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	<title>Comments on: USFK bases illegally selling U.S. beef to Koreans?</title>
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		<title>By: railwaycharm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/07/usfk-bases-illegally-selling-us-beef-to-koreans/#comment-58630</link>
		<dc:creator>railwaycharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, The golf course pays for all of the MWR facilities with money to spare. Don't shoot the golden goose!</description>
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		<title>By: MrChips</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrChips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a great story Irrawaddy.  I hope it's true.  A golf course on a US military installation that is monopolized by civilian Korean politicians and businessmen and takes money away from the lowest ranking soldiers' quarters ought to be sown with crap.  Better yet, let herds of cattle on and let them eat all the turf and shit on all the greens.  Then you can serve that beef to the Koreans in the clubhouse at Songnam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great story Irrawaddy.  I hope it&#8217;s true.  A golf course on a US military installation that is monopolized by civilian Korean politicians and businessmen and takes money away from the lowest ranking soldiers&#8217; quarters ought to be sown with crap.  Better yet, let herds of cattle on and let them eat all the turf and shit on all the greens.  Then you can serve that beef to the Koreans in the clubhouse at Songnam.</p>
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		<title>By: railwaycharm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/07/usfk-bases-illegally-selling-us-beef-to-koreans/#comment-58542</link>
		<dc:creator>railwaycharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 04:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Wedge! Now that I think of it... How could Kelly's Hero’s get past the fences and check points?

I retract my previous statement! Put the snake back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Wedge! Now that I think of it&#8230; How could Kelly&#8217;s Hero’s get past the fences and check points?</p>
<p>I retract my previous statement! Put the snake back!</p>
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		<title>By: Wedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The golf course lawn job story sounds too good to be true, and if true, worthy of disdain. Color me skeptical as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The golf course lawn job story sounds too good to be true, and if true, worthy of disdain. Color me skeptical as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/07/usfk-bases-illegally-selling-us-beef-to-koreans/#comment-58527</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irrawady, that's a good story, told with "picture detail" that gives it the ring of truth (ie, "roostertails of sod" coming off the back side of the rotating track).  

But I think we deserve a little proof. As Mondale demanded of Hart, just two years before your "alleged" escapade: 

"Where's the beef?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where's_the_beef%3F

Got any photos ("crime scene" aftermath I mean), Stars &#38; Stripes stories, or maybe a local Yongsan garrison newspaper clipping?  Surely it must still be recorded somewhere, though I suppose CID/MP blotter reports are tossed after a year or two unless somebody gets arrested and charged.  

If so, maybe you can work out with the Marmot about how to get them to him for posting and thus further entertainment/ admiration. 

Not saying I'd admire it (I'm a golfer sometimes, &#38; what you did guarantees some time in purgatory), just that I enjoy a good story.  However this is the internet and even Bolsheviks (more like anarchists in this case) should have the good manners to provide some kind of a link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrawady, that&#8217;s a good story, told with &#8220;picture detail&#8221; that gives it the ring of truth (ie, &#8220;roostertails of sod&#8221; coming off the back side of the rotating track).  </p>
<p>But I think we deserve a little proof. As Mondale demanded of Hart, just two years before your &#8220;alleged&#8221; escapade: </p>
<p>&#8220;Where&#8217;s the beef?&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where</a>&#8217;s_the_beef%3F</p>
<p>Got any photos (&#8221;crime scene&#8221; aftermath I mean), Stars &amp; Stripes stories, or maybe a local Yongsan garrison newspaper clipping?  Surely it must still be recorded somewhere, though I suppose CID/MP blotter reports are tossed after a year or two unless somebody gets arrested and charged.  </p>
<p>If so, maybe you can work out with the Marmot about how to get them to him for posting and thus further entertainment/ admiration. </p>
<p>Not saying I&#8217;d admire it (I&#8217;m a golfer sometimes, &amp; what you did guarantees some time in purgatory), just that I enjoy a good story.  However this is the internet and even Bolsheviks (more like anarchists in this case) should have the good manners to provide some kind of a link.</p>
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		<title>By: railwaycharm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/07/usfk-bases-illegally-selling-us-beef-to-koreans/#comment-58521</link>
		<dc:creator>railwaycharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irrawaddy,

You should have a living snake shoved up your ass! Anyone who would damage a golf course is an scumbag. Do you have no shame?
OOOps... Make that the Bolsheviks should have that treatment! Maximus Maya Copa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrawaddy,</p>
<p>You should have a living snake shoved up your ass! Anyone who would damage a golf course is an scumbag. Do you have no shame?<br />
OOOps&#8230; Make that the Bolsheviks should have that treatment! Maximus Maya Copa!</p>
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		<title>By: railwaycharm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/07/usfk-bases-illegally-selling-us-beef-to-koreans/#comment-58520</link>
		<dc:creator>railwaycharm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irrawaddy,

You should have a living snake shoved up your ass! Anyone who would damage a golf course is an scumbag. Do you have no shame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrawaddy,</p>
<p>You should have a living snake shoved up your ass! Anyone who would damage a golf course is an scumbag. Do you have no shame?</p>
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		<title>By: ZZOOzzoo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/07/usfk-bases-illegally-selling-us-beef-to-koreans/#comment-58514</link>
		<dc:creator>ZZOOzzoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 09:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if it sounds random, but are there restaurants in Korea that serve really good PRIME RIBS? (like those at Lawry's in the U.S)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if it sounds random, but are there restaurants in Korea that serve really good PRIME RIBS? (like those at Lawry&#8217;s in the U.S)</p>
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		<title>By: The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; No need to get dragged around by America on FTA: Uri Party chief</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; No need to get dragged around by America on FTA: Uri Party chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] He also said &#8220;all citizens&#8221; (well, apparently not all) were worried about U.S. demands that Korea completely open its market to U.S. beef. He said Korea needed to make it clear that U.S. beef imports were not subject to negotiation during these talks. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] He also said &#8220;all citizens&#8221; (well, apparently not all) were worried about U.S. demands that Korea completely open its market to U.S. beef. He said Korea needed to make it clear that U.S. beef imports were not subject to negotiation during these talks. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Irrawaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/12/07/usfk-bases-illegally-selling-us-beef-to-koreans/#comment-58337</link>
		<dc:creator>Irrawaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaaah, the black market.  If we were serious about it, we'd take ration control cards away from everybody who didn't actually wear a uniform, and didn't have command sponsorship.  This is the way it used to be.

AAFES contributes to MWR, which are "non-appropriated fund" activities.  So PX purchases made by USFK soldiers actually pay for the Seongnam golf course enjoyed by Koreans.

  The Commissary, on the other hand, is subsidized by the taxpayer, and does not have to make a profit.

  But as for Koreans on USFK courses, yes, I have a hell of a problem with memberships and tee-times being awarded to civilians instead of soldiers.

1986...we were living in uninsulated, open-bay quonset huts built back in 1953.  Diesel was strictly rationed, so when we ran out on Feb 15th, that was pretty much it for heat in the barracks.  The latrines and shower areas were common for 20 quonset huts, and 300m away in the cold.  A battalion ate in one single "stretch" quonset hut, so no lingering over chow.

The 8th Army golf course was a nice place to eat breakfast, if we could get down to civilization.  On several trips, I or my troops were turned back at the door because we were in field clothing, vice spiffy BDU's or class-b's.  Forget playing golf there.  Every time someone in the platoon tried, it turned out that various staffs or "special activities" associated with the viceroy had permanently blocked out tee-times.

  Then the 8th Army Golf Course clubhouse burned down.  Nobody knows why or how.  

While we were told that money was not available to refurbish the quonset hut that served as the enlisted club at Cp Hovey, it seems that money WAS available to rebuild 8th Army's golf course clubhouse from the ground up, bigger and better, and in a record-setting 60 days.

  A few Bolsheviks in the platoon had an idea...so in the middle of the night, a platoon of tracks, M113's and 548's, to be exact, roadmarched to Yongsan.  Someone had thought to dummy up convoy clearance paperwork and paint on bumper numbers for an entirely fictitious 1369th ADA BN.

  The platoon of tracks entered Yongsan and went straight for the golf course, at around 0200.  Nice pivot turns on each and every green, destroying the grass, digging holes a foot or so deep.  Roostertails of sod flying from the tracks, we departed Yongsan and were back home in time for PT.

  Naturally, 8th Army had a shit-fit.  Gary Luck, the commander of 2ID and a real soldier's soldier, stubbornly insisted that none of his tracks had left the gate of Camp Casey (technically true, as we were at Hovey), and fended off any and all efforts of CID to investigate.  MG Luck knew exactly who had done this horrible thing, and sent the platoon leader a personal attaboy.

  It took well into the fall for them to repair damage to the greens and fairways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaaah, the black market.  If we were serious about it, we&#8217;d take ration control cards away from everybody who didn&#8217;t actually wear a uniform, and didn&#8217;t have command sponsorship.  This is the way it used to be.</p>
<p>AAFES contributes to MWR, which are &#8220;non-appropriated fund&#8221; activities.  So PX purchases made by USFK soldiers actually pay for the Seongnam golf course enjoyed by Koreans.</p>
<p>  The Commissary, on the other hand, is subsidized by the taxpayer, and does not have to make a profit.</p>
<p>  But as for Koreans on USFK courses, yes, I have a hell of a problem with memberships and tee-times being awarded to civilians instead of soldiers.</p>
<p>1986&#8230;we were living in uninsulated, open-bay quonset huts built back in 1953.  Diesel was strictly rationed, so when we ran out on Feb 15th, that was pretty much it for heat in the barracks.  The latrines and shower areas were common for 20 quonset huts, and 300m away in the cold.  A battalion ate in one single &#8220;stretch&#8221; quonset hut, so no lingering over chow.</p>
<p>The 8th Army golf course was a nice place to eat breakfast, if we could get down to civilization.  On several trips, I or my troops were turned back at the door because we were in field clothing, vice spiffy BDU&#8217;s or class-b&#8217;s.  Forget playing golf there.  Every time someone in the platoon tried, it turned out that various staffs or &#8220;special activities&#8221; associated with the viceroy had permanently blocked out tee-times.</p>
<p>  Then the 8th Army Golf Course clubhouse burned down.  Nobody knows why or how.  </p>
<p>While we were told that money was not available to refurbish the quonset hut that served as the enlisted club at Cp Hovey, it seems that money WAS available to rebuild 8th Army&#8217;s golf course clubhouse from the ground up, bigger and better, and in a record-setting 60 days.</p>
<p>  A few Bolsheviks in the platoon had an idea&#8230;so in the middle of the night, a platoon of tracks, M113&#8217;s and 548&#8217;s, to be exact, roadmarched to Yongsan.  Someone had thought to dummy up convoy clearance paperwork and paint on bumper numbers for an entirely fictitious 1369th ADA BN.</p>
<p>  The platoon of tracks entered Yongsan and went straight for the golf course, at around 0200.  Nice pivot turns on each and every green, destroying the grass, digging holes a foot or so deep.  Roostertails of sod flying from the tracks, we departed Yongsan and were back home in time for PT.</p>
<p>  Naturally, 8th Army had a shit-fit.  Gary Luck, the commander of 2ID and a real soldier&#8217;s soldier, stubbornly insisted that none of his tracks had left the gate of Camp Casey (technically true, as we were at Hovey), and fended off any and all efforts of CID to investigate.  MG Luck knew exactly who had done this horrible thing, and sent the platoon leader a personal attaboy.</p>
<p>  It took well into the fall for them to repair damage to the greens and fairways.</p>
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