Prolly true. Here in NYC, we have people with engineering degrees driving cabs, working in restaurants, running newspaper stands, etc.

“…Last time I checked, India and China are producing 1.5 million scientists and engineers per year…”

Somewhere fairly recently, I read a “deconstruction” of a similar statistic pertaining to China (don’t remember if it covered India as well). I can’t remember where I saw it now, might have been on-line, might have been print edition of WSJ; doubt if I can find it again, so you’ll have to take my word for what I remember.

Turns out this assertion was based on official Chinese government statistics. After analyzing the numbers in detail, the analyst or analysts deduced that the Chinese had to be reporting local guys turning wrenches in garages, plumbers, etc as “engineers”, for the purpose of compiling this “official” government statistic.

Sorry, Charlie…nice try.

This thread is the riddle, and this thread (courtesy of Metropolitician) holds the answer I was getting at.

Certain races have a demonstrated propensity to lie, cheat, and steal.

Considering the makeup of the prison population, I guess you are pointing fingers at our white brethren?

Many still have this “elite” education in mind. Do you really know what you are saying? You want to limit access to these knowleges so that only your kind can learn and use.

That is evil. When it is practiced along skin color, that is racism.

“If I have any concern about affirmative action, it is the tendency of affirmative action policies to sacrifice standards for socio-political gains. In that regard, I am exceptionally qualified to speak on this matter since I went to CCNY.”

To play devil’s advocate, if I were any ethnicity other than the golden White/Asian hegemon twin crushers, wouldn’t I support sacrificing standards for socio-political gains? What stakes would I have in these standards which kept me out?

I’m saying, if I had a set of parents immigrated from Brazil, how do you think they would view YOU and white guys (like me) ? Think you would somehow be exempt from the jealousy? I think they would hate your Asian guts.

Asians in America are about a generation from finding out…as jewish people did…when you reach a certain size, you can assimilate and grow, or not assimilate and shrink.

What can you do when the people who pay for the school (black taxpayers) don’t get any service?

The way I see it, it’s better late than never. Better to teach these kids basic math & reading then denying all of them a chance. As a NYC resident, I fear denying them a chance at life. Having lived in the ‘hood, my personal safety depends on their success.

I’m sure it must break a lot of hearts to see their alma mater go down the tube. But the school’s spirit is really impressive and beautiful.

Just turning these schools into elite engineering schools won’t turn these kids into engineers. All it will do is siphon off the engineers who would have gone somewhere else or encourage more immigrants to come to study in America.

In the United States, if you are smart and ambitious, you can still find financial means to go to a good school, so CCNY or CUNY or whatever isn’t the only option for you. I think it’s better to have a diversity of educational options.

I heard that one, too. It was from a CCNY PhD graduate, female Jewish. Open admissions killed the school.

I also saw a tutoring program for every conceivable subject at a major public university, but to get into it, your skin color had to be something or you had to be poor as hell by tax return standards. Tutoring free or charge. Actually, a misallocation of funds for people who got into the school, but weren’t good enough to stay in school, so the school sets aside money to push them along. As long as you were a qualified minority and you were taking any class, the school found you a tutor and paid for it. Not for a Korean boy.