She is certainly deserving of our admiration…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayan_Hirsi_Ali

Because then they would not be Turks any more, nor, according to German conventions, hyphenated Turkish-Germans; they would simply be Germans who could, if they so wished, disclose their Turkish roots. I know some such people - they are optically indistinguishable from the ethnic Germans…

And, Netizen, these are only the Turks who have retained their Turkish citizenship…

when I referred to “Muslims” I was not referring to enlightened individuals like your fellow Hawai’ian Barak Obama, nor to the upper middle classes of such cosmopolitan cities as Istanbul, Casablanca, or Almaty - instead I am referring to the very specific problems some European countries have with their Muslim underclass whose children do not speak a word of the language of the countries where they have been born and live in until they start school at the age of 6 or 7, then are supposed to learn to read and write in this language they cannot even speak, usually fail to do so, start skipping classes, hanging around in the streets and molesting the passers-by.

That is what I was talking about, nothing else.

Maybe I should have made that clearer right from the start…

“… told a (Moroccan) wife that she would not speed up her divorce from her (Turkish) husband on the grounds that he had severely beaten her, “as this had not been in contravention of Sharia law”.

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Even the Moroccan government sent a protest note to Berlin, as they seem to have revamped their “Droit de la famille” quite recently and take pride in having cleared it of each and every reminiscence of Sharia law.

Since “Taxman” brought up the topic here at # 3

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/.....-its-true/

I would like to add that honour killings have developed into a very serious problem within the Muslim communities in Germany. The German authorities are still unsure how to deal with this disgusting phenomenon. Recently a German judge (female, not Muslim) told a Muslim wife that she could not speed up her divorce from her husband on the grounds that he had severely beaten her, “as this was not in contravention of Sharia law”.

Needless to say, the judge’s remarks were met with incredulity by the press, and even by some secular Muslim organisations…

I had heard about this lady’s musings already as early as 1996 when I came to Korea as a tourist.

So she has been “speaking” for quite while now…

It makes it sound as though the woman is known for her silence.

That should have read:

Muslim migrants from other countries, however, came to Germany because they were unable to make a living at home; and some, particularly from Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco, even left their native countries because they regarded the societies there (!) as too secular for their taste.

This may well have been true for the first generation who were generally uneducated but very, very diligent. And there was a demand for manual labour in the Germany of the 1960s and 70s.

The second generation are equally uneducated but have nevertheless realised that Germany is, unlike the US, simply not the country where you can climb the social ladder by running a small business. After all, the demand for döner kebab has met its natural limits long ago. Eating even more of that rather fatty stuff would lead to even more obesity among the population as a whole…

Other business areas in Germany are strictly regulated. To be admitted into the profession of a self-employed plumber, to give just one example, candidates would need around 7 years of part-time education, besides working as an employee in this field. Also, this kind of training can only be successfully completed by those with excellent language skills (which even the German underclass, such as the Neo-Nazis, are utterly lacking). So, no chance here for people who cannot read or write German properly.

Thus, there is a general shortage of craftsmen and their services are vastly overpriced. I find this system very silly, indeed, and have been advocating a liberalisation for years, which would benefit immigrants, as well as poorly educated natives. But the professional bodies are, of course, opposed to it, as a liberalisation would lead to increased competition and would thus diminish profits…

Small numbers of Turks or other Muslims have managed to build up businesses in unregulated areas, e.g. as owners and managers of small taxi fleets. These are the people who very quickly move out of the underclass areas, as they are themselves scared of the envy of their unemployed compatriots. I certainly wish them well…

“Turks, which comprise 2.4% of the population”

This number may well be correct, but Muslims here are not only of Turkish origin. Other groups come from Morocco, Mauretania, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Sudan, Turkmenistan, Tadzhikistan, Usbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, or Kazakhstan.

In contrast, the Iranian immigrants in Germany, although they are (secular) Muslims, as well, are generally educated, affluent, and well integrated. This is due to the fact that they were, even back in Iran, among the educational élite of their society. They left Iran in the wake of the Islamic Revolution in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Many Iranians in Germany work in the medical professions…

Muslim migrants from other countries, however, came to Germany because they were unable to make a living at home; and some, particularly from Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco even left because they regarded the societies in their home countries (!) as too secular for their taste.

Thus there is the absurd result that in Turkey there is mandatory co-education for boys and girls in all subjects, including sports, whereas Muslim organisations in Germany demand that the sexes be seperated as from the age of 10. There is presently a hefty debate going on here about this issue…

Nevertheless, the unemployed Muslims here are by no means starving. Like other citizens or landed immigrants they have full access to the cornucopia of social security, at the expense of the tax payer. The only groups who are excluded from this over-generous welfare system are illegal immigrants and foreign students (such as the numerous Korean Yuhaksaeng)…