Comments on: Observations on the Korean Bar Examination http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/ Korea... in Blog Format Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:17:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Ryan http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-147446 Ryan Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:04:21 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-147446 Dokdo was mentioned earlier and since this thread is all over the place I just thought I'd ask--I learned about adverse possession a couple months back in my property class, and it seems that if Dokdo was a domestic US case, possession would be 10/10 of the law. Does international law endorse a parallel of adverse possession, and if so, does this mean that regardless of history Dokdo is a legal entity of the ROK? Dokdo was mentioned earlier and since this thread is all over the place I just thought I’d ask–I learned about adverse possession a couple months back in my property class, and it seems that if Dokdo was a domestic US case, possession would be 10/10 of the law. Does international law endorse a parallel of adverse possession, and if so, does this mean that regardless of history Dokdo is a legal entity of the ROK?

]]> By: Korea Law Blog http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-100260 Korea Law Blog Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:20:52 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-100260 <strong>Wall Street Journal on Korea Legal Market Opening: "Free the Lawyers"...</strong> Today's Wall Street Journal carries an editorial on the draft Foreign Legal Consultants Act ("FLC Act") which is up for a vote in the National Assembly. This is not a fisking per se, but additional -- hopefully informed -&#45... Wall Street Journal on Korea Legal Market Opening: "Free the Lawyers"…

Today's Wall Street Journal carries an editorial on the draft Foreign Legal Consultants Act ("FLC Act") which is up for a vote in the National Assembly. This is not a fisking per se, but additional -- hopefully informed -&#45…

]]> By: Zonath http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-65533 Zonath Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:29:17 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-65533 <blockquote>But it’s clear that comments by those like gbevers are just bitter</blockquote> Erm... which comments, in particular? From what I've seen, Mr. Bevers hasn't really been 'bitter' about anything in this particular comment section. Are you trying to smear him for other reasons? <blockquote>and as a result, ignorant.</blockquote> Uh huh... bitterness = ignorance. So I guess from your personal attacks here (without even bothering to read any of Mr. Bever's comments), we can infer quite a lot of bitterness from you directed at Mr. Bevers.

But it’s clear that comments by those like gbevers are just bitter

Erm… which comments, in particular? From what I’ve seen, Mr. Bevers hasn’t really been ‘bitter’ about anything in this particular comment section. Are you trying to smear him for other reasons?

and as a result, ignorant.

Uh huh… bitterness = ignorance. So I guess from your personal attacks here (without even bothering to read any of Mr. Bever’s comments), we can infer quite a lot of bitterness from you directed at Mr. Bevers.

]]> By: JK http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-65528 JK Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:54:49 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-65528 Okay, okay. But it's clear that comments by those like gbevers are just bitter....and as a result, ignorant. Okay, okay. But it’s clear that comments by those like gbevers are just bitter….and as a result, ignorant.

]]> By: MrMao http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-65520 MrMao Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:18:25 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-65520 Slow down there, toots. I don't see a whole lot of disrespect for Korean lawyers in this thread. They're just different. Slow down there, toots. I don’t see a whole lot of disrespect for Korean lawyers in this thread. They’re just different.

]]> By: JK http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-65513 JK Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:41:41 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-65513 I had a family member work for the law firm of Kim & Chang. He told me about how the native Koreans got their jobs at the firm. After the native Koreans passed the intensely difficult Korean bar exam, they then joined the firm and proved themselves at various cases. Then they were sent to the US to get the American version of a law degree and even got advanced degrees in law, often at schools like Columbia. For many, passing the bar exams in New York was necessary since a lot of the cases they covered dealt with issues not just in Korea but in New York. So then does THIS make them any more credible??? Of course I knew Gerry Bevers, with his fourth-rate MBA degree would be putting down Korea's lawyers. BTW, if a native Korean wanted to take the "easy way out" and get a job at Kim & Chang, he would NOT take the Korean bar exam and somehow go to the US straight out of college and get a law degree there, pass the bar exam in someplace easier than New York, and then come back to Korea. But obviously such people are not considered to be as bright as those who do pass the Korean bar exam and THEN go to the US to pass the bar exams there. I had a family member work for the law firm of Kim & Chang. He told me about how the native Koreans got their jobs at the firm.

After the native Koreans passed the intensely difficult Korean bar exam, they then joined the firm and proved themselves at various cases. Then they were sent to the US to get the American version of a law degree and even got advanced degrees in law, often at schools like Columbia. For many, passing the bar exams in New York was necessary since a lot of the cases they covered dealt with issues not just in Korea but in New York.

So then does THIS make them any more credible??? Of course I knew Gerry Bevers, with his fourth-rate MBA degree would be putting down Korea’s lawyers.

BTW, if a native Korean wanted to take the “easy way out” and get a job at Kim & Chang, he would NOT take the Korean bar exam and somehow go to the US straight out of college and get a law degree there, pass the bar exam in someplace easier than New York, and then come back to Korea. But obviously such people are not considered to be as bright as those who do pass the Korean bar exam and THEN go to the US to pass the bar exams there.

]]> By: Darth Babaganoosh http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-60858 Darth Babaganoosh Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:27:23 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-60858 <blockquote>lao-ocean-girl said "I think you’re handsome. :) "</blockquote> I'm telling R!

lao-ocean-girl said “I think you’re handsome. :) “

I’m telling R!

]]> By: Arghaeri http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-60812 Arghaeri Mon, 01 Jan 2007 05:40:54 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-60812 I find this rather interesting, since although I've encountered several korean lawyers, they've not been the traditional "I'm the lawyer, what I say goes" type described. Perhaps they've been this new breed who didn't make it to the judges quota and are accordingly more modest. Indeed, if anything once some the contractual issues have been discussed, and they realise I do know something about the legal issues, the've discussed matters reasonably and even at times quite deferentially. It's actually been gyopo american qualified attorneys who, whilst good, have been more difficult to deal with. In fact it was a great comliment recently to have one of these Korean lawyers seek out my opinion recently on a contractual issue for one of his foreign clients. Perhaps things are changing in the right direction... [ I find this rather interesting, since although I’ve encountered several korean lawyers, they’ve not been the traditional “I’m the lawyer, what I say goes” type described. Perhaps they’ve been this new breed who didn’t make it to the judges quota and are accordingly more modest. Indeed, if anything once some the contractual issues have been discussed, and they realise I do know something about the legal issues, the’ve discussed matters reasonably and even at times quite deferentially. It’s actually been gyopo american qualified attorneys who, whilst good, have been more difficult to deal with. In fact it was a great comliment recently to have one of these Korean lawyers seek out my opinion recently on a contractual issue for one of his foreign clients. Perhaps things are changing in the right direction…

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]]> By: chinalawblog http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-60564 chinalawblog Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:12:53 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-60564 leefr -- Thanks for your comments. I have learned a lot from them. I agree that much of the problem is cultural, not the lawyering abilities of Korean lawyers. I have had a number of Korean lawyers tell me that they prefer working with me (rather than directly with the client) even though they usually greatly reduce their hourly rates for me because they know I will provide so much repeat business. I have even been told (by at least two Korean lawyers) that every time they work directly with an American company they end up getting fired and they know that won't happen with me. I truly feel that oftentimes my main role is simply to keep everything on track and prevent the blow-up. Toward that end, the big thing I do is to keep the American client constantly informed and to keep pushing the Korean lawyer for information as to what is going on, even if it is just to get them to say, "there was no hearing today, so nothing happened." Leefr is right to point out that foreign clients oftentimes are no gems either, but the reality is (and this is the American way to look at them) they are the ones paying the bills, so we as lawyers need to adjust to them, rather than the other way around. leefr –

Thanks for your comments. I have learned a lot from them. I agree that much of the problem is cultural, not the lawyering abilities of Korean lawyers. I have had a number of Korean lawyers tell me that they prefer working with me (rather than directly with the client) even though they usually greatly reduce their hourly rates for me because they know I will provide so much repeat business. I have even been told (by at least two Korean lawyers) that every time they work directly with an American company they end up getting fired and they know that won’t happen with me. I truly feel that oftentimes my main role is simply to keep everything on track and prevent the blow-up. Toward that end, the big thing I do is to keep the American client constantly informed and to keep pushing the Korean lawyer for information as to what is going on, even if it is just to get them to say, “there was no hearing today, so nothing happened.”

Leefr is right to point out that foreign clients oftentimes are no gems either, but the reality is (and this is the American way to look at them) they are the ones paying the bills, so we as lawyers need to adjust to them, rather than the other way around.

]]> By: uhoooooo http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-60441 uhoooooo Thu, 28 Dec 2006 06:25:32 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/25/observations-on-the-korean-bar-examination/#comment-60441 "the internet as a haven of anonymity?" ?? It's an easy thing to point out you like chewing gum. Too easy, I'm disappointed. See the bottom of this page. Do u see the tracker, the image tracker titled "sitemeter? It does the same function as "Your mail has been opend by the receiver" notice at Naver mail or Hanmail. http://www.sitemeter.com/stats.asp?site=s22marmot The URL can be opened directly& externally. I can check it even without connecting this site. Anyway, do the people here close their eyes on the status of Koreatown Mike & Yoohaksaeng Chulsoo in Korea, be wielded by thier own interest? Don't they know it? Since most of you read Korean, go to the news portal and type "국제변호사" at the search form. “the internet as a haven of anonymity?” ??

It’s an easy thing to point out you like chewing gum. Too easy, I’m disappointed.

See the bottom of this page. Do u see the tracker, the image tracker titled “sitemeter? It does the same function as “Your mail has been opend by the receiver” notice at Naver mail or Hanmail.
http://www.sitemeter.com/stats.asp?site=s22marmot

The URL can be opened directly& externally.
I can check it even without connecting this site.

Anyway, do the people here close their eyes on the status of Koreatown Mike & Yoohaksaeng Chulsoo in Korea, be wielded by thier own interest? Don’t they know it? Since most of you read Korean, go to the news portal and type “국제변호사” at the search form.

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