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		<title>By: dogbertt</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/04/korus-fta-a-detailed-summary/#comment-76637</link>
		<dc:creator>dogbertt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Then you have sugar. Somehow, sugar beet farmers in the U.S. have amassed a huge amount of political clout. This has kept tariffs high on imported sugar. Who gets hurt by that? Well, how about candy makers? But guess what, Canada has no sugar tariff, so it makes sense to move your American factories to Canada, where they can enjoy much cheaper inputs, then sell such tariff-free candy back to the U.S. Result: Rich Beet Farmers 1, American Public 0.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's not quite correct.

1) It's not the sugar beet growers, it's the sugar _cane_ growers, many of whom are politically-connected Cuban emigres.  Not only do they benefit from subsidies, high prices, they achieve their goal of denying U.S. sugar users from purchasing Cuban sugar.

Just google "Fanjul" to see what I'm talking about.

2) You are completely wrong about American candy makers moving to Canada and importing candy into the U.S.  Just look at the ingredient label of any sweet, candy bar, or cola sold in the U.S.  99% will contain no sugar -- they're all sweetened with high fructose corn syrup.  Disgusting.  It's been a boon for the corn producers, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Then you have sugar. Somehow, sugar beet farmers in the U.S. have amassed a huge amount of political clout. This has kept tariffs high on imported sugar. Who gets hurt by that? Well, how about candy makers? But guess what, Canada has no sugar tariff, so it makes sense to move your American factories to Canada, where they can enjoy much cheaper inputs, then sell such tariff-free candy back to the U.S. Result: Rich Beet Farmers 1, American Public 0.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s not quite correct.</p>
<p>1) It&#8217;s not the sugar beet growers, it&#8217;s the sugar _cane_ growers, many of whom are politically-connected Cuban emigres.  Not only do they benefit from subsidies, high prices, they achieve their goal of denying U.S. sugar users from purchasing Cuban sugar.</p>
<p>Just google &#8220;Fanjul&#8221; to see what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>2) You are completely wrong about American candy makers moving to Canada and importing candy into the U.S.  Just look at the ingredient label of any sweet, candy bar, or cola sold in the U.S.  99% will contain no sugar &#8212; they&#8217;re all sweetened with high fructose corn syrup.  Disgusting.  It&#8217;s been a boon for the corn producers, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Linkd</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/04/korus-fta-a-detailed-summary/#comment-76635</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is really only one thing that is traded in FTAs, and that is jobs. Yes, in the normal course of international relations and domestic politics trade barriers and sanctions are implemented as tools of internal or external diplomacy (Wedge's steel example), but when it comes to full-on trade agreements, the only thing the negotiators are really haggling over is jobs.

Proofs: (1)rice was off the table. Korea has 700,000 citizens with non-transferable job skills in this industry. But they're all over 50, so the problem will eventually resolve itself. (2) the 25% tariffs on pickup trucks remain - the last source of jobs for America's anemic auto sector. (3)Beef allowed to open gradually - where Korea has fewer workers, but the timeline for tariff reduction fits those workers' life expectancy.(4) consumer goods - the area where both sides, but especially Korea, have the most to gain, were opened up. I'm sure there's more, but I haven't done my homework.

Whether this deal passes in America or not will be a matter of individual Representatives calculating the impact on employment in their respective districts. Whatever they say to the press, this will be their only consideration.

Regarding education, it's not the hakwon owners that make up the domestic lobby, it's the teacher's union. Consider: Korea tops the OECD 30 in TOTAL education spending, but ranks second last, ahead of Turkey, in government spending on education (per capita basis). What does this mean economically? It means that the bulk of money spent on education is spent in a 'free market', where parents can choose among hakwons, private tutors, online courses. It is natural that the best teachers will be attracted to this market. Here they will make money, bad teachers won't, and will withdraw from the market. Let the pot stew for 30 years, and there will a steady accumulation of untalented teachers in the public sector (the teacher's union), and talented teachers in the market system. You must realize that the union is aware its members would never make it on the market - they're just not good enough. They fight like hell against even the most basic government proposals to allow occasional classroom monitoring. They will, figuratively speaking, set themselves on fire before they will consent to market opening, or even any objective evaluation of their performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is really only one thing that is traded in FTAs, and that is jobs. Yes, in the normal course of international relations and domestic politics trade barriers and sanctions are implemented as tools of internal or external diplomacy (Wedge&#8217;s steel example), but when it comes to full-on trade agreements, the only thing the negotiators are really haggling over is jobs.</p>
<p>Proofs: (1)rice was off the table. Korea has 700,000 citizens with non-transferable job skills in this industry. But they&#8217;re all over 50, so the problem will eventually resolve itself. (2) the 25% tariffs on pickup trucks remain - the last source of jobs for America&#8217;s anemic auto sector. (3)Beef allowed to open gradually - where Korea has fewer workers, but the timeline for tariff reduction fits those workers&#8217; life expectancy.(4) consumer goods - the area where both sides, but especially Korea, have the most to gain, were opened up. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s more, but I haven&#8217;t done my homework.</p>
<p>Whether this deal passes in America or not will be a matter of individual Representatives calculating the impact on employment in their respective districts. Whatever they say to the press, this will be their only consideration.</p>
<p>Regarding education, it&#8217;s not the hakwon owners that make up the domestic lobby, it&#8217;s the teacher&#8217;s union. Consider: Korea tops the OECD 30 in TOTAL education spending, but ranks second last, ahead of Turkey, in government spending on education (per capita basis). What does this mean economically? It means that the bulk of money spent on education is spent in a &#8216;free market&#8217;, where parents can choose among hakwons, private tutors, online courses. It is natural that the best teachers will be attracted to this market. Here they will make money, bad teachers won&#8217;t, and will withdraw from the market. Let the pot stew for 30 years, and there will a steady accumulation of untalented teachers in the public sector (the teacher&#8217;s union), and talented teachers in the market system. You must realize that the union is aware its members would never make it on the market - they&#8217;re just not good enough. They fight like hell against even the most basic government proposals to allow occasional classroom monitoring. They will, figuratively speaking, set themselves on fire before they will consent to market opening, or even any objective evaluation of their performance.</p>
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		<title>By: babarian</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/04/korus-fta-a-detailed-summary/#comment-76634</link>
		<dc:creator>babarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is likely the US lawmakers will approve the deal.  If they don't, America will lose out to Canadians who have already been in talks and the Europeans who'll get into talks shortly, and Aussies and Kiwis are keen to get in too.

No, I'm not a fan of Babar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is likely the US lawmakers will approve the deal.  If they don&#8217;t, America will lose out to Canadians who have already been in talks and the Europeans who&#8217;ll get into talks shortly, and Aussies and Kiwis are keen to get in too.</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m not a fan of Babar.</p>
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		<title>By: Wedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sperwer--I learned in Econ 101 (or some such) that you're better off with an open market. Using openings in your own market to force someone else to open his is like saying, "I'll drink this beer, but only if you do too. Otherwise I won't." That's why the whole global trade system is loony.

Let's look at a couple of cases. Bush decides it's a good idea to protect steel jobs in Pennsylvania and slaps a tariff on steel from elsewhere, including real allies like the UK. Yes, the Keystone State keeps jobs otherwise lost, but more jobs are lost in the auto industry, which relies on steel big time. Also, steel companies in the U.S. are given a breather from having to innovate and/or consolidate, thereby putting off the enhancement of their own competitiveness.

Then you have sugar. Somehow, sugar beet farmers in the U.S. have amassed a huge amount of political clout. This has kept tariffs high on imported sugar. Who gets hurt by that? Well, how about candy makers? But guess what, Canada has no sugar tariff, so it makes sense to move your American factories to Canada, where they can enjoy much cheaper inputs, then sell such tariff-free candy back to the U.S. Result: Rich Beet Farmers 1, American Public 0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sperwer&#8211;I learned in Econ 101 (or some such) that you&#8217;re better off with an open market. Using openings in your own market to force someone else to open his is like saying, &#8220;I&#8217;ll drink this beer, but only if you do too. Otherwise I won&#8217;t.&#8221; That&#8217;s why the whole global trade system is loony.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at a couple of cases. Bush decides it&#8217;s a good idea to protect steel jobs in Pennsylvania and slaps a tariff on steel from elsewhere, including real allies like the UK. Yes, the Keystone State keeps jobs otherwise lost, but more jobs are lost in the auto industry, which relies on steel big time. Also, steel companies in the U.S. are given a breather from having to innovate and/or consolidate, thereby putting off the enhancement of their own competitiveness.</p>
<p>Then you have sugar. Somehow, sugar beet farmers in the U.S. have amassed a huge amount of political clout. This has kept tariffs high on imported sugar. Who gets hurt by that? Well, how about candy makers? But guess what, Canada has no sugar tariff, so it makes sense to move your American factories to Canada, where they can enjoy much cheaper inputs, then sell such tariff-free candy back to the U.S. Result: Rich Beet Farmers 1, American Public 0.</p>
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		<title>By: MrChips</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrChips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact I would rather the FTA have left everything else out and only addressed US agriculture and Korean steel.  Completely end the subsidies and tariffs for both of those and that would give some credibility to the word "Free."  Right now its just the crap trade agreement (CTA).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact I would rather the FTA have left everything else out and only addressed US agriculture and Korean steel.  Completely end the subsidies and tariffs for both of those and that would give some credibility to the word &#8220;Free.&#8221;  Right now its just the crap trade agreement (CTA).</p>
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		<title>By: MrChips</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrChips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been, and now still am, ambivalent about the word "Free" being used in the title of this agreement.  It connotes an "opening" of sorts for the two markets to each other but it also seems to solidify the control of governments over what consumers are allowed to have access to.  Yet, it doesn't seem to broach the real problem of "unfair" markets being government subsidies - the main impeteus behind tariffs.  Do the tariffs get phased out at the same rate as industry-targeted subsidies or are industries expected to compete in the face of continued government support?  Free is hardly the way to describe such a situation.  The US agricultural industry and the Korean steel industry are two of the worst offenders in this regard and I don't see anything in this FTA to resolve that problem.  Furthermore, the very idea that governments even have the right to delineate what can or can't be imported/exported beyond a-bombs and dope renders the word "free" as completely impotent.  FTA's are merely a mutually manipulative attempt to reinforce government control over consumers.  This does precious little to create any increase in competition across the board.  It merely trades competition in one area for protection in another.  A real FTA = end to all subsidies and all tariffs - a fictional possibility I know since that would necessitate both governments laying down power.

Nevertheless, I don't think this will make much of a change in the short term for the simple fact that this agreement will never contain all of the specific legal legal language necessary to make both sides accountable and willing to enforce it of each's own accord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been, and now still am, ambivalent about the word &#8220;Free&#8221; being used in the title of this agreement.  It connotes an &#8220;opening&#8221; of sorts for the two markets to each other but it also seems to solidify the control of governments over what consumers are allowed to have access to.  Yet, it doesn&#8217;t seem to broach the real problem of &#8220;unfair&#8221; markets being government subsidies - the main impeteus behind tariffs.  Do the tariffs get phased out at the same rate as industry-targeted subsidies or are industries expected to compete in the face of continued government support?  Free is hardly the way to describe such a situation.  The US agricultural industry and the Korean steel industry are two of the worst offenders in this regard and I don&#8217;t see anything in this FTA to resolve that problem.  Furthermore, the very idea that governments even have the right to delineate what can or can&#8217;t be imported/exported beyond a-bombs and dope renders the word &#8220;free&#8221; as completely impotent.  FTA&#8217;s are merely a mutually manipulative attempt to reinforce government control over consumers.  This does precious little to create any increase in competition across the board.  It merely trades competition in one area for protection in another.  A real FTA = end to all subsidies and all tariffs - a fictional possibility I know since that would necessitate both governments laying down power.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I don&#8217;t think this will make much of a change in the short term for the simple fact that this agreement will never contain all of the specific legal legal language necessary to make both sides accountable and willing to enforce it of each&#8217;s own accord.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbertt</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/04/korus-fta-a-detailed-summary/#comment-76546</link>
		<dc:creator>dogbertt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d like to see this ratified, if only because open markets in your home country are better than closed regardless of what the rest of the world does. The FTA may be incremental and misnamed as “free,” but it goes in the right direction.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is the argument quite persuasively made by Tim Harford in his book, "The Undercover Economist".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’d like to see this ratified, if only because open markets in your home country are better than closed regardless of what the rest of the world does. The FTA may be incremental and misnamed as “free,” but it goes in the right direction.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is the argument quite persuasively made by Tim Harford in his book, &#8220;The Undercover Economist&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sperwer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sperwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;open markets in your home country are better than closed regardless of what the rest of the world does&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wedge, if you think about that for a moment, you'll realize it's preposterous.

Since, as I think you'll agree, we are not talking about free trade but managed trade here, the question comes down to whether it is advantageous to the US to countenance continuing to subsidize Korean producers (and US consumers) at the expense of US producers who are prevented from realizing the benefits of their comparative advantages until, possibly, such time as Korean producers have succeeded in eroding such advantages.  One might, for other policy reasons, want to coddle a Korea, especially where allowing US firms to enjoy a competitive advantage in an utterly uncompetitive environment, i.e., one where the locals can't compete, might slacken their zeal for innovation, but once those extra-economic policy considerations no longer apply (as I would argue is the case with Korea nowadays), it's folly and economically inefficient (let alone grossly unfair to all but the most competitive firms in the most competitive US industries) for the US to keep leaving the tit out there for Korea Inc to feed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>open markets in your home country are better than closed regardless of what the rest of the world does</p></blockquote>
<p>Wedge, if you think about that for a moment, you&#8217;ll realize it&#8217;s preposterous.</p>
<p>Since, as I think you&#8217;ll agree, we are not talking about free trade but managed trade here, the question comes down to whether it is advantageous to the US to countenance continuing to subsidize Korean producers (and US consumers) at the expense of US producers who are prevented from realizing the benefits of their comparative advantages until, possibly, such time as Korean producers have succeeded in eroding such advantages.  One might, for other policy reasons, want to coddle a Korea, especially where allowing US firms to enjoy a competitive advantage in an utterly uncompetitive environment, i.e., one where the locals can&#8217;t compete, might slacken their zeal for innovation, but once those extra-economic policy considerations no longer apply (as I would argue is the case with Korea nowadays), it&#8217;s folly and economically inefficient (let alone grossly unfair to all but the most competitive firms in the most competitive US industries) for the US to keep leaving the tit out there for Korea Inc to feed.</p>
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		<title>By: Wedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Babarian--Are you a fan of Babar? Great series, even if it's French.

I'd like to see this ratified, if only because open markets in your home country are better than closed regardless of what the rest of the world does. The FTA may be incremental and misnamed as "free," but it goes in the right direction.

It's telling that Roh was disappointed education and medical services weren't on the USTR's agenda. It's much easier for a Korean politician to be seen as "forced" to open up under outside pressure than to actually fight against entrenched local interests (hagwon owners, hospitals) to pass legislation beneficial to the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babarian&#8211;Are you a fan of Babar? Great series, even if it&#8217;s French.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see this ratified, if only because open markets in your home country are better than closed regardless of what the rest of the world does. The FTA may be incremental and misnamed as &#8220;free,&#8221; but it goes in the right direction.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s telling that Roh was disappointed education and medical services weren&#8217;t on the USTR&#8217;s agenda. It&#8217;s much easier for a Korean politician to be seen as &#8220;forced&#8221; to open up under outside pressure than to actually fight against entrenched local interests (hagwon owners, hospitals) to pass legislation beneficial to the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sperwer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sperwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess there's always hope...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess there&#8217;s always hope&#8230;</p>
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