I know of a Pakistani national who is indeed a US citizen in everyway, yet talks politically as if he’d do stuff for Pakistan over US interests.

Again, contrary to conventional thought, this is not a Korean thing, where only American kyopos would pull a Robert Kim. I think one Israeli US American was caught once for spying for the benefit of Israel from classified American secrets. Recently, too. And I think he seeked asylum in Israel.

In my opinion, to be truly American American, it takes more than 2 generations, to view the land you were born in as your own. This applies to every culture and background.

Early Irish immigrants stuck by the Catholic church and Ireland closer to the USA, even if they were born in the USA. Also thanks to early prejudice against non WASP people in the US.

Don’t forget also that there were plenty of WASP American people in the CIA who were double spying for both the US and the Russians or straight up working for the benefit of the Russians, even though they had no blood ties whatsoever with the Russians.

Think about that before you label all US Koreans as potential Robert Kims.

I had a colleague at work, born in the US like me, who had his bank account frozen for a period of time. The FBI came and investigated him. No joke. The reason? He had the same last name as one of the hijackers.

Wasn’t Ted Kennedy on the “no-fly list”?

These things happen, and not just to Arabs.

On another note, Robert Kennedy, probably one of the most-loved Americans of his day, was murdered by a foreigner, an Arab. Was there an anti-foreigner backlash at the time?

I had a colleague at work, born in the US like me, who had his bank account frozen for a period of time. The FBI came and investigated him. No joke. The reason? He had the same last name as one of the hijackers.

This was an AMERICAN. At the time I wondered if Internment Camps like the ones in Hawaii during WWII were next.

Well, as you already said, the two incidences in Korea were accidents while McVeigh PLANNED his crime. He was sentenced to death and died. The 9.11 hijackers also died, albeit not at the hands of the US justice system.

What are you advocating, that the Korean driver and the two US soldiers be executed??

Yes, I agree with you that there would not be a big stink if a Korean driver ACCIDENTALLY killed someone in the US. (BTW, how do you define Korean? Do you mean someone who is a US citizen or someone who is not?) But the point is the US and Korea are NOT the same country. Different size, different make-up, etc. Plus, one country has grown THROUGH immigration for over 400 years (since immigration really began long before July 4, 1776), some of it willing, some of it forced. Korea, on the other hand, was a tiny country that tried to mind its own business but found itself invaded here, taken over there, and now being a younger brother dependant on yet another powerful country. Different circumstances, and very apples and oranges. I am NOT justifying some of the young Koreans’ negative attitudes toward the US. What I am saying is that I can see how people could be angered about a crime a foreigner commits in the home country.

I STILL don’t know why, in Singapore, American Michael Fay got off with a few less paddling licks on his *ss than the Singaporeans did; he committed a crime, and he had to pay the price. Why should an American get off any easier than the two Singaporean boys who got more licks with the paddle? And most of America at the time agreed with me.

However, for another example, the U.S. federal government has expended much effort in shutting down white supremacists and their oddball religious movements. So I cannot accept your argument that attitudes in the U.S. are analogous to Korea.

I was living in the U.S. at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing and I remember the reaction of the country at the time. True, it differed from the post-9/11 reaction in one respect, which was the tightening of the borders. Obviously, as a citizen, tightening border controls would not have prevented what McVeigh did. Post-9/11, however, we can restrict foreign elements who have announced their goal to harm us.

Again, though, this is irrelevant to the 2002 accidental killings of the two Korean girls.

Unlike Oklahoma City and 9/11, it was an accident. 9/11 was an attack by foreign elements against the U.S. Do you claim that what happened in Korea was the same?

In that respect, why are Koreans drawing a distinction between accidental killings committed by Koreans and those caused by others? If a Korean living in America gets drunk and kills someone while driving, would our reactions as Americans be any different than had an (non-Korean) American done the same? No, they wouldn’t, and you know that’s true.

That is the difference between Koreans and Americans in their thinking.

Finally, why don’t you tell me where Tim McVeigh is now?

dogbertt wrote:
“A couple of days ago, an express bus driver who was ‘feeling sleepy’ plowed into two vans carrying guests on their way to a wedding in Seoul, killing ten. So far, there is no national outrage.

“A U.S. Army vehicle accidentally kills two Korean girls walking in a road and there is a huge national outcry.”

There IS a difference between incidences where a person of a particular country commits a crime versus foreigners in that country committing it.

It’s actually worse in the US (discrimination against fellow Americans sometimes) as I will illustrate:

Timothy McVeigh blew up a building in Oklahoma City. No outrage against white Protestant American ex-soldiers. No questioning about what is wrong with the Christian faith or with white people.

Sept. 11, 2001, we know what happened in NY. Many Americans then blame the religion of Islam and disciminate against Americans of Arab descent.

“If you’re not gay, there’s a way.”

Dogbert, that is a bit misleading. Nowadays you can get caught with a cock in your mouth and get off scot free, but heaven forbid you get caught with a Russian chick on your lap after midnight.