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		<title>By: mins0306</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/16/ohmy-bundeswehr/#comment-77985</link>
		<dc:creator>mins0306</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the Bundeswehr is itself a very colorful organization.  Heck even the former Chilean dictator Pinochet called the Bundeswehr a bunch of long haired drug smoking hippies.  Despite Pinochet's comments the Bundeswehr is a very dedicated and capable army and I have to admit its soldiers look a lot sharper than the soldiers of the ROK Army.

Anyways, swearing among servicemen/women is a common occurence in any military.  So although some people might get offended with the language in the video, one shouldn't put too much meaning into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the Bundeswehr is itself a very colorful organization.  Heck even the former Chilean dictator Pinochet called the Bundeswehr a bunch of long haired drug smoking hippies.  Despite Pinochet&#8217;s comments the Bundeswehr is a very dedicated and capable army and I have to admit its soldiers look a lot sharper than the soldiers of the ROK Army.</p>
<p>Anyways, swearing among servicemen/women is a common occurence in any military.  So although some people might get offended with the language in the video, one shouldn&#8217;t put too much meaning into it.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/16/ohmy-bundeswehr/#comment-77923</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/16/ohmy-bundeswehr/#comment-77917</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14 Netizen Kim: 

"I would bet they felt rather nostalgic watching that film!"

Actually, to give you a serious answer, I didn't detect any such sentiment among the young officer and his soldiers (two squads worth?) who served as demonstrators for us in the preliminary training.  

I remember watching them with interest as it was an unusual opportunity to interact with German troops (this was (and probably still is) suprisingly rare among US Army troops stationed in Germany, as both military establishments trained almost exclusively amongst themselves.  There is no parallel to the "KATUSA" program for US Army in Germany).  

They were well-disciplined, in fact I credited them for better discipline than we had in our unit at that time.  Young German officer was extremely formal and (I thought) excessively polite in his orders and directives to his soldiers. 

Everything was on an exacting schedule, start at this time and finish at this one.  Nothing unmilitary about that of course, still I knew at the time that the German Army was unionized, and I thought I could observe indicators of this. 

A scheduled exercise was going to be definitely finished at xxxx (1600 or whenever it was), regardless of how well things were going, since that was the scheduled "knock-off" time for the duty day.  

If we Americans wanted to stay on our own and keep working, no problem, but there wasn't going to be any overtime for the Germans. 

It's a good deal, n.k., when all you have to do is train to fight on only your home turf.  There wasn't any question in the 1970's that the German Army would ever have to deploy anywhere than to their own eastern border, to defend the boundaries of the FRG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 Netizen Kim: </p>
<p>&#8220;I would bet they felt rather nostalgic watching that film!&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, to give you a serious answer, I didn&#8217;t detect any such sentiment among the young officer and his soldiers (two squads worth?) who served as demonstrators for us in the preliminary training.  </p>
<p>I remember watching them with interest as it was an unusual opportunity to interact with German troops (this was (and probably still is) suprisingly rare among US Army troops stationed in Germany, as both military establishments trained almost exclusively amongst themselves.  There is no parallel to the &#8220;KATUSA&#8221; program for US Army in Germany).  </p>
<p>They were well-disciplined, in fact I credited them for better discipline than we had in our unit at that time.  Young German officer was extremely formal and (I thought) excessively polite in his orders and directives to his soldiers. </p>
<p>Everything was on an exacting schedule, start at this time and finish at this one.  Nothing unmilitary about that of course, still I knew at the time that the German Army was unionized, and I thought I could observe indicators of this. </p>
<p>A scheduled exercise was going to be definitely finished at xxxx (1600 or whenever it was), regardless of how well things were going, since that was the scheduled &#8220;knock-off&#8221; time for the duty day.  </p>
<p>If we Americans wanted to stay on our own and keep working, no problem, but there wasn&#8217;t going to be any overtime for the Germans. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good deal, n.k., when all you have to do is train to fight on only your home turf.  There wasn&#8217;t any question in the 1970&#8217;s that the German Army would ever have to deploy anywhere than to their own eastern border, to defend the boundaries of the FRG.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/16/ohmy-bundeswehr/#comment-77915</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>white flight created an interesting political situation in America.  Entire voting districts became populated by minority races, enabling these minorities to get elected to the US House of Representatives.  But, also interestingly, virtually none in the US Senate.  If you call what, 2,3, 1 out of 50 in Senate pretty significant, then I'd say that's not anywhere near representative of the whole US population % wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>white flight created an interesting political situation in America.  Entire voting districts became populated by minority races, enabling these minorities to get elected to the US House of Representatives.  But, also interestingly, virtually none in the US Senate.  If you call what, 2,3, 1 out of 50 in Senate pretty significant, then I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s not anywhere near representative of the whole US population % wise.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/16/ohmy-bundeswehr/#comment-77914</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you're not gonna say that white flight doesn't exist, right?

A dude in Staten Island told me a lot of the Italians used to be in Brooklyn.  Then, they moved to Staten Island.

I asked him why, and it was basically because colored people moved in.

White flight overseas.

South Africa.

Ever met a white guy talking in some accent that's not British, and not American yet surely different?  I've met a lot of South African whites in America.  I don't have to ask them why they moved in the 90s.  I mean, you could watch a documentary of South Africa after Nelson Mandela and get your own answer.

They went everywhere.  Mostly where whites are.  Europe, US, Canada, etc.

That said, Nobel Peace Prize was, is, and will be a political prize.  Mandela deserves the prize for bringing justice to South Africa.  However, I think he did a bad job in stabilizing race relations afterward.  Massive, massive white flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re not gonna say that white flight doesn&#8217;t exist, right?</p>
<p>A dude in Staten Island told me a lot of the Italians used to be in Brooklyn.  Then, they moved to Staten Island.</p>
<p>I asked him why, and it was basically because colored people moved in.</p>
<p>White flight overseas.</p>
<p>South Africa.</p>
<p>Ever met a white guy talking in some accent that&#8217;s not British, and not American yet surely different?  I&#8217;ve met a lot of South African whites in America.  I don&#8217;t have to ask them why they moved in the 90s.  I mean, you could watch a documentary of South Africa after Nelson Mandela and get your own answer.</p>
<p>They went everywhere.  Mostly where whites are.  Europe, US, Canada, etc.</p>
<p>That said, Nobel Peace Prize was, is, and will be a political prize.  Mandela deserves the prize for bringing justice to South Africa.  However, I think he did a bad job in stabilizing race relations afterward.  Massive, massive white flight.</p>
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		<title>By: Netizen Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Netizen Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;at that time they were still using a WWII era training film, yes indeed my friends it was one of their own, right from the glory days!&lt;/i&gt;

I would bet they felt rather nostalgic watching that film!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>at that time they were still using a WWII era training film, yes indeed my friends it was one of their own, right from the glory days!</i></p>
<p>I would bet they felt rather nostalgic watching that film!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And say hey Willy Mays -- who (whom?) is the ROK Army using for target practice in their training films these days? 

It's gotta be on Youtube, right?  Sorry, I'm not computer-savvy enough to go search for myself.  

Probably some vaguely Japanese looking chap.  Still, I'm hoping for the grinning Alfred E Neumann type portrait of President Bush.  By God, if that can't inspire a new ROK recruit to grunt enthusiastically, as he thrusts his bayonet forward -- I don't know what will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And say hey Willy Mays &#8212; who (whom?) is the ROK Army using for target practice in their training films these days? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s gotta be on Youtube, right?  Sorry, I&#8217;m not computer-savvy enough to go search for myself.  </p>
<p>Probably some vaguely Japanese looking chap.  Still, I&#8217;m hoping for the grinning Alfred E Neumann type portrait of President Bush.  By God, if that can&#8217;t inspire a new ROK recruit to grunt enthusiastically, as he thrusts his bayonet forward &#8212; I don&#8217;t know what will.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/16/ohmy-bundeswehr/#comment-77910</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"....How many logical fallacies can you identify in the string of multiple posts by wjk?"

I'm not inclined to try, since I don't want to give myself a headache, but I must say I greatly admire how wjk was able to turn a vastly amusing Bundeswehr training film into a comprehensive indictment of US society.  Let's overlook any possible fallacies and give wjk an "A" for comprehensive creativity.  

But I really do think, wjk, that we have to give credit to the Bundewehr for thinking this one up for themselves.  I know Federal Republic of Germany Luftwaffe persnonel have trained with their US counterparts ever since the reconstitution of an independent FRG military (1955?), but as far as I know, since the very beginning German Bundeswehr troops have been trained by only their own training establishment.  After all, it's not as though they lacked for extremely experienced Army personnel of their own, back at that time.

In 1978 our battalion (based in Germany) trained at the German infantry school, but under the supervision of our own officers/NCO's.  We did get to see a German army training film, on combat in forests and cities; at that time they were still using a WWII era training film, yes indeed my friends it wwas one of their own, right from the glory days! 

Coal bucket helmets, potato masher grenades, etc. etc; sehr gemutlich.  No Nazi insignia or politics of course, it was strictly techical military tactics.  And I have to say that their school was very good.

No imported US Army training films for them! "Vielen dank" very much.  

I guess the old WWII films must have finally worn out, and unsere freunde must have needed aappropriate target subjects for a new one.  When that happens -- hey, who ya gonna call?  

Can't use the traditional enemies of the Reich.  Not the Brits, cause you know the BBC is gonna get the story.  Certainly not the French and the Poles, cause they'll scream bloody murder and maybe cut off trade.  

And certainly not the Russkies!  They'd be liable to send somebody to sidle slyly up to the unsuspecting filmmaker, maybe serve him a samovar of tasty polonium tea. 

Yes, there can be only logical choice, for the thinking German of 2007.  Just consult the national opinion polls, und alles werden klar.   

I think I'll email the link to Fox news channel, should be fun to watch if they run with it.  I imagine an enterprising BBC reporter was aware of the US obsession with the Imus story, then he saw this item somewhere in German media and ran with it.  

Give that BBC reporter an "E" for expert marksmanship (or however the British Army measures that skill, out on the rifle range).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;.How many logical fallacies can you identify in the string of multiple posts by wjk?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not inclined to try, since I don&#8217;t want to give myself a headache, but I must say I greatly admire how wjk was able to turn a vastly amusing Bundeswehr training film into a comprehensive indictment of US society.  Let&#8217;s overlook any possible fallacies and give wjk an &#8220;A&#8221; for comprehensive creativity.  </p>
<p>But I really do think, wjk, that we have to give credit to the Bundewehr for thinking this one up for themselves.  I know Federal Republic of Germany Luftwaffe persnonel have trained with their US counterparts ever since the reconstitution of an independent FRG military (1955?), but as far as I know, since the very beginning German Bundeswehr troops have been trained by only their own training establishment.  After all, it&#8217;s not as though they lacked for extremely experienced Army personnel of their own, back at that time.</p>
<p>In 1978 our battalion (based in Germany) trained at the German infantry school, but under the supervision of our own officers/NCO&#8217;s.  We did get to see a German army training film, on combat in forests and cities; at that time they were still using a WWII era training film, yes indeed my friends it wwas one of their own, right from the glory days! </p>
<p>Coal bucket helmets, potato masher grenades, etc. etc; sehr gemutlich.  No Nazi insignia or politics of course, it was strictly techical military tactics.  And I have to say that their school was very good.</p>
<p>No imported US Army training films for them! &#8220;Vielen dank&#8221; very much.  </p>
<p>I guess the old WWII films must have finally worn out, and unsere freunde must have needed aappropriate target subjects for a new one.  When that happens &#8212; hey, who ya gonna call?  </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t use the traditional enemies of the Reich.  Not the Brits, cause you know the BBC is gonna get the story.  Certainly not the French and the Poles, cause they&#8217;ll scream bloody murder and maybe cut off trade.  </p>
<p>And certainly not the Russkies!  They&#8217;d be liable to send somebody to sidle slyly up to the unsuspecting filmmaker, maybe serve him a samovar of tasty polonium tea. </p>
<p>Yes, there can be only logical choice, for the thinking German of 2007.  Just consult the national opinion polls, und alles werden klar.   </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll email the link to Fox news channel, should be fun to watch if they run with it.  I imagine an enterprising BBC reporter was aware of the US obsession with the Imus story, then he saw this item somewhere in German media and ran with it.  </p>
<p>Give that BBC reporter an &#8220;E&#8221; for expert marksmanship (or however the British Army measures that skill, out on the rifle range).</p>
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		<title>By: Netizen Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/16/ohmy-bundeswehr/#comment-77906</link>
		<dc:creator>Netizen Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy Schiesse, the Bronx borough president's name is "Adolfo".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Schiesse, the Bronx borough president&#8217;s name is &#8220;Adolfo&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quiz for fellow Marmoters:

How many logical fallacies can you identify in the string of multiple posts by wjk?</description>
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<p>How many logical fallacies can you identify in the string of multiple posts by wjk?</p>
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