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		<title>By: sewing</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/03/28/chinatown-minus-the-chinese/#comment-75900</link>
		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I know I'd be in for a good deal of culture shock if I actually went to China...keeping in mind, however, the old Chinese-North American communities were predominantly Cantonese on top of that.  But it felt like a Korean neighbourhood with Chinese ornamentation, not a neighbourhood of Chinese immigrants or their descendants.  I don't even recall seeing many signs in Chinese characters, no more than one sees hancha anywhere else in Korea.  It wasn't &lt;i&gt;alive&lt;/i&gt; the way the Chinese neighbourhoods in the Vancouver area are.  (Note taken of the historical, discriminatory pressures exerted on Chinese residents in Korea that might have led to this situation.)  ...Despite what should have been a positive reinforcement because I was in a port city on the West Coast (of Korea)!

Anyhow, it doesn't matter.  It was still a good trip for a day...I stopped at the Fantastic Studio in Bucheon en route, and checked out the outdoor set where so many 20th-century historical dramas are shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I know I&#8217;d be in for a good deal of culture shock if I actually went to China&#8230;keeping in mind, however, the old Chinese-North American communities were predominantly Cantonese on top of that.  But it felt like a Korean neighbourhood with Chinese ornamentation, not a neighbourhood of Chinese immigrants or their descendants.  I don&#8217;t even recall seeing many signs in Chinese characters, no more than one sees hancha anywhere else in Korea.  It wasn&#8217;t <i>alive</i> the way the Chinese neighbourhoods in the Vancouver area are.  (Note taken of the historical, discriminatory pressures exerted on Chinese residents in Korea that might have led to this situation.)  &#8230;Despite what should have been a positive reinforcement because I was in a port city on the West Coast (of Korea)!</p>
<p>Anyhow, it doesn&#8217;t matter.  It was still a good trip for a day&#8230;I stopped at the Fantastic Studio in Bucheon en route, and checked out the outdoor set where so many 20th-century historical dramas are shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/03/28/chinatown-minus-the-chinese/#comment-75813</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sewing wrote:

&lt;i&gt;"As a Vancouverite, I ended up in Chinatown, and suddenly felt like I was back home. Heh. I didn’t get that same eerie sense of familiarity when I was walking through Incheon’s Chinatown, however—it felt just as Korean as any other place in Korea…which is not a bad thing, but it certainly didn’t “feel” “Chinese,” despite the architectural adornishments."&lt;/i&gt;

Well, it's not surprising that a Chinatown in one North American city would remind of a Chinatown in another.  I don't know if you've ever been to China, but speaking as a former resident, I must say that Chinatowns in North America do not resemble the streets of any Chinese city I spent time in.  Seeing rows of bitter melons and pomelos and hearing Chinese voices gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling, but I never felt like I was back in China while strolling through the streets of Chinatown in NYC, San Francisco, Chicago, DC, Seattle, Boston, or Vancouver.  Chinatowns in Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines, and Japan  each have their own distinct look.  When I'm in a Chinatown, I feel like I'm in a Chinatown, not in China!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sewing wrote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;As a Vancouverite, I ended up in Chinatown, and suddenly felt like I was back home. Heh. I didn’t get that same eerie sense of familiarity when I was walking through Incheon’s Chinatown, however—it felt just as Korean as any other place in Korea…which is not a bad thing, but it certainly didn’t “feel” “Chinese,” despite the architectural adornishments.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s not surprising that a Chinatown in one North American city would remind of a Chinatown in another.  I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve ever been to China, but speaking as a former resident, I must say that Chinatowns in North America do not resemble the streets of any Chinese city I spent time in.  Seeing rows of bitter melons and pomelos and hearing Chinese voices gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling, but I never felt like I was back in China while strolling through the streets of Chinatown in NYC, San Francisco, Chicago, DC, Seattle, Boston, or Vancouver.  Chinatowns in Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines, and Japan  each have their own distinct look.  When I&#8217;m in a Chinatown, I feel like I&#8217;m in a Chinatown, not in China!</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/03/28/chinatown-minus-the-chinese/#comment-75809</link>
		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"adornishments" (sic) ==&#62; "adornments"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;adornishments&#8221; (sic) ==&gt; &#8220;adornments&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/03/28/chinatown-minus-the-chinese/#comment-75808</link>
		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahem, to get back to the &lt;i&gt;original&lt;/i&gt; topic (by the way, has the admin gone from policing every post to policing none?)...

Thanks for the photos, Robert...I was there a year ago, in the spring of '06, on a cloudy day.  You saw a lot more than I saw, and I thought I covered it all.  Anyhow, it's a neat daytrip: take the subway train to the last stop, cross the street and through the gate, up the main route and the stairs, check out MacArthur's statue, walk a few steps to the promontory overlooking Chinatown, and take in a superb view of the harbour.

Funny thing, though.  Years ago, when my grandmother passed away, I was in Montreal for her funeral in dreary November, and feeling homesick.  As a Vancouverite, I ended up in Chinatown, and suddenly felt like I was back home.  Heh.  I didn't get that same eerie sense of familiarity when I was walking through Incheon's Chinatown, however&#8212;it felt just as Korean as any other place in Korea...which is not a bad thing, but it certainly didn't "feel" "Chinese," despite the architectural adornishments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem, to get back to the <i>original</i> topic (by the way, has the admin gone from policing every post to policing none?)&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the photos, Robert&#8230;I was there a year ago, in the spring of &#8216;06, on a cloudy day.  You saw a lot more than I saw, and I thought I covered it all.  Anyhow, it&#8217;s a neat daytrip: take the subway train to the last stop, cross the street and through the gate, up the main route and the stairs, check out MacArthur&#8217;s statue, walk a few steps to the promontory overlooking Chinatown, and take in a superb view of the harbour.</p>
<p>Funny thing, though.  Years ago, when my grandmother passed away, I was in Montreal for her funeral in dreary November, and feeling homesick.  As a Vancouverite, I ended up in Chinatown, and suddenly felt like I was back home.  Heh.  I didn&#8217;t get that same eerie sense of familiarity when I was walking through Incheon&#8217;s Chinatown, however&mdash;it felt just as Korean as any other place in Korea&#8230;which is not a bad thing, but it certainly didn&#8217;t &#8220;feel&#8221; &#8220;Chinese,&#8221; despite the architectural adornishments.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbertt</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogbertt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Here’s a good breakdown of the Korean independence movement. Just because it doesn’t get western press, it doesn’t mean it never existed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

"The neutrality of this introduction is disputed."

"It has been claimed that some or all of this article or section is incoherent and not understandable, and should possibly be reworded if the intended meaning can be determined."

Two reasons I never trust _any_ Wikipedia article related to Korean history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Here’s a good breakdown of the Korean independence movement. Just because it doesn’t get western press, it doesn’t mean it never existed.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;The neutrality of this introduction is disputed.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It has been claimed that some or all of this article or section is incoherent and not understandable, and should possibly be reworded if the intended meaning can be determined.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two reasons I never trust _any_ Wikipedia article related to Korean history.</p>
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		<title>By: The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; No dogs or Chinese allowed (in my PC bang)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/03/28/chinatown-minus-the-chinese/#comment-75706</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; No dogs or Chinese allowed (in my PC bang)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we here about the lack of Chinese in Incheon&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we here about the lack of Chinese in Incheon&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/03/28/chinatown-minus-the-chinese/#comment-75677</link>
		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's more 

http://japanflag.com/english/e-doklip.htm

tocchin's talking nonsense, if not, blatant lies.

There was never Japanese trust of Koreans in their military. This link explains exactly why.

http://www.k2.dion.ne.jp/~rur55/E/epage12.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s more </p>
<p><a href="http://japanflag.com/english/e-doklip.htm" rel="nofollow">http://japanflag.com/english/e-doklip.htm</a></p>
<p>tocchin&#8217;s talking nonsense, if not, blatant lies.</p>
<p>There was never Japanese trust of Koreans in their military. This link explains exactly why.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.k2.dion.ne.jp/~rur55/E/epage12.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.k2.dion.ne.jp/~rur55/E/epage12.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/03/28/chinatown-minus-the-chinese/#comment-75676</link>
		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a good breakdown of the Korean independence movement.  Just because it doesn't get western press, it doesn't mean it never existed. 

http://www.answers.com/topic/korean-independence-movement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good breakdown of the Korean independence movement.  Just because it doesn&#8217;t get western press, it doesn&#8217;t mean it never existed. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/korean-independence-movement" rel="nofollow">http://www.answers.com/topic/k.....e-movement</a></p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in fact, one of my dead grandfather's usual drunken talk went something like this,

" I was trying to get into this elite school.  My Japanese school teacher talked to me in private, saying, 'You're a Chosunese.  You can't make it to a school like this.  Know your places, you Chosunese."  And the story goes that, he had a score good enough to make it anyway."

What kind of school teacher tells his pupil that he can't make it to a certain school, because of his racial background?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in fact, one of my dead grandfather&#8217;s usual drunken talk went something like this,</p>
<p>&#8221; I was trying to get into this elite school.  My Japanese school teacher talked to me in private, saying, &#8216;You&#8217;re a Chosunese.  You can&#8217;t make it to a school like this.  Know your places, you Chosunese.&#8221;  And the story goes that, he had a score good enough to make it anyway.&#8221;</p>
<p>What kind of school teacher tells his pupil that he can&#8217;t make it to a certain school, because of his racial background?</p>
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		<title>By: tocchin</title>
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		<dc:creator>tocchin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was mutual trust between Koreans and Japanese
in the imperial army. Therefore, many Korean military officials were promoted to important positions. The Korean soldiers were all loyal to
the imperial Japan. That was why the US had never
tried to encourage them to rebel againt Japan during the WW 2. If the US had thought the most of
the Korean soldiers were unhappy about the Japanese
military, they would have made the utmost to help
Korean rebels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was mutual trust between Koreans and Japanese<br />
in the imperial army. Therefore, many Korean military officials were promoted to important positions. The Korean soldiers were all loyal to<br />
the imperial Japan. That was why the US had never<br />
tried to encourage them to rebel againt Japan during the WW 2. If the US had thought the most of<br />
the Korean soldiers were unhappy about the Japanese<br />
military, they would have made the utmost to help<br />
Korean rebels.</p>
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