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	<title>Comments on: Yeosu fire to become diplomatic issue?</title>
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		<title>By: railwaycharm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/02/12/yeosu-fire-to-become-diplomatic-issue/#comment-69863</link>
		<dc:creator>railwaycharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Marmot, for lack of a better venue, I ask here, whatever became of my friends, the Busan 9? I miss their company!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Marmot, for lack of a better venue, I ask here, whatever became of my friends, the Busan 9? I miss their company!</p>
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		<title>By: railwaycharm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/02/12/yeosu-fire-to-become-diplomatic-issue/#comment-69770</link>
		<dc:creator>railwaycharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Wedge:

Hear, hear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Wedge:</p>
<p>Hear, hear!</p>
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		<title>By: Wedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racist = The comeback of the intellectually lazy.</description>
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		<title>By: railwaycharm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/02/12/yeosu-fire-to-become-diplomatic-issue/#comment-69764</link>
		<dc:creator>railwaycharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R. Elgin, be careful! Agreeing with me may paint you as a racist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R. Elgin, be careful! Agreeing with me may paint you as a racist!</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/02/12/yeosu-fire-to-become-diplomatic-issue/#comment-69758</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@terrible dan:

I haven't heard of the Chinese government taking up the matter of F4 visas for Chinese nationals, but ethnic Koreans in China, Russian, and Central Asia have complained about the double standard for years.  The problem from China's standpoint is that many ethnic Koreans might not return.  From Korea's standpoint, it is not prepared to handle a large influx of ethnic Koreans from developing countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@terrible dan:</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t heard of the Chinese government taking up the matter of F4 visas for Chinese nationals, but ethnic Koreans in China, Russian, and Central Asia have complained about the double standard for years.  The problem from China&#8217;s standpoint is that many ethnic Koreans might not return.  From Korea&#8217;s standpoint, it is not prepared to handle a large influx of ethnic Koreans from developing countries.</p>
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		<title>By: dogbertt</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/02/12/yeosu-fire-to-become-diplomatic-issue/#comment-69756</link>
		<dc:creator>dogbertt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In legal terms, I like to think of Korea as the ultimate "assumption of risk" society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In legal terms, I like to think of Korea as the ultimate &#8220;assumption of risk&#8221; society.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/02/12/yeosu-fire-to-become-diplomatic-issue/#comment-69753</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All the lawsuits in the world will not change the Koreans cultural denial of danger. . . The change has to come from within.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Actually Railway is absolutely correct here.  There is even a Korean term for being "numb to danger" (I can not remember it just now), thus this very sort of blindness to danger is a mindset that does exist in Korea and may be unique as well.

The Chinese counsel general expressing concern over "humane" treatment of Chinese citizens is very much an act of hypocrisy and is an indication of how deep the level of cynicism in Chinese Government.  A curse on the lot of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All the lawsuits in the world will not change the Koreans cultural denial of danger. . . The change has to come from within.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually Railway is absolutely correct here.  There is even a Korean term for being &#8220;numb to danger&#8221; (I can not remember it just now), thus this very sort of blindness to danger is a mindset that does exist in Korea and may be unique as well.</p>
<p>The Chinese counsel general expressing concern over &#8220;humane&#8221; treatment of Chinese citizens is very much an act of hypocrisy and is an indication of how deep the level of cynicism in Chinese Government.  A curse on the lot of them.</p>
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		<title>By: terrible dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>terrible dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is, (in the Chinese example) why isn't the treatment of ethnic Koreans of Chinese origin an issue? China's economy may be sizeable, but what developing country doesn't want to maximize remittances? If Chinese-Koreans were given the same visas as their North American counterparts, wouldn't their earning potential increase and find more cash in China's pockets?

If the climate right now truly is one of 친중사대주의, then it's something for China to consider pressing for...well, that and everything else they want. East Yellow Sea, anyone? Sorry if this has been discussed at length before...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is, (in the Chinese example) why isn&#8217;t the treatment of ethnic Koreans of Chinese origin an issue? China&#8217;s economy may be sizeable, but what developing country doesn&#8217;t want to maximize remittances? If Chinese-Koreans were given the same visas as their North American counterparts, wouldn&#8217;t their earning potential increase and find more cash in China&#8217;s pockets?</p>
<p>If the climate right now truly is one of 친중사대주의, then it&#8217;s something for China to consider pressing for&#8230;well, that and everything else they want. East Yellow Sea, anyone? Sorry if this has been discussed at length before&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: railwaycharm</title>
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		<dc:creator>railwaycharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good story Leefr. See, Sine qua non! Our good man has an opinion about his fallen classmates; he is certainly not a racist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good story Leefr. See, Sine qua non! Our good man has an opinion about his fallen classmates; he is certainly not a racist?</p>
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		<title>By: leefr</title>
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		<dc:creator>leefr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of when I was undergrad.

There was a pond(for lack of a better word) in our school, about neck deep and pretty scummy, that the students would throw each other into during school festivals, etc. Mostly done in harmless fun, not all that different in spirit from the horsing around American frat boys might engage in. Only thing was, I looked at what they were doing and saw a potential lethal accident, although I wasn't sure how or when it would happen.

As it turns out, in my sophomore year some students from the central student council got drunk celebrating the election of their new leadership, and although it was nighttime and raining cats and dogs so that the water level of the pond had risen substantially, they decided to haul ass over to the pond and baptize their newly elected buddies by throwing them in. I think about three people died that night, one of them jumping in to try and rescue the other two when it became obvious they were in danger. It was a very sad and stupid situation. I doubt any of them ever seriously thought of the danger of drowning that any body of water can pose, never mind any elementary knowledge of lifesaving(in which the cardinal rule is never to go into the water after a drowning person unless you can help it).

Needless to say, the practice died out immediately, and I'd say most of the students at my school today probably don't even know about the incident by now. More's the pity - I'm not sure that the current student body is any more 'danger aware' than during my day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of when I was undergrad.</p>
<p>There was a pond(for lack of a better word) in our school, about neck deep and pretty scummy, that the students would throw each other into during school festivals, etc. Mostly done in harmless fun, not all that different in spirit from the horsing around American frat boys might engage in. Only thing was, I looked at what they were doing and saw a potential lethal accident, although I wasn&#8217;t sure how or when it would happen.</p>
<p>As it turns out, in my sophomore year some students from the central student council got drunk celebrating the election of their new leadership, and although it was nighttime and raining cats and dogs so that the water level of the pond had risen substantially, they decided to haul ass over to the pond and baptize their newly elected buddies by throwing them in. I think about three people died that night, one of them jumping in to try and rescue the other two when it became obvious they were in danger. It was a very sad and stupid situation. I doubt any of them ever seriously thought of the danger of drowning that any body of water can pose, never mind any elementary knowledge of lifesaving(in which the cardinal rule is never to go into the water after a drowning person unless you can help it).</p>
<p>Needless to say, the practice died out immediately, and I&#8217;d say most of the students at my school today probably don&#8217;t even know about the incident by now. More&#8217;s the pity - I&#8217;m not sure that the current student body is any more &#8216;danger aware&#8217; than during my day.</p>
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