A quick piece to point out Mr. Jang W. Choi, a christian musician who is apparently trying to educate the world on copyrights and how they fit into the christian world view.
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Speaking of copyrights, last week the missus was watching a Korean drama on which they played an entire Elic Crapton song, and I have a feeling Mr. Crapton did not receive a single won for that.
Every time Korean TV shows play songs without paying royalties, god electrocutes an angel
So, now it’s a sin to sing a song in church unless someone got paid royalties?
Don’t be silly… just the copyrighted ones - most hymns are in the public domain.
Don’t be silly… just the copyrighted ones - most hymns are in the public domain.
Rimshot.
I’m ronry, so ronry….
I recall that Jesus drove out the money changers and salesmen who were selling in the temple area. If you’re producing something with significant artistic value, that’s one thing, but if you are claiming to have some truth that will increase people’s faith, but profiting instead of giving it away out of love, then you are a fraud.
Then again, this isn’t the right place to debate this. I think I’ll post on the website.
I can’t imagine why anyone would illegally download Contemporary Christian Music™ or copy it as sheet music in the first place, let alone buy it. It’s about the most horrid music out there.
Leave the sappy ballads to pop musicians. We Christians have Gregorian Chant and Sacred Polyphony.
I can’t imagine why anyone would illegally download Contemporary Christian Music™ or copy it as sheet music in the first place, let alone buy it. It’s about the most horrid music out there.
Leave the sappy ballads to pop musicians. We Christians have Gregorian Chant and Sacred Polyphony. No copyright issues with stuff from the Middle Ages or the Renaissance either!
Sorry for the double post above under “katolik shinja,” my old blog. This comment is linked to my new blog.
Thats goinna’ cost ‘ya a few rosaries.
Actually I distinctly remember in my pre-teenage rebellious stage that my parents’ Pentecostal church had to begin displaying the copyright notices with the hymn lyrics on the overhead projector… I’m not sure if royalties were paid…
It seems to me that a lot of this argument simply falls into another of Jesus’ sayings- “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s” -that capitalism is inheritantly non-Christian… making profit is evil.
Jesus saves, shop at Sears and save, therefore Jesus shops at Sears.
Absolutely. Priests shouldn’t be paid, nor should churches. It’s really sick how these institutions profit by exploiting God. What the heck do they need a big, air conditioned building with a high steeple for anyhow? After all, if the message were valid, they’d be doing their work out of barns instead of pimping God in order to buy an ice machine for the priests’ lounge. It’s absolutely disgusting.
Oh… you were talking about copyright? Well… I suppose you could make the argument that the rights-holders to these songs shouldn’t be exploiting their rights. But then again, why be a cheapskate?
So ‘render unto the copyright owner what is the copyright owner’s’ isn’t a logical extension of that? So why shouldn’t churches either pay royalties or else ask for a royalty-free license from the copyright holders of the songs they use in church? Anyhow, there are literally thousands of public-domain hymns out there. Any church has more than a few choices for what music they want to perform, so why not make those that want to use copyrighted work (probably because that hip, young minister wants a song with arrangements for his electric guitar) pony up the cash that they’re legally obligated to?
“Leave the sappy ballads to pop musicians. We Christians have Gregorian Chant and Sacred Polyphony. No copyright issues with stuff from the Middle Ages or the Renaissance either!”
I take it that you’re Catholic…Well, you forget one important ‘fact’: “Catholics aren’t Christians” (or so claim the majority of consumers of “christian contemporary music”).
Zonath: I totally agree with your last post…
I was just pointing out that Jesus didn’t copyright his Sermon on the Mount and Peter never trademarked the sign of the cross… in fact, Jesus probably would support copyrights, but he would also support that people pay musicians, not some fucktard lawyer in a suit… I don’t think he would support the big record labels on this one.
Copyright is a form of property defined by law. According to the Bible, Christians are to submit to governmental authority “for there is no authority except that which God has established.” Therefore, an affront to copyright law is also an affront to God. As someone aptly quoted above, “render to Caesar what is Caesar’s.” Christians don’t get a free pass no matter their evangelistic justifications. Bias disclaimer: I am a Christian.
Uhh, such thought is so nonsensical. If you take something that does not belong to you and it was not given freely, compensation is in order. The composer has to earn a living too so that they might write music, so to deny the composer or musician compensation is to starve them out of writing music.
Artist: White Zombie
Song: More human than human
Album: Astro-Creep: 2000
Jesus lived his life in a cheap hotel
on the edge of Route 66 yeah He lived a dark and
twisted life and he came right back just to do it
again - Eye for and eye and a tooth for the truth -
I ain’t never seen a demon warp deal’n a
ring-a-ding rhythm or jukebox racket my
mind can’t clutch the feeling - yeah!
DEVILMAN - DEVILMAN - calling DEVILMAN
running in MY HEAD YEAH
DEVILMAN - DEVILMAN - calling DEVILMAN
running in MY HEAD YEAH
Hell hounds lead at the cowardly kings
And carry souls across the river Styx
yeah! They see no evil and feel no pain
Sucking juice from a fallen angel - I dreamed
I was a super nova fucker nitro-
Burning and fuel injection - Feed the gods a strychnine
Soul a motherfucker of invention
DEVILMAN - DEVILMAN - calling DEVILMAN
running in MY HEAD YEAH
DEVILMAN - DEVILMAN - calling DEVILMAN
running in MY HEAD YEAH
Yeah inbreed the witches
and woship the dogs
Deformed and fuck’n lazy
Damn yourself and choke
On my name I’d love to love ya baby
Deadringer rats swinging in the trees
Immaculate conception Bury me an angel God I need
some inspiration
DEVILMAN - DEVILMAN - calling DEVILMAN
running in MY HEAD YEAH
DEVILMAN - DEVILMAN - calling DEVILMAN
running in MY HEAD YEAH
“Uhh, such thought is so nonsensical. If you take something that does not belong to you and it was not given freely, compensation is in order…”
That’s pretty much how the Scientologists operate. Nothing is free once you’re a convert, and whatever literature you pay for isn’t yours, but rather on an ‘extended loan’ that will be terminated if you chose to leave the religion.
…I guess you could say they run a tight ship.
Someguy, your comment is tasteless. Scientology has nothing to do with musicians getting paid for their work. Maybe you would like to compare musicans to Hitler next . . . ?
Elgin,
You misunderstood me. It has something to do with copyrighting religion. Everything Scientology publishes is copyrighted, even its religious texts (imagine if Mohamed’s descendants charged royalties on the Quran or the Gideons were charged with distributing pirated material).
…if the Gideons were arrested…sorry about the confusing redundancy.
Scientology does attach a $dollar figure for all of the literature and also the audit sessions. Scientology is a business.