Comments on: Chinese spy games in the USA http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/ Korea... in Blog Format Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:23:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: adeptitus http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76375 adeptitus Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:49:25 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76375 Most nations on this planet, including the Vatican, has an intelligence service. I'm sure everyone knows what intelligence service does for a living. The mainland Chinese espionage efforts is pretty spread out between civilian and miltiary targets abroad. The methods they use is quite primitive and has been described as a "sponge" in soaking up little bits and pieces from a wide field. It's a low-tech, cost-effective means of collecting useful industrial & military information. Some Western intelligence agencies have been very confused with Chinese "opportunistic" espionage methods in the past. Instead of "James Bond", you find many untrained amateurs in the field trying to collect and ship stuff to China for a quick buck. Most nations on this planet, including the Vatican, has an intelligence service. I’m sure everyone knows what intelligence service does for a living.

The mainland Chinese espionage efforts is pretty spread out between civilian and miltiary targets abroad. The methods they use is quite primitive and has been described as a “sponge” in soaking up little bits and pieces from a wide field. It’s a low-tech, cost-effective means of collecting useful industrial & military information.

Some Western intelligence agencies have been very confused with Chinese “opportunistic” espionage methods in the past. Instead of “James Bond”, you find many untrained amateurs in the field trying to collect and ship stuff to China for a quick buck.

]]> By: fred_random http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76310 fred_random Tue, 03 Apr 2007 05:28:43 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76310 On the less inflammatory points made earlier in the thread, I am not surprised that other ostensibly allied or friendly nations spy on us. Dr. Kissinger was right, but his quotation failed to express the reasons. The analysts will tell you that "capabilities matter more than intentions." Why? Intentions can change in an instant, but capabilities can't. That's why you watch the 300 lb bruiser closely, even if he says he's your friend, but ignore the 120 lb weakling who's your open adversary. The bruiser can change his mind in a flash, but the weakling can't grow muscles overnight. So it is with nations. On the less inflammatory points made earlier in the thread, I am not surprised that other ostensibly allied or friendly nations spy on us. Dr. Kissinger was right, but his quotation failed to express the reasons.

The analysts will tell you that “capabilities matter more than intentions.” Why? Intentions can change in an instant, but capabilities can’t. That’s why you watch the 300 lb bruiser closely, even if he says he’s your friend, but ignore the 120 lb weakling who’s your open adversary. The bruiser can change his mind in a flash, but the weakling can’t grow muscles overnight.

So it is with nations.

]]> By: foobat http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76301 foobat Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:00:20 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76301 Ah ... today it's state secrets to complain about, but tomorrow (say 30 or 40 years from now), you'll be sitting around the local pub ranting about how those dirty foreign Chinese language teachers are corrupting the youth with Eastern values and stealing your women. Ah … today it’s state secrets to complain about, but tomorrow (say 30 or 40 years from now), you’ll be sitting around the local pub ranting about how those dirty foreign Chinese language teachers are corrupting the youth with Eastern values and stealing your women.

]]> By: lobotomy948 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76298 lobotomy948 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 03:44:11 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76298 Hey, Henry Kissinger is the well-known panda hugger. Hey, Henry Kissinger is the well-known panda hugger.

]]> By: Wedge http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76282 Wedge Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:46:00 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76282 You have to like Henry "Realpolitik" Kissinger's thesis, like it's no big deal if the Chinamen steal a warhead design here or a guidance system there. It's all just part of the great game. You have to like Henry “Realpolitik” Kissinger’s thesis, like it’s no big deal if the Chinamen steal a warhead design here or a guidance system there. It’s all just part of the great game.

]]> By: Sonagi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76267 Sonagi Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:27:48 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76267 Mingi wrote: <i>"the countries that have spied the most on the US in recent years have been its allies, most notably Great Britain, Japan, South Korea and Israel."</i> It's not quantity but quality and end user. Israel has sold some of its US-acquired technology to China. I've not heard of the other countries passing along sensitive technology to our rivals. With South Korea, the issue is the possibility of North Korea overtly or covertly getting its hands on US intelligence acquired by South Korea. This is what Robert "I was only trying to help an ally and didn't do any harm" Kim failed to acknowledge. Mingi wrote:

“the countries that have spied the most on the US in recent years have been its allies, most notably Great Britain, Japan, South Korea and Israel.”

It’s not quantity but quality and end user. Israel has sold some of its US-acquired technology to China. I’ve not heard of the other countries passing along sensitive technology to our rivals. With South Korea, the issue is the possibility of North Korea overtly or covertly getting its hands on US intelligence acquired by South Korea. This is what Robert “I was only trying to help an ally and didn’t do any harm” Kim failed to acknowledge.

]]> By: Mingi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76259 Mingi Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:59:29 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76259 I'm sure folks in government would know better, but according to an article published in recent years in a reputable academic journal dealing specifically with the study of intelligence, a former US intelligence official noted that the countries that have spied the most on the US in recent years have been its allies, most notably Great Britain, Japan, South Korea and Israel. I’m sure folks in government would know better, but according to an article published in recent years in a reputable academic journal dealing specifically with the study of intelligence, a former US intelligence official noted that the countries that have spied the most on the US in recent years have been its allies, most notably Great Britain, Japan, South Korea and Israel.

]]> By: R. Elgin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76252 R. Elgin Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:21:20 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/04/02/chinese-spy-games-in-the-usa/#comment-76252 Yes, there was also the case of the New Jersey junkyard last year that was run by some brothers of Italian extraction who were about to sell parts of a Sidewinder missile to the Chinese until the Customs Department caught them. I wish Homeland Security would focus on the Chinese -- who have been forcibly enlisting, if needed, thousands of Chinese working abroad to commit espionage, instead of giving people a hard time over their damned toothpaste. Idiots . . . Yes, there was also the case of the New Jersey junkyard last year that was run by some brothers of Italian extraction who were about to sell parts of a Sidewinder missile to the Chinese until the Customs Department caught them.

I wish Homeland Security would focus on the Chinese — who have been forcibly enlisting, if needed, thousands of Chinese working abroad to commit espionage, instead of giving people a hard time over their damned toothpaste.

Idiots . . .

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