Comments on: So, I gather he was upset at the cops, then http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/ Korea... in Blog Format Sat, 5 Jul 2008 03:05:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Mr Duprey http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-157526 Mr Duprey Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:02:22 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-157526 Well Now I have to figure out what to do with my self... I do not have a Military career anymore. The cop who changed my life forever got 3,000 cash and I lost a career because one man put his hands on me then ran to press charges on me ASAP. Don't like Americans do ya. If it was a Korean National or ROK he would have said sorry and that would have been that.... General B Bell, is the one who gave me the General Under Honorable discharge which I could have fought, at the time all I wanted to do was to see my family and get out of Korea. Now I am stuck I love what I did day by day for my country. One problem and It all goes away... Good Luck America and for the KNP thanks for getting me fired, ASS HOLE Well Now I have to figure out what to do with my self… I do not have a Military career anymore. The cop who changed my life forever got 3,000 cash and I lost a career because one man put his hands on me then ran to press charges on me ASAP. Don’t like Americans do ya. If it was a Korean National or ROK he would have said sorry and that would have been that….

General B Bell, is the one who gave me the General Under Honorable discharge which I could have fought, at the time all I wanted to do was to see my family and get out of Korea. Now I am stuck I love what I did day by day for my country. One problem and It all goes away… Good Luck America and for the KNP thanks for getting me fired, ASS HOLE

]]> By: The Marmot’s Hole » YTN on ‘disgraceful foreigners’ of Hongdae http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-66848 The Marmot’s Hole » YTN on ‘disgraceful foreigners’ of Hongdae Sat, 03 Feb 2007 09:39:24 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-66848 [...] though of MPs patrolling in Hongik is, simply put, insane). Your comrades in Itaewon may have gone a little overboard, but damn, at least they had the right [...] [...] though of MPs patrolling in Hongik is, simply put, insane). Your comrades in Itaewon may have gone a little overboard, but damn, at least they had the right [...]

]]> By: cm http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-66281 cm Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:26:04 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-66281 "I am going through a Chapter 14 for Misconduct and will no longer be here to Serve my Country" This line leads me to believe... I don't think the US army would kick out someone (especially someone who claims innocense) unless there has been a lot of past disciplinary problems. I don't condone what those cops did, but I bet my money they probably were intimidated by your size and agressiveness. “I am going through a Chapter 14 for Misconduct and will no longer be here to Serve my Country”

This line leads me to believe… I don’t think the US army would kick out someone (especially someone who claims innocense) unless there has been a lot of past disciplinary problems. I don’t condone what those cops did, but I bet my money they probably were intimidated by your size and agressiveness.

]]> By: hardyandtiny http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-66090 hardyandtiny Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:17:57 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-66090 "...When I received news from people that they did not commit this crime..." So were you in the police station protesting to the police when you didn't actually see what happened between the bouncer and the other soldiers in the club? “…When I received news from people that they did not commit this crime…”

So were you in the police station protesting to the police when you didn’t actually see what happened between the bouncer and the other soldiers in the club?

]]> By: The Marmot’s Hole » One very angry GI http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-66000 The Marmot’s Hole » One very angry GI Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:33:52 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-66000 [...] when he paid a visit to the police station in Itaewon to protest the arrest of his battle buddies speaks in the comment section, and he’s not a happy camper. Related Posts (Maybe)So, I gather he was upset at the cops, [...] [...] when he paid a visit to the police station in Itaewon to protest the arrest of his battle buddies speaks in the comment section, and he’s not a happy camper. Related Posts (Maybe)So, I gather he was upset at the cops, [...]

]]> By: kriegersoldat http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-65999 kriegersoldat Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:16:23 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-65999 Just to let you all know I am the Soldier who got his ass beat by the KNP. Thanks for the support America, FYI: I went to look out for my fellow soldiers when they got into some trouble at the UN club. I was protesting the arrest, they are my fellow comrades and I will look out for them, that is how we are trained. I did not deserve to be pushed out of the police station, grabbed and threatened. I did not understand the commotion and protected my self the way I was taught. Maybe if someone their spoke English this would have never happened. I got the shit kicked out of me when they could have restrained me after the first blow to the back of skull with the baton that they are not allowed to use in the first place. From that one blow to the head I was knocked on my face, jumped and beaten until I was unconscious by numerous Korean Police Officers. I woke up in a ambulance and was taken to 121 Military Hospital where I received staples to stop the intense bleeding. A fellow battle buddy PV2 J, who saw the whole thing told me exactly what happened and stuck by my side through the whole situation.He then told me my face is cut up because they took my face and pounded it into the asphalt after I was restrained and covered in blood. Then they dragged me into the police station and left me their bleeding for numerous minutes until the Military Police put me into an ambulance. Theirfore I was beaten like Rodney King and mistreated as if I weren’t here to keep the peace between North and South Korea as more then job but as a life style. I have no problem with the South Koreans I just don’t agree about how most South Koreans feel about American Soldiers being in their country and protecting them because they don’t want to realize what we are actually here for, we are here for them not us. Well FYI: I am going through a Chapter 14 for Misconduct and will no longer be here to Serve my Country which I signed up for. I did not sign up to come to Korea and to get into trouble, I signed up for a better life for my Wife and myself and my family, and last but not least for my country because I believe that my self, my future family and friends should have the same freedom and rights that my forefathers have fought for a long time ago.Therefore I signed the papers to do my time in the Military to put my life at risk for what I believe, but yet I get shat on. I am taught how to act and defend my self by the Military and It is not my fault that the Police were looking for American soldiers to get at that night. All I did is not leave a fallen battle buddy which is beamed into my head by the Military. So therefore I did not leave my fellow battle buddies that night, all I did was look out for their well being by checking on them after the incident that happened that night. But know one knows that I was in the club that night and some one pulled a knife out on me because I was in his way so therefore I left the club. And on my way to retrieve another PV2 J to go home that night that is when I saw my fellow comrades being arrested by the Korean police so I went to check on them which is I remind you is beamed into my head by the Military. And as I checked on them they said all was ok so you can go if you want but naturally I stuck around to make sure they were ok. When I received news from people that they did not commit this crime so therefore I protested which is my right I was then pushed out the police station and grabbed, I was threatened by the police and acted in self defense and I have picture to show I was beaten and about the video tape their was numerous video tapes of the conflict that showed what happened that night but they were all erased and taken by Korean Police and then they acted like there were none i just cant believe that since im in Korea doing my job as a soldier that I have no chance of wining in court that is all I have for now and if you want to know more you can respond to me at mario.duprey@us.army.mil Just to let you all know I am the Soldier who got his ass beat by the KNP. Thanks for the support America, FYI: I went to look out for my fellow soldiers when they got into some trouble at the UN club. I was protesting the arrest, they are my fellow comrades and I will look out for them, that is how we are trained. I did not deserve to be pushed out of the police station, grabbed and threatened. I did not understand the commotion and protected my self the way I was taught. Maybe if someone their spoke English this would have never happened. I got the shit kicked out of me when they could have restrained me after the first blow to the back of skull with the baton that they are not allowed to use in the first place. From that one blow to the head I was knocked on my face, jumped and beaten until I was unconscious by numerous Korean Police Officers. I woke up in a ambulance and was taken to 121 Military Hospital where I received staples to stop the intense bleeding. A fellow battle buddy PV2 J, who saw the whole thing told me exactly what happened and stuck by my side through the whole situation.He then told me my face is cut up because they took my face and pounded it into the asphalt after I was restrained and covered in blood. Then they dragged me into the police station and left me their bleeding for numerous minutes until the Military Police put me into an ambulance. Theirfore I was beaten like Rodney King and mistreated as if I weren’t here to keep the peace between North and South Korea as more then job but as a life style. I have no problem with the South Koreans I just don’t agree about how most South Koreans feel about American Soldiers being in their country and protecting them because they don’t want to realize what we are actually here for, we are here for them not us. Well FYI: I am going through a Chapter 14 for Misconduct and will no longer be here to Serve my Country which I signed up for. I did not sign up to come to Korea and to get into trouble, I signed up for a better life for my Wife and myself and my family, and last but not least for my country because I believe that my self, my future family and friends should have the same freedom and rights that my forefathers have fought for a long time ago.Therefore I signed the papers to do my time in the Military to put my life at risk for what I believe, but yet I get shat on. I am taught how to act and defend my self by the Military and It is not my fault that the Police were looking for American soldiers to get at that night. All I did is not leave a fallen battle buddy which is beamed into my head by the Military. So therefore I did not leave my fellow battle buddies that night, all I did was look out for their well being by checking on them after the incident that happened that night. But know one knows that I was in the club that night and some one pulled a knife out on me because I was in his way so therefore I left the club. And on my way to retrieve another PV2 J to go home that night that is when I saw my fellow comrades being arrested by the Korean police so I went to check on them which is I remind you is beamed into my head by the Military. And as I checked on them they said all was ok so you can go if you want but naturally I stuck around to make sure they were ok. When I received news from people that they did not commit this crime so therefore I protested which is my right I was then pushed out the police station and grabbed, I was threatened by the police and acted in self defense and I have picture to show I was beaten and about the video tape their was numerous video tapes of the conflict that showed what happened that night but they were all erased and taken by Korean Police and then they acted like there were none i just cant believe that since im in Korea doing my job as a soldier that I have no chance of wining in court that is all I have for now and if you want to know more you can respond to me at mario.duprey@us.army.mil

]]> By: Sonagi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-60996 Sonagi Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:39:17 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-60996 That's one surmise, Robert. Another is that the video has not been released because it would show that the officers used excessive force in subduing the suspect. That’s one surmise, Robert. Another is that the video has not been released because it would show that the officers used excessive force in subduing the suspect.

]]> By: robert neff http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-60974 robert neff Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:03:19 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-60974 I am really surprised that the video - I am assuming that there is - all the police stations in my area have cameras - has not been shown on the net. If there is a video then it is clearly a good sign that some degree of respect for the accused is being kept. Evidently angry soldiers attacking police stations aren't only restricted to Americans - http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Army_takes_care_of_its_own_Kolkata_Police_learns_it_the_hard_way/articleshow/1015663.cms I am really surprised that the video - I am assuming that there is - all the police stations in my area have cameras - has not been shown on the net. If there is a video then it is clearly a good sign that some degree of respect for the accused is being kept.

Evidently angry soldiers attacking police stations aren’t only restricted to Americans -

http://economictimes.indiatime.....015663.cms

]]> By: usinkorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-60854 usinkorea Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:48:35 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-60854 railwaycharm, I saw different versions of the video, and it doesn't matter if the tasers were ineffectual or not. One the beating reached the point King could not offer any threat, it should have stopped. One he was under control enough to handcuff, he should have been. Why the cops in that case got off on the criminal charges is instructive in this thread's discussion, because it was the King case that put the wheels in motion to change the policing culture in the US. The cops got off, because they could show they did what their training told them to do --- which was continue the use of force until the suspect no longer offers resistance. So, the cops said, they kept beating King each time he tried to get up and basically moved a muscle. It was bullshit then, and the nation realized it, and it led to the change in how cops are trained and how police abuse is handled. Another example -- in the 2000s - there was a police car video of two cops wailing away on this black guy who eventually died of heart failure, but there was virtually no up roar. The reason: the guy was well over 350 pound, on PCP, and the video showed him giving the cops a damn good run for their money. In other words, the viewing audience saw what threat level the man offered and accepted the amount of force the police used to subdue him and the beating stopped once he was manageable. In King's case, the viewing public understood something quite different had happened. Next, "So who has authority in this matter, the ROK police or the US MP?" The Korean police if the Korean prosecutor asks for it - which it will. Korean courts have been handling certain crimes committed by GIs since 1967. And since the last SOFA revision, the Koreans can now gain custody of the suspect before trail. railwaycharm,

I saw different versions of the video, and it doesn’t matter if the tasers were ineffectual or not. One the beating reached the point King could not offer any threat, it should have stopped. One he was under control enough to handcuff, he should have been.

Why the cops in that case got off on the criminal charges is instructive in this thread’s discussion, because it was the King case that put the wheels in motion to change the policing culture in the US.

The cops got off, because they could show they did what their training told them to do — which was continue the use of force until the suspect no longer offers resistance. So, the cops said, they kept beating King each time he tried to get up and basically moved a muscle.

It was bullshit then, and the nation realized it, and it led to the change in how cops are trained and how police abuse is handled.

Another example — in the 2000s - there was a police car video of two cops wailing away on this black guy who eventually died of heart failure, but there was virtually no up roar.

The reason: the guy was well over 350 pound, on PCP, and the video showed him giving the cops a damn good run for their money. In other words, the viewing audience saw what threat level the man offered and accepted the amount of force the police used to subdue him and the beating stopped once he was manageable.

In King’s case, the viewing public understood something quite different had happened.

Next,

“So who has authority in this matter, the ROK police or the US MP?”

The Korean police if the Korean prosecutor asks for it - which it will.

Korean courts have been handling certain crimes committed by GIs since 1967. And since the last SOFA revision, the Koreans can now gain custody of the suspect before trail.

]]> By: Remort http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-60832 Remort Mon, 01 Jan 2007 08:12:44 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/28/so-i-gather-he-was-upset-at-the-cops-then/#comment-60832 *mental note* While in Korea do not start, err, continue a fight in a police station. <B>*</B> Any word on the ethnicity of the U.S. military involved? <B>*</B> So who has authority in this matter, the ROK police or the US MP? --Remort *mental note* While in Korea do not start, err, continue a fight in a police station.

* Any word on the ethnicity of the U.S. military involved?

* So who has authority in this matter, the ROK police or the US MP?

–Remort

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