“Thanks to the Uri Party and its politics of jealousy (overseas Koreans are class enemies, race traitors, or both — take your pick), it is now necessary for young dual citizens to renounce their Korean citizenship before attaining the age of 20 reckoned on the Korean calendar. Anyone trying to do so after that age is presumed to be doing so in order to avoid military service obligation.”

I’m glad you brought that up. Roh and the rest of his Uri party defects are the definition of hypocrisy.

At least there are a few kyopos who actually volunteer for military duty. And aren’t responsible for trying to reduct the mandatory service period or get rid of the mandatory service.

“I’m not sure, Sperwer, but as the orientation program is being run at the Army’s training facility in Nonsan, there’s a chance that it might include something extra for breakfast.”

Training and discipline at Nonsan bootcamp is a complete joke now. Any underfit metrosexual boy could could pass the training regime without breaking a sweat. Hell, I don’t think even the moma-boys experianced culture-shock.

Its ridiculous how much has changed over there. The recruits are abusing the new “human rights” mentality. For example a couple of them got together and started fabricating false accusations to one of their squad leaders which ended up having his status revoked.

I knew some stuff like this was going to happen. I saw this coming from miles away when the government became “concerned” about military culture. Everyone in this country always moans about our military culture (Even blaming the Japanese for the military culture, which is ridiculous, but that’s another story), but nobody here is finding a good alternative to establishing strong discipline.

This problem isn’t just isolated in the army either. Even our Marine Corp is slacking off, even compared to one year ago, they’re a lot worse. It’s of any wonder, that career military guys or militarisitic individuals (who are the right people we ACTUALLY NEED are leaving the country).

(Catholics call this “penance.”)

now for visa purposes and to exempt me from serving in the ROKA, i had to delete my name from the family register once i got here. i think you can do this in the states or whatever country you (korean descent) live.

Yes, but.

Thanks to the Uri Party and its politics of jealousy (overseas Koreans are class enemies, race traitors, or both — take your pick), it is now necessary for young dual citizens to renounce their Korean citizenship before attaining the age of 20 reckoned on the Korean calendar. Anyone trying to do so after that age is presumed to be doing so in order to avoid military service obligation.

The rub is that thanks to haraboji’s “helpful” entry of baby Chulsoo-in-America (Koreatown Mike)’s name onto the family register, where Mike is born in America and grows up thinking of himself as “just American”, the discovery of Korean citizenship now often takes place later than the age after which it’s impossible under Korean law for Mike to effect renunciation of that citizenship. Oops. Through no fault of his own (and frankly, no real “fault” of his proud grandfather’s, either) our friend Mike gets stuck with his unwanted citizenship and its attendant military-service obligation.

The really fun part is how he gets to discover this: By getting arrested on a family visit, blocked at the airport after a business trip, or while attending a semester-abroad program here in his ancestral land.

Once again, whilst flailing about at class enemies — rich Koreans who connive to “just happen” to be in America when their privileged children are to be born — the Roh-Nothings have managed to harm a whole lot of innocent bystanders too. Just like their stupid “war” on real-estate speculators.

what i meant was that my wife has her own register and i’m on it (under her).

I’m curious about what you mean by your wife’s family register. Do you mean the registry of your wife’s family or the family register of your wife. I assume the latter since, based on my own experience, we big noses aren’t eligible for the registers of the families our spouses, who as married women also aren’t really any longer either under the established scheme of things (until the recent amendment of the hoju laws, anyway) that contemplated that they would then be enrolled on the registers of their husbands’ families. Since foreign men can;t have family registers, though, the system permits women who marry foreigners to create their own registers, on which their husbands and any children are then registered. The former aren’t citizens and. last time I paid any attention to it, the rules regarding the citizenship of the children was very complicated.