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“Actually, there are some Koreans who are brave enough to offer a [sic] objective point of view.

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/.....ort-women/ ”

So then shakuhachi’s rhetorical question (#2) implying that Koreans don’t argue both sides like the Japanese was false. However, even with the link you provide, my statement still stands. Young Korean women were by and large abducted and forced rather than seeking employment and liking it. Some Koreans being involved does not change that and is not surprising given that there were Japanese collaborators. But still, a step-father selling his step-daughter to the Japanese is not equivalent to an independent Korean government selling women to the Japanese, which did not happen.

“The problem is many Koreans are simply afraid of people who are different and get angry when people have different view than their own.”

No shit.

The other problem is that many Japanese are filthy animals that sit around all day watching hentai to fulfill their robot-tentacle-rape fantasies in between running computer simulations to determine the statistical probability of recapturing territory lost at the end of WWII.

“People like Han Seung-jo and Cho Yeong-nam who express ed [sic] pro-Japanese views got ostracized and even had to quit their jobs.”

Hmmm… More examples of shakuhachi’s rhetorical question being false.

The Koreans effectively own Dokdo, even setting history aside, given that only they occupy it. So, I can agree that, rather than throwing childish tantrums, a collective yawn or collective snickering and finger pointing is more in order whenever Japan wants to whine otherwise.

I also wholeheartedly agree with those saying that more focus and uproar needs to be pointed at the murderous Norks.

And if you have any other good information that is not part of the answer to the questions, please don’t hesitate to add it to the response. I will really appreciate and will be thankful to receive your response.

Most war documents were burnt by the Japanese when the war ended. Some of these documents managed to survive although they are well hidden. And now there is direct evidence that the Japanese government coerced women into prostitution with cooperation of the military police. German based journalist Taichiro Kajimura has managed to uncover war documents that prove not only coercion but also direct orders from the Japanese government. The military forced women into prostitution, those who resisted where arrested and eventually forced. Those who tried to quit or leave were also arrested. Sounds like slavery to me.

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/403507

So what do you Japan apologists have to say about this? What excuse will Abe make this time? Abe was already humiliated back in 1993 when evidence of Japans involvement with brothels and sex slavery was proven. Thanks to Yoshiaki Yoshimi.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03.....mp;ei=5070

And now in 2007 Abe is humiliated once again thanks to Taichiro Kajimura. Its only a matter of time before Honda passes his comfort women resolution through the US congress which will further humiliate Abe and his right wing cronies. Can the Japanese government continue to deny this without embarrassing themselves even further.

An interesting fact for all you Yasukuni supporters: Apparently, you can be enshrined at Yasukuni by simply forcing women into prostitution. No need to die for your country, no need to fight at all. Nope, all you need to do is enslave women. Im pretty sure the japanese public is very proud of the fact their loved ones enshrined at Yasukuni share the same spot and honor as pimps, mass murderers, rapists and war criminals.
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Culture of hatred? No, its quite obvious that the Japanese government is acting in such a way that promotes hatred amongst her victims. Thats the difference. Japan punched Korea in the face. Then when Korea asked Japan why? Japan apologizes then spits on Koreas face. Korea wipes the spit off his face and is annoyed but Japan claims that he already apologized and then spits on Korea again thus annoying Korea even further. This somewhat explains the current situation. If you honestly think Korea is at fault here then you really need to study history and lay off the pro Japan bias.

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The problem is you don’t want to see the problem. The problem is that many women were exploited by men, troops, war.

I don’t shift the blame.

Japan was to blame, Japan was blamed and Japan apologized, set up the fund.

Korea has committed the same crime she does not blame herself.

You show incredible insensitivity towards the victims of Korea women by Korean brokers, and Korean society and government.

It is now evident that some of you want to use this issue just to excercise the culture of the hatred rather than help the victim.

That is Korean national dignity, isn’t it?—for some reason , I kind of expected it, but I hope the perception will change, for the sake of Korea.

Now then this brings me to my main point. Did you bother to read anything I wrote? First id like to ask you where the evidence that most of comfort women were forced by Korean pimps? And even if this were the case(unlikely) who was it that funded, supported and made these people commit these atrocities. No one is denying that prostitution existed in Korea before and after Japanese imperialism. For example you bring out a link that shows that slavery existed before Japanese occupation(obvious fact that all Koreans know and is even shown on Korean dramas) and that Korea still has prostitutes in modern times(which is hardly news at all). So tell me, what are you trying to point with stating the obvious? Do you really consider this evidence or an attempt to smear a country? If it is evidence then how exactly does this prove anything. All your links and supposed evidence has nothing to do with the comfort women that existed during Japanese occupation. Comfort women being those who were tricked and forced into military brothels and repeatedly each day by Japanese troops.

The Korean media is more credible and informed then the Japanese media. Dont you think its a little bit odd that just about every single non Japaneses media outlet and university professor(certain Japanese professors agree with the comfort women side) and human rights organizations disagree with the Japanese side when it comes to comfort women? Im talking about professors and historians with decades of experience. Do you honestly think that Japanese right wingers who drive big black vans and claim that Nanking never existed is more credible then some of the worlds greatest historians and professors? Give me a break. Anyways i read your post a second time and I havent really found anything that constitutes evidence. In fact the whole purpose of your post was to simply mention that prostitutes exists today and in the past(so obvious). Rape exists in Japan(past, present and certainly the future) so if we go by your logic(the same logic as your prostitution past and present) the Japanese are clearly guilty of large scale rape.

No matter how much Japanese police regulated brokers,( most of whom I claimed to be Korean in the peninsula, )whether illegal brothels were closed or not, it is a fact some women were living in miserable condition, and Japan was to blame for it.

It is only that some of you do not want to admit that Japan acknowledged she was wrong, she apologized, and set up the fund.

At the same time, it is a fact that,

Korea has had the similar system with or without Japanese rule and Korea has not faced the fact, has not apologized, has not set up the fund while keeping blaming Japan who has already apologized.

VG866 wrote:
“they(Koreans) just want justice and some national dignity for her people. ”

Huh?
What happened to the ex-comfort women
who were pressured from Korean nationalists to reject the fund from Japanese government?
What happened to comfort women during Korean war/ around A-town, and what is happening to Korean women who have been trafficked by Korean pimps as ever?

VG866 wrote
“Ponta: You constantly fail to make logical statements with any concrete proof. ”

Before Japanese rule:
Korea had a slave system in which a woman was forced to be a rented wife:
http://www.swop-usa.org/news/KoreaCamptownPros.php

During Japanese rule:
Korean pimps recruited Korean women into brothels deceptively or forcibly.

(I claimed that most of the pimps involved were Korean, citing statistics, and testimonies, and other indirect evidences, if you have counter argument, I am willing to listen.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/.....ment-76255
As a side note, again, it does not mean Japan was not blame, she was to blame, hence, she apologized)

after Japanese rule
During Korean war, Korean troop had the same system as Japanese comfort station.
http://www.ohmynews.com/articl.....code=67635
Around A-town, “U.S. military-oriented prostitution in Korea is not simply a matter of women walking the streets and picking up U.S. soldiers for a few bucks. It is a system that is sponsored and regulated by two governments, Korean and American” (Sex among allies, Katharine H. S. Moon)

“South Korea is primarily a country of destination, but it is also a country of origin and transit for trafficking in women and children.”
http://www.protectionproject.org/sko.doc.

If you want to other “proofs”, feel free to ask me; I am willing to present more documents.
I am afraid you are either deceived by Korean media if you are not informed of the facts above, or you just don’t want to see it.

And the reaction to that?

“Japan is worse!!!!”

“No black slave sold himself or herself. No black slave got paid for his or her labor. Korean comfort women got paid many times as much as Japanese military officers did. Most of the Korean comfort women volunteered to do so while some of them were cheated by pimps or sold by their parents.”

Wrong, blacks sold blacks. Captured enemies were rounded up and sold for a profit to Europeon slavers. Does this diminish any guilt on the Europeon party for simply buying the slaves? No it does not. Should all blame go towards Africans? Heck no. This is like someone giving you a stolen credit card, and you using the stolen credit card to buy stuff. You might not be the theif who stole the credit card, but you are the theif who used it. The same is true with slavery and comfort women. Most of the blame lies on the Japanese side. They were the ones responsible for creating the environement, setting up the brothels, maintaing them and recruiting women threw a variety of different means(a large number of them truly deplorable).

Ponta: You constantly fail to make logical statements with any concrete proof. Koreans did have prostitution before Japanese arrival and to tell you the truth just about every single country in the world had prostitution. You have answered none of our questions and you always avoid doing so. Instead your typical tactic is to somehow shift blame on the Koreans. African slaves were paid with food, housing and medicine. Roman gladiators and Roman slaves were given small sums of money so that they could later buy themselves out of slavery. Do you honestly think money determines slavery? Promising someone a job as a nurse or as a cleaning lady only to send them off to a far off country(where you cannot escape) and then throwing them into prostitution is obviously sexual slavery. Kidnapping a young girl and sending her off to some military camp is another example. Even if a Korea pimp sold someone into slavery, the blame lies mostly on the the Japanese government for buying and using those sexual slaves(remember my credit card analogy). As well as the Japanese government for supporting and paying Korean pimps(thus making Korean pimps richer and more numerous). Blame resides primarily on the Japanese. No matter how much you twist or distort the facts, Japan is clearly responsible.

I agree with pawikirogi you are doing your side a diservice by refusing to answer questions or provide proof. In the end you are only making your side look even less credibile. Your counter arguments are even more elementary and weak then your arguments. Each year hundreds of people are kidnapped in Japan. One of the most memorable cases was when some sick pervert in Japan kidnapped a 10 year old and then proceeded to rape and lock her up in his house for 10 years. So according to your logic, Japan has absolutely NO RIGHT whatsover to ask the North Korean government to return Japanese abductees because Japan is a haven for kidnappings. And because the Japanese government has yet to apologize to its own people over these kidnappings. I cant take you seriously. If you think the world works like this then I feel sorry for you.