“And also while…(sorry I’m doing this here. Very sorry about this. All links from the BBC, though. Honestly, I didn’t even know about some of these things.)”

No need to apologize for hijacking threads like you always do. We’re quite used to this kind of rudeness.

Even the sheriff doesn’t mind.

Reality

” Japan feels the deepest sorrow about ____, this must be never repeated again.”

While…

Japan has no comprehensive law against human trafficking, and powerful criminal gangs, known as yakuza, operate an international trade in human slavery…The organisation questioned Japan’s “watch list” status, pointing to the lack of any concrete legal proposals to outlaw trafficking, and claimed Japan should be relegated to the bottom tier.

As of 2004.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asi.....809871.stm

And also while…(sorry I’m doing this here. Very sorry about this. All links from the BBC, though. Honestly, I didn’t even know about some of these things.)

News - Japan rejects sex slave appeal

More than 50 actions for damages have been filed against Japan by women forced to prostitute themselves during the war.
25 Mar 2003

News - Japan internet sex crimes rocket

Japan passed laws in 1999 making it a crime to pay for sex with minors under 18, or to sell or distribute child pornography, but teen prostitution remains widespread.
22 Aug 2002
News - Japan overturns sex slave ruling

The forced labourers came to Japan around 1943 to work at a factory in Toyama, central Japan.
29 Mar 2001

News - Japan WWII sex slave redress call

A group of “comfort women” in Taiwan begin a campaign to pressure Japan over abuse by their soldiers in WWII..
12 Mar 2005

News - China raps Japan over sex slaves

Mr Abe has said Japan will not go beyond a 1993 apology on the issue. Many historians say Japan compelled up to 200,000 women, mostly Chinese and Korean, to become sex slaves.
6 Mar 2007
News - Japan refuses sex slave apology

Many historians say Japan compelled up to 200,000 women, mostly Chinese and Korean, to become sex slaves.
5 Mar 2007
News - Japan anger at US sex slave bill

Japan admits its army forced women to be sex slaves during World War II but has rejected compensation claims.
19 Feb 2007

News - Japan to end WWII sex slave fund

Japan announces the closure of a fund set up to help Asian women forced into military brothels in WWII.. The issue continues to damage Japan’s relations with its Asian neighbours.
24 Jan 2005

News - Japan court denies sex slave case

Historians say some 200,000 young women - mainly Korean, but also from Taiwan, China, Indonesia and the Philippines - were forced to work as sex slaves during the war.
9 Feb 2004

News - Court battle over Japan school books

The book, like several others, omits any reference to the tens of thousands of women - most of them Korean - forced to serve as sex slaves for Japan’s military.
9 May 2001

News - Japan overturns sex-slave compensation

Nine court cases involving compensation claims for former sex slaves from Asian women are still pending in Japan.
29 Mar 2001

http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bi.....;scope=all

6 September 1984. Emperor Hirohito. “It is indeed regrettable that there was an unfortunate past between us for a period in this century and I believe that it should not be repeated again” (Meeting with President Chun Doo Hwan. TIME, September 17, 1984).

24 May 1990. Emperor Akihito. “Reflecting upon the suffering that your people underwent during this unfortunate period, which was brought about by our nation, I cannot but feel the deepest remorse” (Meeting with President Roh Tae Woo. 宮中晩餐会での今上天皇の盧泰愚大統領歓迎の勅語. (Nakano Bunko), Retrieved from http://www.geocities.jp/nakanolib/choku/ch02.htm ).

8 October 1996. Emperor Akihito. “There was a period when our nation brought to bear great sufferings upon the people of the Korean Peninsula.” “The deep sorrow that I feel over this will never be forgotten” (Speech at dinner with President Kim Dae Jung of the Republic of Korea. 宮中晩餐会での今上天皇の金大中大統領歓迎の勅語. (Nakano Bunko), Retrieved from http://www.geocities.jp/nakanolib/choku/ch10.htm ).

Nice job, blockhead, you could really tell what he or his dad’s talking about. No more “discussion” with you.

“she wanted the sex”

I don’t think so.

I af afraid you are not familiar with the situation the prostitutes were in.

As for living conditions of comfort stations, in some cases, it is not difficult to imagine that their living condition was horrible, as the testimonies say, coupled with other historical documents about relevant situation in Japan; in other case, their living condition was relatively good as we can see from the US report and again other historical documents about the times .
But the fact remains that their background plight was horrible.
As the industrialization began, the women of rural area had to find job in cities, but the job opportunity for them was scarce except, roughly , some hard work at factories with cheap payment or the brothels to get the money, to pay the debt she or her parent owed. It was happening in Japan and other Asian countries and it is still happening in some of Asian countries.
I don’t think prostitutes then just wanted sex, and I don’t think most of prostitutes in Asian countries now just want sex.
That is one reason why I don’t call them “whores” though you and Robert call them so or want me to say it.

wjk wrote;

“Japan did not attack China, Japan entered China”

You are not accurate here.
Japan invaded China just as western countries invaded it.

“North and South Korea will probably accept and stop complaining, if your Emperor issued a personal televised statement, accepting fault,”

Emperor has apologized several times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....d_by_Japan
But many of Korean people are not satisfied, nitpicking, for instance, that was not televised, that was not sincere enough or something like that.

Sonagi
Thanks.

I was giving information about wjk including my judgement about what he was doing . He must have been familiar with Korean Americans because he worked with them. It was up to him how he would judges wjk based on the information I gave.
…………………………………

On the whole, what I want to say is this.

I know there are some “righteous” people who want to say for their political agenda, for instance, there are intentional massive killing of civilians by the US is going on. But I don’t think it is wrong to correct the statement with backed up evidence. And it does not means that by doing that he is saying there was no killing of civilians , no injustice happened.
The reality is more nuanced and complex.

I am still open to the discussion, and I am willing to change my opinion, depending on the course of the discussion.

“I didn’t point out wjk is Korean American as a way to discredit wjk.”

Well, then why DID you mention his Korean ethnicity?

she wanted the sex.

Chosun wanted to be our slaves.(says Japan after finishing off the Dong Hak, Qing China, and Russia and coming with a force much greater than what caused Japan to open doors to Perry. It was almost like claiming the prize after “earning” it.)

Japan did not attack China, Japan entered China

Ponta, your stuff is hard to read,

http://www.webmonkey.com/webmo.....quote.html

Learn something new today. Set aside the Sankei Shimbun, just for today.

I assume you have a solid interest in such matters, because you seem to read Japanese, English, and Korean.

For the record, yeah I am a Korean and nationalist. I believe almost all of what kimsoft says.

Now, your turn.

To comment on Railwaycharm’s sincere question, I have a solution, inspired by noticing something on the bbc.

Your Japanese Emperor’s status and function in society should be similar to the British monarchy.

North and South Korea will probably accept and stop complaining, if your Emperor issued a personal televised statement, accepting fault, criticising past and present Japanese politicians who denied even the existence of comfort women, Unit 731, Nan Jing, forced labor, etc, and the Japanese Parliament passed a law to take care of these people who will die in 10 years anyway until death, financially from living expenses, health care, housing, and funeral expenses.

Your emperor might even win a Nobel Peace Prize and win Time magazine’s person of the year.

Prince Charles and Queen Elizabeth goes around the world to build goodwill towards Britain. Your Emperor can potentially do the same. Remember, both were hated intensely by neighboring nations for whatever reasons, but Britain’s house is looked upon favorably.

railwaycharm
I agree with your approach and your assessment “So, we all know what happened is wrong and terrible.”(though I want to take up this issue as
a particular in the universal, as I argued).

But

“I deal with the Japanese regularly. They think they are the best and frankly feel that Koreans are not sophisticated. It is dangerous to think that they will change anytime soon.”

This is not true and I am afraid it is misleading way to approach this issue.

I for one judge people on individual basis. And what do you get by putting the phrase into this issue?

Thanks

”
Get off your high-horse, Ponta.
Perhaps I should instead ask if you are receiving money from Japanese people to post your comments. Or perhaps point out, as you did with wjk as a way to discredit his comments, that you’re Japanese (and therefore your comments are biased). Perhaps I should ask what you’re wearing while you post your comments. And for a guy who like to throw the term “ultra-nationalist” around a lot, you seem quite sensitive about the terms “neo-nationalist” and “denier.””

Get off your hight horse, Robert.

To answer your question.
I am not receiving money from Japanese people to post my comments.
I didn’t point out wjk is Korean American as a way to discredit wjk.
(I am a bit surprised you quote my comment from occidentalism.)
“BTW WJK is an Korean American.
And in my judgment he is misdirecting the topic. Incidentally I think he is using the same tactics Korean newspapers were using.”

I didn’t say since he is Korean American, he is misdirecting….” I made myself clear many times that there are a lot of reasonable rational Korean American

I have used the term “ultra-nationalist” , roughly, to refer to people who are blind to the faults of their own nationality but blame endlessly other nationalities. and I used it to avoid a hasty generalization about a specific nationality. Just quote my comment where I used it misleadingly without substantive argument.
I mentioned “neo-nationalists” you used and “a holocaust denier” Richardson used to show how immature to use the term without substantive argument.

I don’t understand why you responded this way, without substantive argument on the topic, talking only about me to the comment to the effect let’s argue on the topic but not on the person who argue it, though it IS ironical.
I thought you ” get cracking at producing some, ahem, highbrow “National Review”-quality material then,”
But after all, you wrote before,
“Damn, and I was enjoying the trash posting. Thanks for being a buzzkill ”
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/.....ment-47440

Now Robert, to get back to the topic,

I argued against the allegation that Japanese troop systematically kidnapped to make women prostitutes.

I argued it is unreadable to reach that conclusion based on the evidences so far given.
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/.....ment-74495
(Keep in mind, in passing, I also said, I am open to new evidences and new argument.)

You ,on the other hand, have kept attacking my claim (and me) only based on the unreliable testimonies made more than 50 years later that in a few cases Japanese soldiers kidnapped them.

Now there are Vietnamese testimony that Korean soldiers systematically massacred Vietnamese citizens. By your logic, it is not unreasonable to say that Korean “mercenaries” routinely committed war crimes and Korean military officers were not against the atrocity/illegal acts, didn’t regulate it but rather facilitated it and Korean atrocity/illegal acts were planed and ordered by the the government level officers and had taken place systematically.

I asked this question to see if you are fair, or to show how unreasonable your inference is (and to show how self contradictory to use the term “neo-nationalist and holocaust denier to the person who tries to deny it.)

But you remained silent as to this question despite my asking a few times when Korean military crimes are in question.

It might not be sympathy for the Devil, but it certainly shows, it seems, some kind of failures in logic, fairness. And I believe this post is about the same kind of failure by Hankyoreh as to the case about Japanese war criminals and Korean war criminal in World War II. We’ve got to the topic again. albeit ironically.