marriages:

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According to a study of international marriage and divorce by the Supreme Court of Korea on Sunday, of the total 337,528 marriages last year, 39,071 or 11.6 percent were international. An official from the Supreme Court of Korea said, "This means there's a lack of Korean women of marriageable age, or that they are avoiding marriage."
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That was funny as hell how they went from "more Koreans are marrying international partners" to "it's because Korean women don't want to marry" without any reasoning inserted between.  Last time I checked, men were involved in marriages too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article about marriages:</p>
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According to a study of international marriage and divorce by the Supreme Court of Korea on Sunday, of the total 337,528 marriages last year, 39,071 or 11.6 percent were international. An official from the Supreme Court of Korea said, &#8220;This means there&#8217;s a lack of Korean women of marriageable age, or that they are avoiding marriage.&#8221;
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<p>That was funny as hell how they went from &#8220;more Koreans are marrying international partners&#8221; to &#8220;it&#8217;s because Korean women don&#8217;t want to marry&#8221; without any reasoning inserted between.  Last time I checked, men were involved in marriages too.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbertt</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/11/embracing-civic-nationalism/#comment-81669</link>
		<dc:creator>dogbertt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 07:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Heinz 57" Ward.

Freudian slip, no doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Heinz 57&#8243; Ward.</p>
<p>Freudian slip, no doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Linkd</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/11/embracing-civic-nationalism/#comment-81667</link>
		<dc:creator>Linkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 07:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go to the Joongang site and search 'foreign marriages', you'll hit a number of stories with various stats. All the stats are by nationality, though, not ethnicity. I imagine it's hard to really define how ethnically Korean someone from Manchuria is, since Koreans have been there so many generations. Anyway, here's one tidbit:

According to the report, among the Korean men that got married last year, 41 percent of those in agriculture, forestry or fishery chose foreigners as their brides. Chinese and Vietnamese nationals accounted for 82 percent of these women.

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2873856</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go to the Joongang site and search &#8216;foreign marriages&#8217;, you&#8217;ll hit a number of stories with various stats. All the stats are by nationality, though, not ethnicity. I imagine it&#8217;s hard to really define how ethnically Korean someone from Manchuria is, since Koreans have been there so many generations. Anyway, here&#8217;s one tidbit:</p>
<p>According to the report, among the Korean men that got married last year, 41 percent of those in agriculture, forestry or fishery chose foreigners as their brides. Chinese and Vietnamese nationals accounted for 82 percent of these women.</p>
<p><a href="http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2873856" rel="nofollow">http://joongangdaily.joins.com.....id=2873856</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sperwer</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/11/embracing-civic-nationalism/#comment-81665</link>
		<dc:creator>Sperwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 07:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Heinz" Ward.  They can't get that right, and this knucklehead is talking about "civic nationalism" (shouldn't it be civil rights?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Heinz&#8221; Ward.  They can&#8217;t get that right, and this knucklehead is talking about &#8220;civic nationalism&#8221; (shouldn&#8217;t it be civil rights?)</p>
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		<title>By: hoju_saram</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/05/11/embracing-civic-nationalism/#comment-81659</link>
		<dc:creator>hoju_saram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 06:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"And let’s not forget North Korea, which I think is going to provide a lot of cheap labor and women to marry over the next several years"

Very optimistic about that one. I agree with the rest but I don't see the gates of Kim Jong Ildom opening anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And let’s not forget North Korea, which I think is going to provide a lot of cheap labor and women to marry over the next several years&#8221;</p>
<p>Very optimistic about that one. I agree with the rest but I don&#8217;t see the gates of Kim Jong Ildom opening anytime soon.</p>
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