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	<title>Comments on: Gee, that&#8217;s a lot of unhappy barbarians</title>
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		<title>By: railwaycharm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/31/gee-thats-a-lot-of-unhappy-barbarians/#comment-66839</link>
		<dc:creator>railwaycharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a painful experience buying Eric Clapton concert tickets....</description>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/31/gee-thats-a-lot-of-unhappy-barbarians/#comment-66264</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iwshim,

It's also easy to get a Korean credit card.  I've had 2 for nearly 10 years.  Despite the fact that I'm a permanent resident, my ID number still isn't accepted by most sites (it's based on a different algorithm...which doesn't make much sense since I'm a landed immigrant...just a step away from being a citizen).  My money isn't good enough for them.  

PS.  In Canada, all social insurance numbers are based on the same algorithm.  The first digit depends on the province where a person was residing when he or she applied for a card and the numbers assigned to landed immigrants begin with a 9.    Then again, it would be illegal for online stores and other websites to ask for one's social insurance number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iwshim,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also easy to get a Korean credit card.  I&#8217;ve had 2 for nearly 10 years.  Despite the fact that I&#8217;m a permanent resident, my ID number still isn&#8217;t accepted by most sites (it&#8217;s based on a different algorithm&#8230;which doesn&#8217;t make much sense since I&#8217;m a landed immigrant&#8230;just a step away from being a citizen).  My money isn&#8217;t good enough for them.  </p>
<p>PS.  In Canada, all social insurance numbers are based on the same algorithm.  The first digit depends on the province where a person was residing when he or she applied for a card and the numbers assigned to landed immigrants begin with a 9.    Then again, it would be illegal for online stores and other websites to ask for one&#8217;s social insurance number.</p>
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		<title>By: The Goat</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/31/gee-thats-a-lot-of-unhappy-barbarians/#comment-66261</link>
		<dc:creator>The Goat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No better or worse than anywhere else.  Some things better, some things some things are worse and somethings are a touch annoying (read - different) but...meh...whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No better or worse than anywhere else.  Some things better, some things some things are worse and somethings are a touch annoying (read - different) but&#8230;meh&#8230;whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/31/gee-thats-a-lot-of-unhappy-barbarians/#comment-66260</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The venerable Horace H. Underwood had to get a Korean co-signer when he applied for a credit card with a Korean bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The venerable Horace H. Underwood had to get a Korean co-signer when he applied for a credit card with a Korean bank.</p>
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		<title>By: jonallen</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/31/gee-thats-a-lot-of-unhappy-barbarians/#comment-66252</link>
		<dc:creator>jonallen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a shame the CPB seems to have given up updating their website in English.
http://english.cpb.or.kr/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame the CPB seems to have given up updating their website in English.<br />
<a href="http://english.cpb.or.kr/" rel="nofollow">http://english.cpb.or.kr/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jonallen</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/31/gee-thats-a-lot-of-unhappy-barbarians/#comment-66251</link>
		<dc:creator>jonallen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The survey was also reported in the JoonAng Daily.

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2871863
It started off with the positive news :

"Only 17 percent of those polled said they were dissatisfied with their lives in Korea".

And then carried on with the list of whingers and complainers.

You wonder how the CPB selected their sample and phrased their questions, because it sounds like they were looking for problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The survey was also reported in the JoonAng Daily.</p>
<p><a href="http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2871863" rel="nofollow">http://joongangdaily.joins.com.....id=2871863</a><br />
It started off with the positive news :</p>
<p>&#8220;Only 17 percent of those polled said they were dissatisfied with their lives in Korea&#8221;.</p>
<p>And then carried on with the list of whingers and complainers.</p>
<p>You wonder how the CPB selected their sample and phrased their questions, because it sounds like they were looking for problems.</p>
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		<title>By: iwshim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/31/gee-thats-a-lot-of-unhappy-barbarians/#comment-66241</link>
		<dc:creator>iwshim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tip: I have had cell phone registered to me for 12 years. The guys selling you the phone could care less if you were ET. The problem is when they enter your English name in the computer to register the phone, the system at KT and other providers will red flag any thing not Kim Chul Soo. 

Use a Korean name as an alias and your alien registration number; and all will be fine. 

You can later use the bill you received under the alias for other things you would not other wise have access to. 

PS: A quote from The Shawshank Redemption by Andy Dufresne: “You would be surprised at what you can become, open, and access in the real world once you have a library card”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tip: I have had cell phone registered to me for 12 years. The guys selling you the phone could care less if you were ET. The problem is when they enter your English name in the computer to register the phone, the system at KT and other providers will red flag any thing not Kim Chul Soo. </p>
<p>Use a Korean name as an alias and your alien registration number; and all will be fine. </p>
<p>You can later use the bill you received under the alias for other things you would not other wise have access to. </p>
<p>PS: A quote from The Shawshank Redemption by Andy Dufresne: “You would be surprised at what you can become, open, and access in the real world once you have a library card”</p>
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		<title>By: globalvillageidiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>globalvillageidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shopping is much better than it was in the 90s, as far as what is available.  (Still lame compared to Thailand, to give an example, but improving.)  Anyway, while good beer and wine remains somewhat overpriced (and sometimes hard to find in the local 'supa'), and beef, rice, fruit, and vegetables are especially expensive, I can't complain about not being able to enjoy a lot of creature comforts.

Because my wife is Korean, I haven't had all that much grief with cell phones, etc.  However, not having a national ID number, it is a pain in the ass to have to rely on her for a few basics.  I'd rather be able to take care of some of these things myself.  And, it is odd when one KB bank turns you down for a credit card, but the one down the street has a manager who personally processes your application for you!

As for customer service, I don't expect what I get back home (and that can suck too, even if a 15% or 20% tip may hang in the balance.)  To be honest, Koreans don't seem to get any less in the area of customer service than I do.  Actually, sometimes I think the occasional salesperson or manager makes more of an effort to help because I am a foreigner.  Unfortunately, were I black or of a south/southeast Asian background, this might be completely different.  I think DDA's comment on service being "great, even if uneven sometimes" is pretty accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shopping is much better than it was in the 90s, as far as what is available.  (Still lame compared to Thailand, to give an example, but improving.)  Anyway, while good beer and wine remains somewhat overpriced (and sometimes hard to find in the local &#8217;supa&#8217;), and beef, rice, fruit, and vegetables are especially expensive, I can&#8217;t complain about not being able to enjoy a lot of creature comforts.</p>
<p>Because my wife is Korean, I haven&#8217;t had all that much grief with cell phones, etc.  However, not having a national ID number, it is a pain in the ass to have to rely on her for a few basics.  I&#8217;d rather be able to take care of some of these things myself.  And, it is odd when one KB bank turns you down for a credit card, but the one down the street has a manager who personally processes your application for you!</p>
<p>As for customer service, I don&#8217;t expect what I get back home (and that can suck too, even if a 15% or 20% tip may hang in the balance.)  To be honest, Koreans don&#8217;t seem to get any less in the area of customer service than I do.  Actually, sometimes I think the occasional salesperson or manager makes more of an effort to help because I am a foreigner.  Unfortunately, were I black or of a south/southeast Asian background, this might be completely different.  I think DDA&#8217;s comment on service being &#8220;great, even if uneven sometimes&#8221; is pretty accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah, not too persuasive. The Japanese student complains “There seem to be too many complicated procedures that foreigners have to go through to live here,” so now he knows what it’s like for foreigners in Japan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, try to open a bank account in Japan, without a resident card, see how it goes...

My first mobile phone was a PCS, way back when, a 016 number, and the shop never had a problem with my white skin and foreign ID. Problems started in the 21 Century, I think. By then I had been married for a few years, and Da Missus took care of all these things anyway :-)

And I'm with Robert here, lack of information, grmbl; cultural differences, yeah right, get yer ass back home. Service in Korea is great, even if uneven sometimes, and that's one of the things Da Missus and I miss now that we've left – but then again we live in France, where "service" was KIA a long time ago... I still can't get to open a [new] bank account in my home country, since I don't have a fixed income, aka salary. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah, not too persuasive. The Japanese student complains “There seem to be too many complicated procedures that foreigners have to go through to live here,” so now he knows what it’s like for foreigners in Japan.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, try to open a bank account in Japan, without a resident card, see how it goes&#8230;</p>
<p>My first mobile phone was a PCS, way back when, a 016 number, and the shop never had a problem with my white skin and foreign ID. Problems started in the 21 Century, I think. By then I had been married for a few years, and Da Missus took care of all these things anyway <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m with Robert here, lack of information, grmbl; cultural differences, yeah right, get yer ass back home. Service in Korea is great, even if uneven sometimes, and that&#8217;s one of the things Da Missus and I miss now that we&#8217;ve left – but then again we live in France, where &#8220;service&#8221; was KIA a long time ago&#8230; I still can&#8217;t get to open a [new] bank account in my home country, since I don&#8217;t have a fixed income, aka salary. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My biggest grievance is with requiring the Korean national ID number for everything on the net.  A  draconian rule to control access to the internet, thus censoring minors, foreigners, foreign residents, and any one else who cannot be easily controled by the Korean government.  They've essentially created an intranet, which is not unlike what exists in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My biggest grievance is with requiring the Korean national ID number for everything on the net.  A  draconian rule to control access to the internet, thus censoring minors, foreigners, foreign residents, and any one else who cannot be easily controled by the Korean government.  They&#8217;ve essentially created an intranet, which is not unlike what exists in China.</p>
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