The National Palace Museum [Wikipedia] in Taipei is selling Korean history short [Dong-A Ilbo, Korean] with a chronological table that suggests Korean history begins with the Unified Silla period [Wikipedia].
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Oh no….wait, I am sure Vank will fix everything!
Get out your rubber aprons; the Vanking is about to commence.
Vanker?
I’ve been doing a little history with my students lately - and the question was: “who made the Korean flag? and when?” The answer was “Dangun. 5000 Years ago.”
Do Koreans think they are related to the people living on the Korean peninsula 5000 years ago? Why do the Iranians think they are the inheritors of the Persian Empire? Why do modern Jews insist they are the children of Abraham?
Time is an illusion caused by the passing of history. (Lunchtime, doubly so.)
and what of shilla prior to unification? what happened to the hundreds of years prior to that? some kind of bias going on at the palace since they show periods of japan before being it was a unified state. ridiculous.
here’s the chinese/japanese view of korean history prior to shilla unification:
koguryeo and baekche have nothing to do with korean history since ALL of the peoples in both nations were absorbed by china and japan respectively.
that’s just soooo convenient, ain’t it?
alternate version from japan: only royals of baekche were in contact with japan and every single one of them went to japan when their kigdom collapsed leaving not a drop of their blood in the veins of the koreans.
that’s just soooo convenient, ain’t it?
‘wait till vank hears about!’m
yeah, you guys get angry when koreans misrepresent the korean war. why can’t koreans be angry about this?
‘the people of koguryeo excel at fermentation. they use heated floors…’ san guo chih
yeah, the people of koguryeo got nothing to do with modern day koreans.
German history starts at 1871. Before, there was German culture, but not really a “Germany” in the sense of a country with a central government wielding effective authority.
Okay, maybe that was off topic, but my point is:
What is a long history good for, after all ?
As a citizen of the nation most often falsely represented and lied about in the world, I’d like to say: Grow up and get over it.
it’s not about long history. It’s about denying history, so the numerically superior Chinese and Japanese are trying to say Korea was in a lower position then and it should be in its place now as well.
Same crap they’re pulling on the native Taiwanese who have no interest in getting sinicized into the Han Chinese banner. Countless Chinese tribes have already been sinicized and no one speaks their original tribal languages anymore. Khitans, Manchus, (the Mandarins like to claim Cantonese is a dying breed, too, I heard this from a Mandarin friend). I suppose the Ainus and Okinawans are “happy” being subjects of the Emperor of Japan, too.
Say what you want about Korea, but Koreans, especially South Koreans are definately survivors from the Chinese and Japanese absorbtion attempts.
wjk wrote:
“Same crap they’re pulling on the native Taiwanese who have no interest in getting sinicized into the Han Chinese banner. Countless Chinese tribes have already been sinicized and no one speaks their original tribal languages anymore.”
Taiwan is already Sinocized. Mandarin is the most widely spoken Chinese language on the island, whose native aboriginal tribes comprise a small minority of the population.
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xxxxxxxxxxxxx“i think there might be more than a few germans who might disagree with you but anyway, if we are going to say that korea’s history started with shilla, that’s fine. however, this kind of policy has got to applied fairly which, of course, means that quite a few countries out there are going to have to re-write their histories too.”
Okay, Pawi, you’ve got a point here.
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xxxxxxxxxxxSomeone said German history started around 1870ish.
I’m pretty sure the Holy Roman Empire did hold all of current German territory at least for 100 years, if not more.
By your definition, then, Chinese history started when Han united China, then Chinese history stopped when Han fell. Right?
Then, there were more than enough breaks when the Hans were split amongst not only themselves, but were contending with the Khitans, Mongols, Manchus for at least 500 years totaled together, and straight up subjugation under the Mongols and Khitans for a total of at least 500 years.
Han Chinese should be more honest about their history intead of stealing some other nations’ history, and calling it theirs by using mass numbers.
Japanese history. It started when Toyotomi Hideyoshi united Japan around 1500. Has to be, right?
Before that and after that, Japan surely was of constant internal war. Can’t deny it. How can you argue they even spoke the same language amongst themselves? If they even considered themselves the same kind? Certianly Hokaido and Okinawa thought of themselves as totally separate and having nothing to do with the Honshu residents. Why else would the Emperor of Japan promise the Okinawans citzenships to the Empire around 1850? And of Hokaido and Sakhalin Ainus? This is why I try to understand Japan. Gotta know your enemy pretty well. Credit that to Han Chinese, Sun Tzu. If I bother you, because I speak totally straight up truth,
Ask why Taiwan tried to pull this cute little, “Korean history started with Unified Shilla.”
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Do Koreans think they are related to the people living on the Korean peninsula 5000 years ago? Why do the Iranians think they are the inheritors of the Persian Empire? Why do modern Jews insist they are the children of Abraham?
Ultimately, we are all related to either Adam & Eve or a single-celled organism in a primordial soup.
i meant Manchus. Although, Khitans under the Korean pronuncitation of Yo Nara pushed the Han Chinese to huddle down to the South East edge around the Yangtze River for at least 100 years. Beijing wasn’t even part of Han Chinese land at that point.
Now, they’ve been all sinicized.
This action by Taiwan is not totally unrelated to the Chaing Bai mountain incident in 2007.
It’s basically retaliation.
Word I hear is that (from playing dumb-dumb with my mainland Chinese peers) Kuo Min Tang Han Chinese actually now support a gradual ultimate subjugation towards mainland China. The minor tribes, however, who still hold some politcal sway in the current administration want the other way. An independent Taiwan, recognized as a separate state, just like it was before Nixon. Times change a lot of things. The Kuo Ming Tang wants to eventually crawl under the Communists.
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‘This action by Taiwan is not totally unrelated to the Chaing Bai mountain incident in 2007.’ wkj
won’t you elaborate, wkj? i’ve been wondering why the taiwanese would intentionally distort korean history.
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While I, grudgingly, acknowledge that my snarky remarks about P/N ran afoul of the censor’s new rules here, one my posts - # 11 I believe, was I think inappropriately deleted as off topic when it only picked up and ran with a very topical ball put in play by fantasy in #6.
“Someone said German history started around 1870ish.
I’m pretty sure the Holy Roman Empire did hold all of current German territory at least for 100 years, if not more.”
WJK:
It was me who said that, and I am German, after all. You and Pawi sure have got a point.
I know that my statement was provocative - and it was meant to be provocative. My point, in the Korea-related context, was to make fun of the Korean obsession with their 5,000 year-long history.
As for the Holy Roman Empire, yes indeed, you are right, it comprised most of what constitutes modern Germany (+ Austria, Switzerland, Czechia, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Eastern France, Northern and Central Italy…). The official administrative language was Latin, while (medieval) German was used by the majority of the population for their day-to-day business.
So, yes, it is possible to regard the Holy Roman Empire as a precursor of the modern Federal Republic of Germany of today, but frankly, I have my doubts about this classification.
Moreover, the Empire went into decline as from the middle of the 1200s, effectively dying a protracted death over 550 years, until it was formally disbanded in 1806, at the request of Napoleon Bonaparte, who had crowned himself French emperor in 1804 and did not cherish the thought of there being another emperor on the same continent (Europe).
He did not feel quite as strongly about the existence of the Chinese or of the Japanese Emperor, since they were simply too far away from him to come into view…