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Yay!
It’s a drag to have to “work” at the office on the weekend, so thanks!
While I’m no fan of Christopher Hitchens, these excerpts from his book “God Is Not Great” are really stunning, esp. the first:
http://www.slate.com/id/2165033/entry/2165035/
And it seems the Marmot is now the outlet for serious news on Korea, while the Chosun gives us “Four Sexy Divas and How They Do It”
http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....70016.html
“Seo In-young maximizes her strong point with a fashion style that highlights her waist, hips and crotch.” Remember ladies, always highlight your crotch
With skirts getting as short as they are these days, the crotch is finally getting some much-due attention.
I gave much-due attention to the grout under my toe nails.
(it is an open thread)…
Girls, if it’s all about crotch highlights and ultra-mini skirts let me introduce you to an artisan of the Brazilian wax treatment. Me.
The Rapunzel look ain’t cute.
I also offer mini halogen lights that discretely attach to your shoes so that Monsieur Seouldout’s masterpiece is always in the limelight.
By appointment only.
I am in town, just so you know [open thread and all that...]
Welcome back, dda - I hope you have a great visit here.
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Come on Sonagi, you know you have felt a tickle in the past.
railwaycharm,
Hear ye, hear ye, Railway have spoken.
I agree. SK could not have existed in last fifty years without Mac. It is my personal belief that without Mac, the US would have pulled VietNam (running away when serious fighting starts) on Korea.
Maybe it has.
Anyway, Mac guaranteed the safety of Korea. And, Mac delivered. If Koreans are honest about their history, Mac should be the face on their currency. He beats out Sejong, Sinsaimdang or what have you. Even on looks alone.
With his sunglass army hat and pipe, he will make NKs’ cry by just looking at a won. Or, it maybe SKs’ who will cry after they lose their country to China within a couple of decades.
The biggest news this week is the possible sale of F-22s to Japan. With the kill rate of 143-0, F-22 seems invincible. Or is it just a sales hype?
Anyway, with the price tag of 100 millions per plane, the sale of one hundred planes will bring in over 10 billion dollars to defense companies. And, that amount over for rapairs, spair parts and training.
About three months ago, China announced that it has developed a brand new fighter plane that exceeds the capabilities F-15 series.
Japan had to do something. And, it is buying the most advanced fighter planes in the world. Japan sells cars to the US and buys fighter planes. Fair exchange. Good for both countries.
Now, the question is what Korea is going to do? With its recent history of two fighter planes dropping from sky due to insufficient maintenance? Some Korean Air Force brasses used the money for the welfare of troops - parties. The money was there and they spent it. Planes dropped.
Korea is in the middle of the future WWIII site and it doesn’t know what to do. It is too busy sucking up to its lost “brother”. The brother who still threatens him with nuclear bombs.
I never read the Herald these days, because its website is so f—- annoying.
Did it mention how the Korean males kept up right along side the Japanese and GI bastard the whole time? — as they do today?
Now that mobile phones are banned in many schools to keep kids from cheating, US students have switched to loading facts and formulas into iPods:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....d_cheating
erm, baduk:
“Anyway, Mac guaranteed the safety of [SOUTH] Korea. And, Mac delivered. If [SOUTH] Koreans are honest about their history, Mac [the Genocidal General] should be the face on their [i.e. ROK] currency.”
Or are folks north of the 38th no longer Korean? [You sycophant bitch.]
trachys,
There is no need to use abusive language. You are reading things into my writing.
I feel it is important to make distinction between what might have been and what it is. People in North Korea are under Communist regime and have been for fifty years. Right now, they will gladly kill SouthKoreans for KJI. And, enjoy doing it too.
Don’t assume they will feel guilty about killing SouthKoreans including old folks and babies. Brainwashing works. Especially done in national scale for long duration of time.
Let’s just face the realities. Do not assume they will be your brothers for some fortunate event that Kim Jongil and his Commie cronies are gone. North Koreans will forever be against SouthKoreans. They have a separate identity from SouthKoreans.
Unless SouthKoreans willingly give up their wealth, power and families to them, practicing share and share alike. If SKs really love NKs then they should do this, as SK Commies have been saying all along. Even be their slaves.
Love is blind.
If a people, who had the same historical heritage and speak the same language, had been separated for fifty years in hostile situation, it is historically proven that they will forever have different identity.
Unless they have a strong religious identity that can merge them back into one people.
Koreans do not.
I assume it happened many times in Africa and Europe that one people who had split for whatever the reason and stay split for fifty years had developed a separate identity.
Two Koreas will likely stay split. For economic reasons. For different political parties in control. For historical reasons. Etc, etc.
Unless KJI suddenly gets the word for the Chinese and attack SK and force two peoples to merge under him. Or, be killed.
SK Commies want that.
They don’t care about economy, Korea’s future, personal freedom, religious freedom, hightech, or whatever. They just want two Koreas to unite. Under whatever the political system.
But, they do not go to North Korea. They want to subjugate other South Koreans under their scheme of the world. Hey, other SKs do not want to pay that type of price for unification!
If these Commies are willing to live under such system, they should go to NK. Don’t take other SKs by force.
Before Korean War, many Korean including intellectuals thought Communism is lovely. No bosses. Everybody works and everyone shares. Heaven.
When they went to NK, a Russian trained monster, Kim IlSung got them. Made them into soldiers. Trained them to kill other Koreans who do not want to be Communists.[Bandongbunja, Shekki]
They came. They killed. They enslaved Seoulites.
Now, situation is similar. Many young people are filled with “unification” dream. They think it lovely.
Kim Jongil, Kim IlSung’s son, will get them. Use them to fulfill his dream of the total control of Korea. He will trained these young people to kill other Koreans who oppose the unification.
Dreamers always kill.
How did we get off my toe nails?…
I do want to plug the You Tube edits for promoting interest in NK Human Rights.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=NorthKoreaHR
If you have been looking at the American press this week, they have done next to nothing on the major NKHR Week going on in the US capital…..it’s pathetic.
I felt good this morning, because I saw a comment for one of the videos:
I felt good that I was finally able to do something that helped at least a little, but I felt guilty, because the drama of the videos (particularly that edit) stems from the North Koreans who suffered (and died) — it ain’t a movie — there is real life and inhuman suffering behind all that………
I’m hoping some of you will pass the link along to those on your email list - primarily those who have no connection or knowledge to Korea and encourage them to pass it on to others.
I’ve put a number of website addresses to groups like LiNK and other NGOs working specifically on NKHR issue………
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the world has its anger misdirected against George W. Bush, particularly concerning the environment.
True, the US hasn’t cut back on its consuming behavior, but the real dirty pig polluting the sky, the ocean, and the land is the People’s Republic of China.
Will they clean up, to allow a few weeks in 2008 Olympics to go well without toxic yellow wind hitting everywhere around Beijing?
Really, I hope so. Because they care shit about their neighbor’s welfare, but seem to care a ton about the 2008 Olympics.
I have an idea. Boycott the Beijing Olympics. Based on human rights abuse, stealing military technology, copyright abuse (yeah Korea does too but you don’t see them bragging about knock off US car models), environmental pollution.
I’m intrigued by the F-22. How is it able to have uncontested dominance over the F-16 and the F-15?
I hope the yellow wind ruins the Beijing Olympics, along with voluntary exit of the Olympic Games from thousands of atheletes complaining of filthy air.
WJK, right you are about China. The world has a love affair with China and with any love, its blind.
The F-22 is faster and more maneuverable than the 15 or 16, but the mission of dog fighting is not what Korea needs to worry about. The F-22 is far too much of an Airplane for the ROK. One should only look to the F-15 program to know that fact.
Trachys, what’s your opinion about the real masters of genocide who split Korea in two–Mao and Stalin? Please don’t be too predictable in your response.
Baduk, Shame on trachys! He was out of line to say those things to you! Go ahead and call him a pig fukcer, it will feel better.
I would not worry too much about Chinese air superiority. The Chinese tried to build their own jet up in Shenyang a few years ago. When they flied it they shut down all of the cell phone repeaters in the area. The Airplane is a real slow pig. Even if the Russians help (Build many and cheap) help-out, they are years away from making much of an impact.
I believe the F-22 is a stealth plane. The F-15 and F-16 (and I’d guess F-14 and any others) can’t match performance features with it, because they never know it is remotely close to them before it blows them out of the air (in simulation).
#24, another true measure. The F-22 does not have the lift capability of the F-15. The F-14 is no longer available in the catalog. Korea needs to understand G-lock and the upside of replacing man-hole covers on the apron before she can even imagine how to integrate an F-22 into a ROK wing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor
The source of Baduk’s “143-0″ kill ratio, scroll down about 3/4 of the way (”comparisons” paragraph).
I didn’t realize that it has already entered service with USAF in CONUS (two squadrons). One of which has already completed a deployment to Okinawa.
Paul H. All the stats that have been mentioned here are true. It is a stretch that Japan needs such a toy; it is overkill for Korea to even consider it. The attributes that make the F-22 nifty are not needed to protect the Peninsula. The FX program correctly chose the F-15 over the Euro fighter and the SU-35. The F-15 can carry its weight in weapons, can dogfight, and has the range to visit Dear leader many times over without in-air refueling. The stats for 143-0 are somewhat impressive if the airplane ever went up against a somewhat equal adversary. Many pundits and military strategists question the need for this weapon in light of the advanced network centric warfare that has evolved in recent times.
China is in full Gordon Gekko mode now (scroll down to #83):
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200704.brief.htm#083
Maybe railwaycharm or somebody else military oriented can answer this question for me:
How does the F-15K stack up again known North Korean air defense systems?
I did a long review of the FX selection debacle several years ago, and this is one question that kept popping into my head. Since Korea was using the F-4, an F-15 would be a major upgrade, and there was no way SK was going to get a US plane with stealth technology - back then or now - even if it wanted to spend the money to get them.
Anyway, I saw a documentary on the F-22 several months ago, and it covered mock battles with the F-15 and other aircraft and it seemed so good it was demoralizing for the other pilots.
railway’s right, my apologies baduk. One of these days I’ll learn to breathe and count to ten before posting.
Many commies in SK envision nothing like what is practiced in the north, so use smaller strokes with that brush.
michael, I don’t think portraits of Mao or Stalin should appear on any form of currency either. As with MacArthur, the second they had exhaled their final breaths, the world became a better place. Satisfied?
Late to the game and missed the comments, so wondering how one manages to get deleted from a open thread?
usinkorea,
How can I answer your question? Any aircraft is susceptible to anti-aircraft fire, SAMs, etc, in spite of stealth technology if the aircraft is low enough. Chaff has been used for years to confuse heat-seeking missiles and the like. To answer your immediate concern, the F-15 has fire and forget weapons that are deadly from afar. The JDAM is a good example of a dumb weapon with a smart kit that can fly for miles on a flat trajectory into the mouth of caves, miles from harm. The bigger factor with the Norks defense is ammunition and the ability to scramble jets in defense of their airspace. The Norks are using antiques in their gun emplacements and in their fighter wings, I would not be too concerned about the safety of SK’s F-4s, F-5s, F-16s, and now the F-15Ks. Sorry for the roundabout answer.
Iceberg, one of our posters went off their ritalin…Needs a cookie now.
I have a general question for the Marmots hole: What SPF should we apply to avoid exposure from the glow of burning books at this Blog? Some of the best ridicule and pejorative has been lost forever into the either. Pity in an avant-garde kind of way.
Perhaps this is a partially-open thread.
And, in full-disclosure on this apparantly partially-open thread, my comment above was in reply to Iceberg’s question.
Sonagi’s comment was deleted?! Sonagi?! She’s amongst the nicest and fairest-minded commenters here. It must’ve been a humdinger to run afoul of the open-thread policies. Pity I missed it.
And chance of a replay?
She’s amongst the nicest and fairest-minded commenters here.
Yes indeed! She even has the good taste to take proper shots at me.
And the funny thing is: still standing is Railway’s #9 comment in response to my #8 in response to his #7. Well, that makes a lot of sense.
Sigh…. Ah Da So……
I always wondered what the Hwarang were about. Some people say they were a glorious horse-riding warriors who happened wear makeup. Others say they were a band of homosexuals (not that there’s anything wrong with that) who happened to wear makeup.
My opinion? From what I’ve read, it sounds like they were an ancient Silla equivalent of slightly-more-martial Boy Scouts who happened wear makeup.
Park Geun-Hye and Lee Myeong-Bak both seem to be busy blaming each other for GNP’s “defeat” in the by-election. This is exactly why GNP is so hopeless. Backwards, corrupt, short-sighted, and just plain stupid.
Why can’t there be a decent party in Korea that can truly represent conservative values?
“the safety of SK’s F-4s,”
That answer was good enough. It was kinda what I figured. The thing about the F-4s answered another question I had back when the FX Selection Fiasco was ongoing.
I’d have to guess that if we just considered training and fuel, the North would have trouble stacking up in a war against South Korea’s forces in the air.
I remember back when Pyongyang tried to replicate the China spy plane crash situation, the press reported that NK doesn’t send its fighter planes up much for training due to fuel concerns.
Comments are deleted for being personal attacks, using inappropriate language, being off topic, inflamatory, breaking other rules. Nothing is off topic in an open thread, of course, so suffice it to say comments were deleted for other reasons.
So I guess the language is #23 is OK, then? Or is it an ironical and artistic reference to molesting swine?
#43 US, if you recall, when the Dokdo issue was full tilt and Japan sent the reconnaissance planes out? What was sent out as intercept? F-4s. They are antiques, but they have been rebuilt so many times they are quite flyable. Now the fact they loose one per year is another issue altogether!
This news item graced the CNN.com’s front page for a couple of days.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/.....index.html
ANOTHER taxi driver attacked!
So I guess the language is #23 is OK, then? Or is it an ironical and artistic reference to molesting swine?
And - perhaps so long as the Chosun mentions it first - it’s okay to talk about women’s crotches.
Why should pudendal discourse be verboten in the open thread? As long as it’s not an inflammatory act of course
Michael, good volley old boy!
Welcome to Korea Marmot’s Hole, the land of rule by discretionary fiat - the unpublished “other rules” and “informal guidance”. Even the country has gotten a little passed the point where everything was forbidden except was that expressly permitted (until the authorities denied that it had been).
“Why should pudendal discourse be verboten in the open thread?
Well, you can’t be too safe… perhaps Ban Ki Moon is checking out Marmot’s again…heh, heh.
Comments are deleted for being personal attacks, using inappropriate language, being off topic, inflamatory, breaking other rules. Nothing is off topic in an open thread, of course, so suffice it to say comments were deleted for other reasons.
Who knows the evil that lurks in the hearts of Man??? The oranckay knows…..
Who knows, perhaps Mr. Ban engages in pudendal discourse at the U.N.
OK, don’t shoot me sheriff
There’s a Ban involved all right. Ban Suk.
# 47, Bluetranslator:
I fully agree with the gist of the article you are linking to.
I would not be surprised at all if the sales of the F-22 will materialize, despite concerns of other nations in the region. This shows yet again the true colour of the us, the the world’s biggest arms exporter, thus, the most imminent treat to world peace. Check out this well-crafted docu-flick Why We Fight.
A.T.
If it was not for the U.S. and it’s lend lease/gifts, arms dealing, man-power provisioning, with the ROK, you would be speaking Chinese right now. How does Uncle Sam’s hand taste to you?
michael,
It’s true that Ban is a South Korean national. And, of course, it’s also true that women’s crotches are currently under a media highlight in his home country. In fact, they may also be under some close scrutiny from other outlets, or in other parts of Korean society. Still, in his role as UN Secretary General, I’m sure you’d agree that Ban should remain nonpartisan in pudendal discourse.
Agile turtle,
Why do you think Japan wants to buy F-22s? Because it wants to rule Asia once more?
No. Japan wants to rule Asia by its banking business, not by force.
Then why?
Japan is being threatened by North Korea and by China. Japan and China both want to be the number one in Asia. They have to fight to find out who is the boss. This China-Japan War will start within five years.
China has been preparing for this heavy weight fight for some time. And, North Koreans will be the first ones to attack Japan when the word comes from China.
The US will sell weapons to both countries. Why not? The Chinese are very sweet to us. Why should the US only love the Japanese with comfort women and all? The Chinese are very nice people as well. We should treat both countries equally. Sell weapons to both countries and provide humane assistance to both countries.
Don’t blame the US. China and Japan want to fight. The demand is there. If the US doesn’t supply, they will go to Russia, Germany and France to buy weapons.
Why not let the boys fight with good weapons?
SKs? What about SKs in this coming China-Japan War? Fools die.
Did anyone else catch this? Apparently the Pentagon official whose office would have to sign off on any foreign sale of the F-22 says they wouldn’t. Interesting.
Also “interesting” that Chosun buried this item in their National/Politics section with just a headline link, while the previous article (screaming that the Japanese sale was well nigh a done deal) got top billing on the home page.
railwaycharm
I have no time and energy to waste in responding to your hypothetical statements. Who knows, I might be speaking Japanese now if it were not for the U.S. or you might be a Commonwealth citizen now wiouth French. You should tell me how Uncle Sam’s hand tastes like before I try. I do not usually taste something awful in appearance.
Baduk,
What would possibly motivate China and Japan to go at it? Land aquisition? Simple competition? The leadership in Japan honoring a group of sadistic a-holes?
Korea and perhaps China among others are saying that Japan’s aqcuisition of F-22’s will start an arms race which is pure hooey. What started it is KJI and NK detonating an atomic weapon and firing some missiles in their direction. Now even though many say the detonation and missile firings were flops or nothing but smoke and mirrors it gave Japan the perfect excuse. And for Japan to gain these fighters should be an opportunity for them to pressure SK to quit being so limp wristed with their dealings with the North.
Jim McGreevey to attend seminary:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....r-seminary
Can anyone recommend a good Korean language book that lays out the chronology of Hwang Woo-Suk? Thanks.
agile turtle,
Are you new or just another transmogrification?
LMFAO! Add your own caption:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com.....fcfa_o.jpg
agile turtle,
Are you new or just another transmogrification?
I don’t think she understands what impact the US had on the outcome of the Korean War. Hypothetical?
Found this interesting–”Is Success Killing South Koreans?” and it came out before the VT shootings
http://www.newamerica.net/publ.....reans_5001