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		<title>By: Raymo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/24/coping-with-depression-and-mental-illness/comment-page-1/#comment-81546</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 15:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I picked this up from a blog recently. It more or less echoes my thoughts on this tragic event. You can also find some insightful follow-up comments.

Cho Seung-Hui Could be a Product of the Korean Dilemna

"Cho Seung-Hui. He will forever be infamous. He was a loner. Depressed. His family immigrated from South Korea. He murdered at least 30 people and killed himself at Virginia Tech."

"It may emerge that this boy was a time bomb created by the intensive up-bringing that is common to most Korean families. Although Seung-Hi Cho had been in the US for a long time, he was probably a product of the entrenched pressures of the Korean family; the pressure to academically succeed at the expense of childhood pleasures and the pressure to economically succeed at the expense of personal fulfillment." 

You can read the blog and some interesting responses here:
http://vivianjung.wordpress.com/2007...a/#comment-155</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I picked this up from a blog recently. It more or less echoes my thoughts on this tragic event. You can also find some insightful follow-up comments.</p>
<p>Cho Seung-Hui Could be a Product of the Korean Dilemna</p>
<p>&#8220;Cho Seung-Hui. He will forever be infamous. He was a loner. Depressed. His family immigrated from South Korea. He murdered at least 30 people and killed himself at Virginia Tech.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It may emerge that this boy was a time bomb created by the intensive up-bringing that is common to most Korean families. Although Seung-Hi Cho had been in the US for a long time, he was probably a product of the entrenched pressures of the Korean family; the pressure to academically succeed at the expense of childhood pleasures and the pressure to economically succeed at the expense of personal fulfillment.&#8221; </p>
<p>You can read the blog and some interesting responses here:<br />
<a href="http://vivianjung.wordpress.com/2007...a/#comment-155" rel="nofollow">http://vivianjung.wordpress.co.....omment-155</a></p>
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		<title>By: empraptor</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/24/coping-with-depression-and-mental-illness/comment-page-1/#comment-80365</link>
		<dc:creator>empraptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's something that's related to this thread (finally.  kinda.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18293284/site/newsweek/

"Psychology: Why Some People Don't Learn From Their Mistakes"

It's states from the beginning that it's not meant to apply to extreme cases like VT killer but the article says that undesired patterns of behavior such as antisocial behavior and addiction may have its roots in inability to learn well from mistakes.

It refers to a study in which subjects were rated on "impulsivity and antisocial behavior" and monitored EEG's as they made mistakes in a difficult task.

&lt;blockquote&gt;As reported in the April issue of the journal Psychological Science, the subjects who were most impulsive and antisocial had EEGs that were quite different from those who were low on these traits. Specifically, the electrical pulse associated with error monitoring was much lower in this group, and it was lower immediately after the subjects erred on a test item, suggesting that the brain's normal response to making mistakes was malfunctioning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something that&#8217;s related to this thread (finally.  kinda.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18293284/site/newsweek/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18...../newsweek/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Psychology: Why Some People Don&#8217;t Learn From Their Mistakes&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s states from the beginning that it&#8217;s not meant to apply to extreme cases like VT killer but the article says that undesired patterns of behavior such as antisocial behavior and addiction may have its roots in inability to learn well from mistakes.</p>
<p>It refers to a study in which subjects were rated on &#8220;impulsivity and antisocial behavior&#8221; and monitored EEG&#8217;s as they made mistakes in a difficult task.</p>
<blockquote><p>As reported in the April issue of the journal Psychological Science, the subjects who were most impulsive and antisocial had EEGs that were quite different from those who were low on these traits. Specifically, the electrical pulse associated with error monitoring was much lower in this group, and it was lower immediately after the subjects erred on a test item, suggesting that the brain&#8217;s normal response to making mistakes was malfunctioning.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: empraptor</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/24/coping-with-depression-and-mental-illness/comment-page-1/#comment-80349</link>
		<dc:creator>empraptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That facebook-picture-gets-you-free-strap-jacket incident was at a college in NY, apparently.

Some students formed a facebook group about it.

http://cobleskill.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2332917106

&lt;blockquote&gt;For all those who dont know the situation at all and to clarify the situation for those who do know...Thar was taken thursday morning 4/19/2007 from his house by UPD...UPD just was an escort arranged by Vice President of student affairs Steve Ackerknecht. He was not put in hand cuffs, he was not arrested but was asked (with VERY strong suggestion) He is now in fox mental hospital in oneonta and is still there going through psychological testing, physical testing, cat scans, etc. and could be there for a while. This is completely unnecessary and out of line. This should have never went this far even remotely.And all of this is because the administrative staff was looking through facebook and saw that Thars default picture was set to him holding a shotgun with an angry look on his face and his status was set to "Thar is tired of people talking shit about his school" referencing a facebook group called The new housing agreement sucks. there was also posts on his wall referring to an on going long term inside joke with almost all of Thar's close friends that he is a terrorist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That facebook-picture-gets-you-free-strap-jacket incident was at a college in NY, apparently.</p>
<p>Some students formed a facebook group about it.</p>
<p><a href="http://cobleskill.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2332917106" rel="nofollow">http://cobleskill.facebook.com.....2332917106</a></p>
<blockquote><p>For all those who dont know the situation at all and to clarify the situation for those who do know&#8230;Thar was taken thursday morning 4/19/2007 from his house by UPD&#8230;UPD just was an escort arranged by Vice President of student affairs Steve Ackerknecht. He was not put in hand cuffs, he was not arrested but was asked (with VERY strong suggestion) He is now in fox mental hospital in oneonta and is still there going through psychological testing, physical testing, cat scans, etc. and could be there for a while. This is completely unnecessary and out of line. This should have never went this far even remotely.And all of this is because the administrative staff was looking through facebook and saw that Thars default picture was set to him holding a shotgun with an angry look on his face and his status was set to &#8220;Thar is tired of people talking shit about his school&#8221; referencing a facebook group called The new housing agreement sucks. there was also posts on his wall referring to an on going long term inside joke with almost all of Thar&#8217;s close friends that he is a terrorist.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: empraptor</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/24/coping-with-depression-and-mental-illness/comment-page-1/#comment-80346</link>
		<dc:creator>empraptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, there's no independent confirmation of that Arkansas thing.  That's why I thought it might be a hoax, but enough people found it interesting to get it on Digg.  And not everyone follows policies and procedures even if they know them.

Some local news reports that a student was put in a psychiatric center for a facebook picture of him with a shotgun.

http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/meepegama_22546___article.html/picture_says.html

The article says he put it up a few days after VT killing.  Someone who knew him says it was put up before the shooting.  Also says he's been detained for at least 5 days.

http://reddit.com/info/1kogw/comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, there&#8217;s no independent confirmation of that Arkansas thing.  That&#8217;s why I thought it might be a hoax, but enough people found it interesting to get it on Digg.  And not everyone follows policies and procedures even if they know them.</p>
<p>Some local news reports that a student was put in a psychiatric center for a facebook picture of him with a shotgun.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/meepegama_22546___article.html/picture_says.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbs6albany.com/news....._says.html</a></p>
<p>The article says he put it up a few days after VT killing.  Someone who knew him says it was put up before the shooting.  Also says he&#8217;s been detained for at least 5 days.</p>
<p><a href="http://reddit.com/info/1kogw/comments" rel="nofollow">http://reddit.com/info/1kogw/comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: seouldout</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/24/coping-with-depression-and-mental-illness/comment-page-1/#comment-80321</link>
		<dc:creator>seouldout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metro,

Your opinions, unlike those of the vernacular press, don't strike me coming from a fanciful mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metro,</p>
<p>Your opinions, unlike those of the vernacular press, don&#8217;t strike me coming from a fanciful mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/24/coping-with-depression-and-mental-illness/comment-page-1/#comment-80317</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad.  The alleged incident did happen a few days ago.  I am still doubtful and wouldn't bother passing along the story since there is no independent verification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad.  The alleged incident did happen a few days ago.  I am still doubtful and wouldn&#8217;t bother passing along the story since there is no independent verification.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/24/coping-with-depression-and-mental-illness/comment-page-1/#comment-80316</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enraptor wrote:

&lt;i&gt;"I would check up on whether this is a hoax, but some school in Arkansas supposedly expelled a 16yo for being quiet and Asian."&lt;/i&gt;

I checked out the link and noticed that the story first appeared in Nov. 2005.  The OP claimed that the story would be on that evening's news.  I could not find any independent verification by googling.  As a school teacher, I am highly suspicious of the student being immediately expelled.  There are &lt;b&gt;policies and procedures&lt;/b&gt; that must be followed.  I cannot see a student getting expelled for wearing a t-shirt, no matter how offensive, suspended, yes, expelled, no.  One mustn't believe everything one reads in anonymous forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enraptor wrote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I would check up on whether this is a hoax, but some school in Arkansas supposedly expelled a 16yo for being quiet and Asian.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I checked out the link and noticed that the story first appeared in Nov. 2005.  The OP claimed that the story would be on that evening&#8217;s news.  I could not find any independent verification by googling.  As a school teacher, I am highly suspicious of the student being immediately expelled.  There are <b>policies and procedures</b> that must be followed.  I cannot see a student getting expelled for wearing a t-shirt, no matter how offensive, suspended, yes, expelled, no.  One mustn&#8217;t believe everything one reads in anonymous forums.</p>
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		<title>By: babarian</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/24/coping-with-depression-and-mental-illness/comment-page-1/#comment-80297</link>
		<dc:creator>babarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that the great majority of Koreans do not recognise depression as serious illness.  That's why there're not many psychologists or psychiatrists in Korea.  I think it'll take quite  some time before they'll eventually do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the great majority of Koreans do not recognise depression as serious illness.  That&#8217;s why there&#8217;re not many psychologists or psychiatrists in Korea.  I think it&#8217;ll take quite  some time before they&#8217;ll eventually do.</p>
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		<title>By: empraptor</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/24/coping-with-depression-and-mental-illness/comment-page-1/#comment-80291</link>
		<dc:creator>empraptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2446354&#38;perpage=40&#38;pagenumber=4#post326639053

Somewhere between the complaint about the kid being "quiet and Asian" and him being expelled, his cousin was called in.

&lt;blockquote&gt;My 14 year old cousin just got back home and told our aunt that the school called her into the office today in the morning (everything else just happened a few hours ago), and she told them Josh about a conversation she and Josh had a few days ago

Her: you're going to kill everyone in the school aren't you
Him: if i did I'd start with all the people who won't shut up about me doing it
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So meh.  I suppose it's within bounds of something to be expected if you're heard saying stupid crap like that a week after a massacre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2446354&amp;perpage=40&amp;pagenumber=4#post326639053" rel="nofollow">http://forums.somethingawful.c.....t326639053</a></p>
<p>Somewhere between the complaint about the kid being &#8220;quiet and Asian&#8221; and him being expelled, his cousin was called in.</p>
<blockquote><p>My 14 year old cousin just got back home and told our aunt that the school called her into the office today in the morning (everything else just happened a few hours ago), and she told them Josh about a conversation she and Josh had a few days ago</p>
<p>Her: you&#8217;re going to kill everyone in the school aren&#8217;t you<br />
Him: if i did I&#8217;d start with all the people who won&#8217;t shut up about me doing it
</p></blockquote>
<p>So meh.  I suppose it&#8217;s within bounds of something to be expected if you&#8217;re heard saying stupid crap like that a week after a massacre.</p>
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		<title>By: empraptor</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/24/coping-with-depression-and-mental-illness/comment-page-1/#comment-80288</link>
		<dc:creator>empraptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would check up on whether this is a hoax, but some school in Arkansas supposedly expelled a 16yo for being quiet and Asian.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2446354

It got on Digg so it's bound to be common knowledge among geeks everywhere.

The discussion on the forum seems to be back and forth of "is this real?" and "i'll believe it because it's Arkansas".

&lt;blockquote&gt;My 16 year old, half Japanese brother, Joshua, was just expelled from high school in a small Arkansas town.

Apparently, someone took offense to a shirt he wore before the VT killings with "4 out of the 5 voices in my head tell me to go for it" on the front, and complained to the office about him being "asian and quiet". Exact words.

The school contacted the police, the police and principal called him to their office along with my mother to arrest him/interrogate him, and they let loose their most damning evidence: His myspace had anime killing of indiscriminate aliens. With lasers. (No idea what anime it is, I don't watch the poo poo).

...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry for being off-topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would check up on whether this is a hoax, but some school in Arkansas supposedly expelled a 16yo for being quiet and Asian.</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2446354" rel="nofollow">http://forums.somethingawful.c.....id=2446354</a></p>
<p>It got on Digg so it&#8217;s bound to be common knowledge among geeks everywhere.</p>
<p>The discussion on the forum seems to be back and forth of &#8220;is this real?&#8221; and &#8220;i&#8217;ll believe it because it&#8217;s Arkansas&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>My 16 year old, half Japanese brother, Joshua, was just expelled from high school in a small Arkansas town.</p>
<p>Apparently, someone took offense to a shirt he wore before the VT killings with &#8220;4 out of the 5 voices in my head tell me to go for it&#8221; on the front, and complained to the office about him being &#8220;asian and quiet&#8221;. Exact words.</p>
<p>The school contacted the police, the police and principal called him to their office along with my mother to arrest him/interrogate him, and they let loose their most damning evidence: His myspace had anime killing of indiscriminate aliens. With lasers. (No idea what anime it is, I don&#8217;t watch the poo poo).</p>
<p>&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry for being off-topic.</p>
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