The problem with the second doc, again made in the US, was that it was very sympathetic to leftist radicals such as the Black Panthers, Weather Underground, etc, while being very unsympathetic to the police and government and yet, when things turned to examining radical rightist groups, then the show was relatively sympthetic with the police and not at all with the militias and others such as those from Waco. In effect, the show promoted the idea that its ok and correct to be anti-government if you’re a leftist (since it’s for the ‘greater good’), whereas rightists are just disgusting criminal racists who don’t follow laws. I don’t need to hear some commie like Angela Davis telling me that the Black Panthers were really a beneficial social organization. Why were there no interviews with supporters of Randy Weaver or the Waco bunch saying they were actually good people?

YTN seems to have no qualms in trying to indoctrinate its Korean viewers with leftist anti-American tripe, so I think the station is yet another amateurish Korean station not worth watching.

sound good to me, wheres the first stake? I’ll help them pack too.

My only request is you guys leave the Navy Club intact!

Ha, ha, it is to laugh…I don’t think lowly of Koreans US. I accept them for who they are. I have no illusions that I am a (guest) non-Korean here and not every door will open for me as such. I realize that bigotry exists here however; it seems to be evenly spread to all non-Koreans. Of course it is wrong, despicable etc… It is what it is. I personally do not choose to chase down windmills over this matter. Koreans will not amend their culture for our convenience.

Now on the other hand, If you have some other reason to be here as Korea’s resident victim, all the best luck to you. I am here to make a living and I like the overseas experience. You have some reasonable arguments to my point’s usinkorea however, you have failed to sell them to me.

USFK should have organized weekend bus trips to Hongdae for the soldiers. Seriously. If someone gets out of hand then ban them.

The Korean gov’t should explain with PSAs why the U.S. troops are here and what their contribution is. OR tell the U.S. to take them home. Support them or let them leave.

None of this will happen of course because it’s easier to play in the mud than act like grown ups.

I get the feeling railwaycharm is trying desperately to hold onto dillusions that allow him to remain in Korean society - which he apparently thinks so lowly about - chasing that buck…

Koreans would have no problem admitting that “don’t get involved” mentality is a reality in Korean society when it comes to things like seeing a public confrontation (whether between 2 men or a man-and-woman or whatever)….(except between a non-Korean and a Korean)…

You have completely over-simplified the collative continuousness of this backwards Republic.

Yup. Here is the crux of the matter — which I believe you and I discussed previously with pretty much the same words.

It was somewhere a few weeks ago when I pointed out that it seems one reason why I buttheads with the “guest” analogy with some people is that I have a higher respect for Korea (and for nations in general).

When I start saying Korea should “love me” - grab that quote and use it in the future - because that has never come out of my mouth….

Basically, what your position boils down to is that — natoins can do whatever they damn well please with non-natives. That since something is so wide-spread in a society, and the foreigner should have known that before coming in, they should expect what they get.

I guess that the fact that I don’t piss in the street, or pass out in front of the bar, means I am taking it in the ass?

If you want utopia you will have to look elsewhere.

Nice dodges, just like the “love” line, but it won’t fly.

As I stated above, I don’t care what the status of the foreigner in Korea (or any country) is - tourist or buck earner or whatever - you cannot excuse negative items pointed at those foreigners……just because it is very common in that society.

To point to non-Korean complaints about how their media (and other social institutions) blow out of propotion “pissing on walls” (or even a violent rape or murder, and the dozens of other things the society uses to justify bigotry), and say “Shut up and live with it. It’s not your country. You’re a guest here….” — is shit.

I don’t consider South Korea to be a “backward Republic” - but even if I did - complaining about the backwardness would be just fine — and trying to dismiss it by saying foreigners are “guests” and have no basis for complaining is — shit.