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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/05/tithing-the-court/#comment-61960</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But of course many Korean Protestants don’t consider Catholics to be real “Christians” anyway, so this may not be relevant. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not only Korean protestants.  US Evangelicals are active in Catholic majority countries like Ireland, Mexico, and the Philippines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But of course many Korean Protestants don’t consider Catholics to be real “Christians” anyway, so this may not be relevant. </p></blockquote>
<p>Not only Korean protestants.  US Evangelicals are active in Catholic majority countries like Ireland, Mexico, and the Philippines.</p>
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		<title>By: uhoooooo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/05/tithing-the-court/#comment-61959</link>
		<dc:creator>uhoooooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He seems to self-believe that he tithed to the church and  want for his tithe to be scrutinized, which will show his income.
 
Many Korean church is a meeting place of someones and they seem to use it pertinetnly. Many marriages are made by the meddling of preachers. At one time, I seriously considered attending church, which I gave it up for my conscience in expense of the would-be grooms. I may know many who maneuver it well. Do they really believe in God and its ideal or just call for God for their benefit, I don't know.
Sorry for many 'may's and 'seem to's.

Think of it. If a church owner gets ten believers, he/she earns the average income of his/her believers.
Ok, he/she's a self-employer, so we must deduct the expense. But he/she still gets collection every week. So, let's end up my previous clumsy calculation. Sometimes,  preacher and presbyter run church with partnership, or presbyter hires a preacher and runs it behind the curtain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He seems to self-believe that he tithed to the church and  want for his tithe to be scrutinized, which will show his income.</p>
<p>Many Korean church is a meeting place of someones and they seem to use it pertinetnly. Many marriages are made by the meddling of preachers. At one time, I seriously considered attending church, which I gave it up for my conscience in expense of the would-be grooms. I may know many who maneuver it well. Do they really believe in God and its ideal or just call for God for their benefit, I don&#8217;t know.<br />
Sorry for many &#8216;may&#8217;s and &#8217;seem to&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Think of it. If a church owner gets ten believers, he/she earns the average income of his/her believers.<br />
Ok, he/she&#8217;s a self-employer, so we must deduct the expense. But he/she still gets collection every week. So, let&#8217;s end up my previous clumsy calculation. Sometimes,  preacher and presbyter run church with partnership, or presbyter hires a preacher and runs it behind the curtain.</p>
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		<title>By: sanshinseon</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/05/tithing-the-court/#comment-61583</link>
		<dc:creator>sanshinseon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 07:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just by coincidence, it was reported today:

"A survey by researchers at Villanova University has found that 85 percent of Roman Catholic dioceses that responded had discovered embezzlement of church money in the last five years, with 11 percent reporting that more than $500,000 had been stolen."

"The Catholic Church has some of the most rigorous financial guidelines of any denomination, specialists in church ethics said, but the survey found that the guidelines were often ignored in parishes. And when no one is looking, the cash that goes into the collection plate does not always get deposited into the church’s bank account."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/05/us/05church.html?_r=1&#38;ref=us&#38;oref=slogin

But of course many Korean Protestants don't consider Catholics to be real "Christians" anyway, so this may not be relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just by coincidence, it was reported today:</p>
<p>&#8220;A survey by researchers at Villanova University has found that 85 percent of Roman Catholic dioceses that responded had discovered embezzlement of church money in the last five years, with 11 percent reporting that more than $500,000 had been stolen.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Catholic Church has some of the most rigorous financial guidelines of any denomination, specialists in church ethics said, but the survey found that the guidelines were often ignored in parishes. And when no one is looking, the cash that goes into the collection plate does not always get deposited into the church’s bank account.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/05/us/05church.html?_r=1&amp;ref=us&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01.....ref=slogin</a></p>
<p>But of course many Korean Protestants don&#8217;t consider Catholics to be real &#8220;Christians&#8221; anyway, so this may not be relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/05/tithing-the-court/#comment-61526</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that depends on the state.  In North Carolina, I think folks would hardly notice.

America is the place where presidents of both major parties invoke God's blessing at the end of many major speaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that depends on the state.  In North Carolina, I think folks would hardly notice.</p>
<p>America is the place where presidents of both major parties invoke God&#8217;s blessing at the end of many major speaches.</p>
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		<title>By: sanshinseon</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/01/05/tithing-the-court/#comment-61505</link>
		<dc:creator>sanshinseon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 02:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's your reading of it, Andy.  I only said "It can easily be read as an insult..." not that it definitely was one or was certainly intended as one -- and in my experirence, Korean Protestants are in fact often quick to disparge non-Protestants.  My real point being: unfortunately for them, high government officials suffer stricter standards than the rest of us on what they say in public, have to be more careful.  Can you imagine if John Roberts made such a comment? -- how much "clarification" the US press would compell upon him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s your reading of it, Andy.  I only said &#8220;It can easily be read as an insult&#8230;&#8221; not that it definitely was one or was certainly intended as one &#8212; and in my experirence, Korean Protestants are in fact often quick to disparge non-Protestants.  My real point being: unfortunately for them, high government officials suffer stricter standards than the rest of us on what they say in public, have to be more careful.  Can you imagine if John Roberts made such a comment? &#8212; how much &#8220;clarification&#8221; the US press would compell upon him?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 00:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with SomeguyinKorea.  

I was in a similar situation once.  I paid taxes at the employee rate when I should have paid at the independent contractor rate.  A year later I got a nice little letter from the IRS noting the error and asking if I could kindly send them an additional $800.  A check was in the mail the next day.  Its no biggie.

sanshinseon,
There is nothing in Lee's statement that says Buddhists (or anyone else) are theives.  He was just stating that he follows Christian rules regarding money.  There is nothing wrong with what he said and it is fine whether said in a modern nation or some monkey-eating tribe in the middle of nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with SomeguyinKorea.  </p>
<p>I was in a similar situation once.  I paid taxes at the employee rate when I should have paid at the independent contractor rate.  A year later I got a nice little letter from the IRS noting the error and asking if I could kindly send them an additional $800.  A check was in the mail the next day.  Its no biggie.</p>
<p>sanshinseon,<br />
There is nothing in Lee&#8217;s statement that says Buddhists (or anyone else) are theives.  He was just stating that he follows Christian rules regarding money.  There is nothing wrong with what he said and it is fine whether said in a modern nation or some monkey-eating tribe in the middle of nowhere.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, he paid his taxes and someone found he underpaid, so he had to pay the difference.  Why is this even news?  Is the guy being railroaded out of his seat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, he paid his taxes and someone found he underpaid, so he had to pay the difference.  Why is this even news?  Is the guy being railroaded out of his seat?</p>
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		<title>By: kuraeji</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuraeji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a song from the 80's:

"Like a Christian...taxed for the very first time!" 

Or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a song from the 80&#8217;s:</p>
<p>&#8220;Like a Christian&#8230;taxed for the very first time!&#8221; </p>
<p>Or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He had a lot of money sloshing around that year. An underpayment of W20 million, at the top marginal rate of 36% (I'm making a guess here), requires misplacing only W60 million in income. That's like a rounding error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He had a lot of money sloshing around that year. An underpayment of W20 million, at the top marginal rate of 36% (I&#8217;m making a guess here), requires misplacing only W60 million in income. That&#8217;s like a rounding error.</p>
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		<title>By: sanshinseon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanshinseon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't believe that there is the least bit of evidence or other reason to think that Christians do things with less deception or more honesty than the believers of any other religion, or than those who do not believe in any religion.

That's the sort of thing that a Supreme Court Chief Justice, or any other high government official, ought not to say in a modern nation.  It can easily be read as an insult to the followers of other religions and the non-religious...  and makes you wonder about the fairness of the judgments this Justice is rendering...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe that there is the least bit of evidence or other reason to think that Christians do things with less deception or more honesty than the believers of any other religion, or than those who do not believe in any religion.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the sort of thing that a Supreme Court Chief Justice, or any other high government official, ought not to say in a modern nation.  It can easily be read as an insult to the followers of other religions and the non-religious&#8230;  and makes you wonder about the fairness of the judgments this Justice is rendering&#8230;</p>
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