A Japanese netizen has caught the JoongAng Ilbo’s attention [JoongAng Ilbo, Korean] by uploading a Youtube video (actually produced by an American) describing Koreans as “savages who eat dogs.” 594 comments and counting!
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This dog-eating-Koreans criticism is something UN Sec Gen Ban Ki Moon ought to sort out, now that he’s finished dodging rockets, http://youtube.com/watch?v=AUIQZJdNRkc
Such is pure video troll-bait and not worth commenting upon. It is a pity the JoongAng Ilbo took the bait.
The eating of dogs is very offensive to Americans, who love dogs as pets, cherish them as “man’s best friend”, and occasionally like to have sex with them.
Netizen Kim—That’s not fair. It’s deer some of us apparently like to have sex with.
I especially like the part where he says that one lady should be in a “federal prison:” cultural imperialism at its finest.
By virtue of the nature of the KNP, all Korean prisons are in effect “federal” prisons, even if the federalism of Korea’s regime is pretty attenuated, indeed practically nonexistent, as a result of the concentration of power in the national government, of which the KNP is a prime example.
is it any coincidence that PepsiKorea chooses his location as Japan?
Of course these things go on in Korea. Inside joke among Koreans is if there were any tigers and bears around, Koreans would eat them for health benefits.
Interesting choice of tags, too.
Hate, laugh all you want.
Koreans aren’t evil people.
Dude should work on a special where Japanese elementary school kids flock to porn theaters. And, he might also want to show how easily cartoon porn and real porn is accessible everywhere.
Maybe tag a middle aged Japanese man meeting up with a young high school girl. Isn’t that a crime in America. Yup, it is. Yes, I know, it happens in the ROK, too. Happy ?
i actually love dogs and cats. But not mice, rats, squirrels, etc. I like animals that love you back.
For whatever reasons, I hope they stop eating animals in Korea (maybe it’s the high beef price
)
Did you know that Roh Moo Hyun seems decisive on becoming the “FTA” president?
Yes, So-go-gi will soon be cheap !
Once they start eating beef, they might stop. Might. They think cats and dogs provide health benefits, but cattle are just to fill stomachs and appetites.
and it’s rich calling this a holocaust, from a white man whose ancestors used to argue that any not white didn’t have “souls”.
Bravo! I thought the video was great! Alright, the comments were indeed dumb at times. I don’t care if a Japanese put out the vid, let the world see the filthy underside of this illegal business in Korea.
I have been a vegan for 21 years now in great measure, at least initially, as a response to the mistreatment that goes on in American agribusiness.
I have no problem with people eating dog, since I eat cow and pig. I think the main issue is cruelty. Korea has a hell of a long way to go before they start treating animals humanely. I used to walk past a dog shop on my way to work and it was pretty bad - 3 big huskies in a cage so small that their flesh was bulging out through the bars was pretty standard fare. I’ve sen far worse out in the countryside. And the methods used to kill dogs for the table are designed to exact as much fear and pain as possibe so the meat tastes better. You don’t have to be a bleading-heart to be disgusted by that.
So sick and tired of Koreans being singled out for eating hot dogs. Why are the Chinese always excluded from scrutiny?
Spot on, hoju_saram. It’s not the meat itself, but the way it is killed. It is summarized best in the Korean saying “개는 때려 잡아야 맛있다”, meaning “beaten dogs taste better”.
“beaten dogs taste better”.
The same can be said of Ajumas
yeah, westerners are cruel to livestock too. they get to think they are not since they never really see animals being slaughtered for human conumption. you know why? because meat companies are smart enough to put their plants far far away from urban centers and prying eyes. oh, and there are few laws here governing the treatment of livestock. you can do what you want with them.
‘why are koreans singled out for dog eating?’
because it’s everywhere and so very visible. and it’s just disgusting.
’she just smashed the rabbitt’s head and now she’s just leaving it to die.’ producer
this guy better wake up and smell the coffee. does he think slitting the throat of a lamb is any less cruel? i agree with him that koreans need to stop eating dogs and cats, but i think he needs to get off his arrogant little horse.
btw, some of you expats say you sometimes eat dog. will you ever eat it again seeing the filthy conditions in which the dogs are slaughtered?
korea, wake up! can’t you see dogs are one of the few animals on earth that acutally WANT to please man?
This video was made by westerners of an ideological bent who have made dozens more taking the western meat industry to task, despite the fact that its methods are generally much more “humane” than those practiced in Korea, not only on dogs but across the board. Do they really need to give equal time in the same video to their well-known strictures on the western industry, when the point of their position is that any slaughter of animals for human consumption is wrong?
Why is everything about westerners vs. poor Korea for you, when the crux of the criticism is not that Korea is less than X but that it doesn’t measure up to some designated principle of general application? Here you appear to approve of the principle in question, but end up sounding like you think that Korea should be exempt from criticism because others are also at fault. That’s both an inappropriate and a pathetically immature response.
And they do please me… when they’re in my bowl. They’re yummy.
koreans should just legalize gae gogi. there is nothing wrong with eating a dog but killing them in inhumane fashion is just wrong. koreans are kind of sensitive when non-koreans criticize korea for eating gae gogi… i think koreans should just ignore them just like chinese.
joong ang il bo people are stupid to write an article about that. well they should watch this youtube video if they want to feel little better about this whole issue… http://youtube.com/watch?v=4UOGgUdNhVM
i am posting the link not to make japanese look bad, but to point out that koreans arent the only people who are being targeted in youtube for animal abuse but it seems that we are the only one who are bitching about it.
So, any places you can recommend in our neck of the woods? My treat.
Mr. Jackson,
What are the cultural benefits of steaming a rabbit alive?
This video was made by westerners of an ideological bent who have made dozens more taking the western meat industry to task…. Do they really need to give equal time in the same video to their well-known strictures on the western industry, when the point of their position is that any slaughter of animals for human consumption is wrong?
it seems to me the video was made by a westerner not westerners. how do you know he’s against the consumption of meat? i didn’t hear them say that. does he got to give equal time to what westerner’s do? no, but ain’t it nice that we have the chance to do it here?
‘Here you appear to approve of the principle in question, but end up sounding like you think that Korea should be exempt from criticism because others are also at fault. That’s both an inappropriate and a pathetically immature response.’
i thought i made myself very clear:
‘i agree with him that koreans need to stop eating dogs and cats, but i think he needs to get off his arrogant little horse.’ pawi
i don’t like the guy’s tone. i think he’s arrogant and looks down on korean folk. that’s obvious. you understand now? i want koreans to stop eating cats and dogs but i’m not willing to portray them as savages. you get now?
Yes,
Gerry Bevers nails the point - it does not really matter what kind of animal is turned into food, it is the gratuitous cruelty applied in the process…
People eat animal meats. What’s wrong with that?
We all eat cows and pigs and chickens.
Japanese eat whales, Chinese eat dos and cats, Koreans eat whales and dos and cats.
What’s wrong?
What’s wrong ?
Wrong is the excessive cruelty applied to the animals about to be slaughtered. Sure, this is not limited exclusively to Asia, but it is definitely more prevalent over there.
Oh yeah.
Torturing before slaughtering isn’t good.
How should they slaughter?
Chopping head?
Then why no criticism against Foie gras?
HAHAHA, I noticed more Koreans are posting Japan’s dolphin slaughter videos and they are spamming on bunch of other videos.
Here is the spam comment they are pasting.
“Watch a clip on YouTube: Dolphin Massacre In Japan
Most people in the world don’t know about it, so tell your friends & family about it to raise public awareness for our ecosystem.
SPREAD THE WORD!
Dolphins are an ENDANGERED SPECIES.
The Japanese EAT 23,000 dolphins every year for sushi & sashimi since 400 years ago.
Dolphins are migratory mammals, therefore they belong to the world, NOT to the Japanese alone.
The Japanese have NO right to eat them to extinction.”
tomojiro: Oh, but there is. And a lot of it! Chicago has banned if from the city. So has California, Argentina and Israel.
Oops, forgot a couple. According to Wikipedia:
“Until new scientific evidence on alternative methods and their welfare aspects is available”,[ the production of foie gras is prohibited by treaty except for “where it is current practice” among 35 countries bound by the Council of Europe’s European Convention for the Protection of Animals kept for Farming Purposes.
The force feeding of animals for non-medical purposes, essential to current foie gras production practices, is explicitly prohibited by specific laws in six of nine Austrian provinces, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, Norway, Poland, or following interpretation of general animal protection laws in Ireland, Sweden, Switzerland, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom. Most of these countries aren’t currently producing foie gras, nor have they been in the past. Thus, these bans have stopped actual foie gras production in very few countries, with the notable exception of Israel.
Since 1997, the number of European countries producing foie gras has halved; the production remains currently legal only in five countries: Belgium, Bulgaria, Spain, France and Hungary.”
madne0
Thanks about the info. I didn’t knew that.
I have no problem with Mung Mung tang!
Eating pussy can be cruel too, if you don’t finish.
Hell, you got that right.
Tomojiro:
You are perfectly right in pointing out that cruelty to animals is not restricted to the Asian countries exclusively. The main difference is, however, how the general public in the different cultures perceives cruel treatment of animals.
As you probably know, in the West there are voiciferous lobby groups for the defence of aminal rights. Some of them are definitely going over the top, with demands that are simply ludicrous (no more meat, no more leather, no more fish, no more eggs, no more feather-beds…). Simply crazy…
But many have very reasonable ideas…
What is most outrageous is the cosmetic companies using animals for testing. I mean come on, does a rabbit really need to wear lipstick to get laid?
The Japanese are at their happiest when they find something to point a finger at Koreans. They’re cruel smiling little animals.
The Japanese are at their happiest when they find something to point a finger at Koreans. They’re cruel smiling little animals.
They are the Nazis of Asia. Come with me to a cage in Kobe where beef are stuck to fatten.
Veal endures a similar fate in America, so what?
What fool ever postulated that a hog had a future?
i don’t care to try the difference in dog meat prep, but the dog meat assoc and related people will say that beating dog causes the dog to release those hormones that give the erection.
Maybe?
There is also speculation that these owners put some vasodilating drugs in the soup, so the “must beat the dog” reasoning is false.
That said, the video also shows beating of a chicken, a rabbit, and a cat. I think.
Have you seen the movie, “Roger and Me”? I saw it to see what the first stages of Detroit’s fadeaway looked like.
There’s a significant portion there with a white middle aged lady, out of a Detroit job, who decides to breed and sell rabbit meat.
You’ll catch enough of cruelty to rabbits there.
Michael Moore made the movie, and I tend not to entirely agree with anything he “edits” together.
They say cattle love you back, just like dogs.
Killing any animal to eat is cruel.
Do you know why veal is soft? Go find out.
Eating dog good or bad–who cares? I’ve seen more hygienic restaurants and butchers in Dhaka and Peshawar. If bread were baked in such filth as shown in the video I wouldn’t eat it.
Wjk, You magnificent bastard. Anyone who quotes Michael Moore as an empirical font of knowledge is starting on a retarded foot. Secondly, the creator put animals on the big blue marble to be our beasts of burden and our num num. That’s right, our sustenance. You are probably one of these wing-nuts who justifies harm to humans to protect animal rights. Can you dodge a wrench yet?
watch the film, railway.
seouldout, you do know that Hepatitis A is rampant in the areas you named and it’s transmitted fecal-oral, right?
There’s a reason why a butcher is not looked upon with esteem and honor in any society.
Did you see the eyes and faces of these butchers?
Not a smile or any genuine satisfaction with what they’re doing.
I don’t think they love their jobs.
Their job is to take life from a unwilling animal.
Whether that’s done by a slice and dice machine or a neck blow, the animals are going to cry out in horror anyway.
Watch the Simpsons episode with Bovine University.
We must eat animals, nonetheless. Check out what happens to babies kept on a strict vege diet. You’ll screw up their lives for life.
Butchers do the jobs that we don’t want to deal with.
since someone mentioned Chinese, I think in the story of the Han Chinese dynasty founder Liu Bang’s tale, there is a story of Liu Bang while he was on the run, going several days without eating. He stopped at some poor man’s hut to get food. The poor man had none, either.
The poor man served Liu Bang some meat from somewhere.
Do you know what that meat was?
The poor man murdered his wife and fed that to the Han China’s first Emperor, Liu Bang.
Did Liu Bang execute this man in pure rage and sympathy for the fallen woman?
Sympathy for the fallen woman, maybe. Pure rage for against the poor man, none.
I think the poor man was promised titles, lands, and positions for showing “extreme” sacrifice for the sustinence of Han China’s first emperor.
Welcome to East Asia.
Wjk,
You have benchmarked Michael Moor and The Simpson’s. Good luck to you. How many brick masons or proctologists do you see smiling? Make a point my myopic friend! If Koreans want to eat dog, it’s their prerogative. I could care less. You are obviously deeply embarrassed, that is your cross to bear.
Railwaycharm:
Your comment #36 first sent a shiver down my spine before I discovered the sophisticated irony behind it…Smile.
@ wjk, I could care less about the esteem of butchers. I certainly do care about sanitation. And it doesn’t even need to be First World quality.
Filth, I tell ya, absolute filth. City Hall doesn’t have any health inspectors? Certainly there’s a few who are on the prowl for “expired” black pepper. Bon appetite.
It seems to be taken for granted that, as long is there is no cruelty, eating dog is morally equivalent to eating pig, cow, sheep, etc.
I’d like to challenge that notion.
What are dogs? They are animals that were “created” by man (by selective breeding) to serve in a companion/service role. Various types of dogs were bred by man to serve in various roles: companions, hunting dogs, retrievers, sled dogs, etc. They exist because man bred them for these purposes.
They were not bred for food.
Man, in this way, created dogs. You know what dogs used to be? Wolves! Any “dogs” whose ancestors we didn’t breed are still wolves.
Dogs were bred in part for their personality, for their ability to bond with and to serve as companions to humans. If you take a little puppy and put him with a person, he is immediately going to play with the person and bond with him/her. This is they way they are.
Pigs, cows, etc. were bred for food. A little piglet does not naturally bond with a human, though it’s possible. A little piglet naturally eats as much as he can, to get fat, to be eaten.
This is evolution affected by humans, who for thousands of years have been selectively breeding animals. Dogs are not for eating; pigs and cows are. People made it this way!
colontos, they eat dogs in Vietnam and China, too.
Why do they do that? Chinese especially have a variety of pure bred lines.
Korea? I can only count with my hands about 3 at max.
They say the Jindo in particular was accidentally bred to be so, because of its island isolation.
I don’t think the Koreans looked for much companionship. Or bred them for that purpose. Maybe an exception was the island of Jindo. Although these dogs are notorious for being untrainable for police use.
But I do find great companionship in the dog that welcomes you home, 365 days a year. It’s like the most important thing of the day for the dog. Welcoming the return of the human. The cat who purrs and meows, keeping me upbeat after a day.
How old is this video. While I don’t agree with what is going on in the video (cruelty to animals) who is he or who are we to say what is moral or immoral in some other person’s country/culture. I am sure there are many non-Americans who don’t understand what American ppl do or are disgusted with the gluttony of Americans. I know for a fact there are Asian’s who are amazed at how American’s can eat beef from cows which have been injected with growth hormones.
As with regards to cruelty, I agree with some of the previous posters…anyone read Fast Food Nation? They talk about the meat plants…how a nice white building is a slaughterhouse and in the slaughterhouse how the cows are caravaned to their death, and of course, their method which is considered humane is not always 100 percent effective.
What about the workers in the slaughterhouse? The amount of hazards that they have to go through, cuts, aches lost limbs…
So cruelty exists everywhere…its just that the person who recorded the video decided to bring his morals from his country to a different part of the world. That is ignorant and rude.
What was he trying to accomplish? Manifest Destiny? Since he can’t fathom what is going on, he must push his values onto another society/race. Do people really want to go back to those times where they think they have better values and they need to teach the barbarians?
The comment about the street being a public place, was pure comedy, coming from another country and using those statements in a foreign country, where is courtesy of I am in a foreign land? Shouldn’t visitors abide by the mores of the country they are visiting? I am sure that Korean woman thought the guy with the video camera was weird or better yet a stalker. Lets all go to his place of business or home and video tape him and be outraged at the stuff he does.
Like I stated before I don’t condone what went on in the video, but I am sure if other ppl from other countries saw the video, all would say what is the big deal? There are more important things going on the world that using pets as food.
Do you like possum?
“and it’s rich calling this a holocaust, from a white man whose ancestors used to argue that any not white didn’t have “souls”
That’s just a stupid comment, probably dumber than saying that killing a few dogs is a holocaust.
As I’ve said before, people can eat dirt for all I care, as long as they stay away from endangered species. So, yeah, dogs are fair game. However, I think the Korean government really needs to begin enforcing the law because the people who raise and butcher these dogs don’t always do so humanely.
I noticed that many of the dogs on the video ready to be slaughtered are actually the Korean Jindo, identified by the Korean government as a National Treasure (Number 53), in 1962.
“There’s a reason why a butcher is not looked upon with esteem and honor in any society.”
I don’t believe that is accurate. Iraqis (not Americans) conferred the title of “Butcher of Baghdad” on Saddam because butchers were well-respected in Iraq. The reasoning was that only rich people could afford to regularly buy meat from a butcher, and so butchers often dealt with wealthy and influential people and usually ended up making a lot more money than the average Iraqi. Plus, the butcher got to eat well, so a lot of people admired (envied?) butchers. Anyway, many Iraqis considered the phrase “The Butcher of Baghdad” as a respectful nickname for ol’ Saddam.
As a non-sexual double entendre, the nickname also referred to Saddam’s infamous cruelty, which the U.S. media capitalized on, but Saddam actually got the nickname from his fellow Iraqis well before the Gulf War.
Colontos #45,
I’m with you. I used to think eating dog was just a matter of choice, but now I view it as another case of human betrayal oa a “sacred trust.”
vide supra:
‘of a “sacred trust.”‘
Trust? Here? In Korea? C’mon!
there’s no contract made with dogs. that’s just cultural imperialism and the author’s interpretaion of man’s relationship with dogs.
it’s also the interpretation of the author to suggest that we bred dogs to be useful to us. we may do such things today but way back when man and dog were getting together, it was because man saw the usefulness of the traits dogs learned ON THEIR OWN for the benefit of humans. for example, sheep dog taught himself how to be a sheep dog to increase his chances at being taken in by an animal that would provide him food and shelter. smart move on the dogs part.
moving on, though i agree with colontos that koreans need to get rid of dog eating, i try to stay away from arguments based on culture. that’s a sure way to lose. i argue to koreans that dogs can provide stupendous benefits to man. dogs can be used as cancer detectors, drug sniffers, bodygurds, companions. they can become the eye’s of people who cannot see. they can warn people of a on-going heart attack. this list could go on for awhile. my point is dogs provide quite a bit of benefit to man. shouldn’t that earn the dog an exemption from our collective dinner table?
Dog-gone right!
“there’s no contract made with dogs. that’s just cultural imperialism and the author’s interpretaion of man’s relationship with dogs.”
Not wishing to be pedantic, but you better get your inflammatory terms straight. Such interpretations are not culturally imperialistic, but rather ethnocentric.
Although there is a saying in English that “Dog is man’s best friend”, and I guess the same words exist in most European languages, that saying was made when Europeans hardly had any contact with Koreans.
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‘Not wishing to be pedantic, but you better get your inflammatory terms straight. Such interpretations are not culturally imperialistic, but rather ethnocentric.’ seoulout
i think you need to read what i wrote:
‘there’s no contract made with dogs. that’s just cultural imperialism….’
the author surely would like to impose this idea of a contact onto koreans. that’s the very definition of cultural imperialism.
‘…and the author’s interpretaion of man’s relationship with dogs.’
the author believes man has a contact with dogs. that’s his interpretation of man’s relationship with dogs based on his culture. the author not only believes in this, he wants to impose this belief onto koreans. that’s the very definition of cultural imperialsm.
i’d like to thank you for being a member of this board. it’s so nice ‘chatting’ with you. please feel free to be pedantic with me anytime you like. i hope you have a good day.
石鵝
What? There’s a “contract” between man and dog? Preposterous. Did the dog sign up for the little pink sweater, and to be inbred into hip dysplasia and other ailments?
Anyway, even if there were a contract between man and dog, it appears that contract has different terms here in Korea. Or perhaps the same terms are “interpreted” differently. Whereas American dogs generally get two delightful meals a day, all the toilet water they can drink, and a warm place to sleep (plus free healthcare and dental), Korean dogs larger than a rat get to be chained up outside on a four-foot run, fed kimchi slop, and generally mistreated — and that’s the lucky ones who someone “loves”. The others don’t have the luxury of sleeping in the cold on a bed of their own turds — they get tortured and eaten.
This generally comports with my business experiences on Korean views on contracts.
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