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		<title>By: OneFreeKorea &#187; Anju Links for 3/25: N. Korea Threatens to Do Us a Favor, Money We Can&#8217;t Follow, the FTA Circus, and S. Korea&#8217;s Slavery-Loving Unions</title>
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		<dc:creator>OneFreeKorea &#187; Anju Links for 3/25: N. Korea Threatens to Do Us a Favor, Money We Can&#8217;t Follow, the FTA Circus, and S. Korea&#8217;s Slavery-Loving Unions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] FTA in the longer term, I think we&#8217;ve done Roh Moo Hyun enough favors this year.  Roh has portrayed the FTA as a humiliating burden to be borne rather than what it is &#8211; something that would be far better for Koreans than Americans (page [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] FTA in the longer term, I think we&#8217;ve done Roh Moo Hyun enough favors this year.  Roh has portrayed the FTA as a humiliating burden to be borne rather than what it is &#8211; something that would be far better for Koreans than Americans (page [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Getting to Yes through Poetry &#171; GUANO ISLAND</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/03/13/roh-speaks-on-fta-and-it-aint-good/#comment-74145</link>
		<dc:creator>Getting to Yes through Poetry &#171; GUANO ISLAND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: Maybe it was President Roh who ordered the poem be given and was not happy with the response it elicited, because the brother went off, threatening to scrap the whole thing. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ziffel</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/03/13/roh-speaks-on-fta-and-it-aint-good/#comment-74125</link>
		<dc:creator>ziffel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I think has been conspicuously absent from discussions on the FTA is the real possibility that it may be the Korean National Assembly that may fail to ratify any agreement.

The fixation on fast-track authority and a Democratically-controlled Senate perhaps has distracted us from this real possibility.  

As for Roh's comments, when I read them this morning, I had to ask myself, "why didn't you see this coming?"

Roh's upsides of this change in tack: 
1) exert some leverage (though not a lot, I think) on the negotiations; 
2) having devoted a decent portion of the little political capital he has left on this, provide for a face-saving exit should the negotiations break-down (which I think is not as unlikely as the media treatment would seem to suggest).

On the other hand, to cynically borrow a name used above, this might be nothing more than typical Roh "bipolar mindscrew."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I think has been conspicuously absent from discussions on the FTA is the real possibility that it may be the Korean National Assembly that may fail to ratify any agreement.</p>
<p>The fixation on fast-track authority and a Democratically-controlled Senate perhaps has distracted us from this real possibility.  </p>
<p>As for Roh&#8217;s comments, when I read them this morning, I had to ask myself, &#8220;why didn&#8217;t you see this coming?&#8221;</p>
<p>Roh&#8217;s upsides of this change in tack:<br />
1) exert some leverage (though not a lot, I think) on the negotiations;<br />
2) having devoted a decent portion of the little political capital he has left on this, provide for a face-saving exit should the negotiations break-down (which I think is not as unlikely as the media treatment would seem to suggest).</p>
<p>On the other hand, to cynically borrow a name used above, this might be nothing more than typical Roh &#8220;bipolar mindscrew.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strike&gt;Note that will be (rightfully) deleted by Oranckay.

I just wanted to say to Oranckay (and any other admins who might do the policing) - if you catch the things like #17 regularly, I'll do my best not to comment on them beforehand.

In fact, I'll try to force myself to change my habit right now.

If I see something like #17 - I'll make myself wait (around) 2 days before chiming in.

I'll have to write a sticky note beside my desk I have to see as I use the internet..&lt;/strike&gt; </description>
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<p><strike>Note that will be (rightfully) deleted by Oranckay.</p>
<p>I just wanted to say to Oranckay (and any other admins who might do the policing) - if you catch the things like #17 regularly, I&#8217;ll do my best not to comment on them beforehand.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;ll try to force myself to change my habit right now.</p>
<p>If I see something like #17 - I&#8217;ll make myself wait (around) 2 days before chiming in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to write a sticky note beside my desk I have to see as I use the internet..</strike></p>
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		<title>By: babarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>babarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"all the big papers have been for the FTA, it seems, and thus I don’t trust they would reflect the word-of-mouth among the masses"

All three major dailies in Korea- Chosun, Joongang, Donga- are conservatives, as are the majority of Koreans. How else could they remain in business for long periods as major papers, if the general public don't support their views? 

The reason why the sounds of "the mass" and the media, at least the paper one, seem differ is because those on the left of the political spectrum in Korea tend to make thuggish noises in the streets by bringing thousands of students who don't have clear ideas about what they believe in.

Noh's comment “time for korea to stop clinging to america’s crotch and hiding behind its ass.”
was reported some months ago when  his administration was finalising the agreement to bring back the wartime military command from the US.  I think he said to mean that Korea shouldn't rely on America for its defence, very much like what Kim JI would say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;all the big papers have been for the FTA, it seems, and thus I don’t trust they would reflect the word-of-mouth among the masses&#8221;</p>
<p>All three major dailies in Korea- Chosun, Joongang, Donga- are conservatives, as are the majority of Koreans. How else could they remain in business for long periods as major papers, if the general public don&#8217;t support their views? </p>
<p>The reason why the sounds of &#8220;the mass&#8221; and the media, at least the paper one, seem differ is because those on the left of the political spectrum in Korea tend to make thuggish noises in the streets by bringing thousands of students who don&#8217;t have clear ideas about what they believe in.</p>
<p>Noh&#8217;s comment “time for korea to stop clinging to america’s crotch and hiding behind its ass.”<br />
was reported some months ago when  his administration was finalising the agreement to bring back the wartime military command from the US.  I think he said to mean that Korea shouldn&#8217;t rely on America for its defence, very much like what Kim JI would say.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>judge judy, coming from a president who keeps getting us $@#&#38;~* by North Korea, I think that's pretty funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>judge judy, coming from a president who keeps getting us $@#&amp;~* by North Korea, I think that&#8217;s pretty funny.</p>
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		<title>By: judge judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>judge judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the straits times yesterday quoted noh as saying it was "time for korea to stop clinging to america's crotch and hiding behind its ass."  surely, if accurate, this sentiment must cross over into FTA negotiations.  however, it wasn't clear if economics are the crotch or that ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the straits times yesterday quoted noh as saying it was &#8220;time for korea to stop clinging to america&#8217;s crotch and hiding behind its ass.&#8221;  surely, if accurate, this sentiment must cross over into FTA negotiations.  however, it wasn&#8217;t clear if economics are the crotch or that ass.</p>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
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		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strike&gt;I look at every dlatn comment today or ever and wonder why this person wasn't banned long ago.&lt;/strike&gt;</description>
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<p><strike>I look at every dlatn comment today or ever and wonder why this person wasn&#8217;t banned long ago.</strike></p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strike&gt;
What white noise?  Honestly, if you hate the comments this much, why bother clicking the link and/or scrolling down?

Every comment above #17 was discussing the FTA and Roh's position on it.......gee wiz....&lt;/strike&gt;</description>
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<p><strike><br />
What white noise?  Honestly, if you hate the comments this much, why bother clicking the link and/or scrolling down?</p>
<p>Every comment above #17 was discussing the FTA and Roh&#8217;s position on it&#8230;&#8230;.gee wiz&#8230;.</strike></p>
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		<title>By: Linkd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>usinkorea - this isn't a time for anyone to wave banners for free trade, particularly with the US. It is as you suspect: a general anti-FT/US/globalization mood, but no specifics, since it is rare for specifics to leak from trade negotiations. The only cheerleading section is the reliable editorial staffs of the conservative newspapers.

slim - hurray for mercantilism, I say. The US and Russia/China fought their proxy war (the Cold War) in many ways around the world. In Africa, they just put small arms into everyone's hands and let them kill each other. In Latin America, they built up murderous military strongmen. In Cuba they almost killed us all. In Vietnam and Korea they fuelled civil wars. Seems to me a few decades of blatant mercantilism to help a client state build up its capital after decades of devastation was a fairly good call.

Of course, it had the unfortunate effect of leaving modern Koreans with the impression that mercatilism is a viable long-term economic strategy....pity, that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>usinkorea - this isn&#8217;t a time for anyone to wave banners for free trade, particularly with the US. It is as you suspect: a general anti-FT/US/globalization mood, but no specifics, since it is rare for specifics to leak from trade negotiations. The only cheerleading section is the reliable editorial staffs of the conservative newspapers.</p>
<p>slim - hurray for mercantilism, I say. The US and Russia/China fought their proxy war (the Cold War) in many ways around the world. In Africa, they just put small arms into everyone&#8217;s hands and let them kill each other. In Latin America, they built up murderous military strongmen. In Cuba they almost killed us all. In Vietnam and Korea they fuelled civil wars. Seems to me a few decades of blatant mercantilism to help a client state build up its capital after decades of devastation was a fairly good call.</p>
<p>Of course, it had the unfortunate effect of leaving modern Koreans with the impression that mercatilism is a viable long-term economic strategy&#8230;.pity, that.</p>
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