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Look, Mom, my hagwon English teacher is an overseas porn star!

The Kukmin Ilbo reports that a hagwon English teacher has been busted for acting in overseas porn.

The story begins with a young Master Kim, a teenager who just happened to be surfing porn sites when he came across of video of an Asian woman having sex with a foreign man. The woman’s face looked strangely familiar, however. A closer inspection revealed why—it was his hagwon English teacher!

So Kim did what any responsible young man would do after surfing porn—post a tip on the Seoul Metropolitan Police website. Police in Seodaemun began investigating, and learned that the woman in the film was none other than 33-year-old Ms. Kim, a graduate student at a Seoul university and an English teacher at a Seoul hagwon.

According to the report, Kim left for Canada to study after graduating from high school in Korea. Once in Canada, however, she found it hard to pay tuition, so she had no choice but to make porn.

Kim shot porn between February and September of last year. She shot about one video a week for a total of about 30 videos, receiving 200-300 dollars a shoot. (Marmot’s note: Something doesn’t add up—she does porn in Canada last year to make money for school. But she’s 33-years-old. Something’s missing).

These videos were distributed by a Canadian-run porn site. Kim told police that in Canada, starring in porn is not a crime, but to no avail—because she’s a Korean national, it’s a crime for her to act in porn even if the films are shot overseas. Accordingly, she was booked without detention, and it appears she’ll receive a 10 million won fine for her sins.

Or so said the Kookmin Ilbo.

Kim said, “I didn’t know it was illegal, but I regret acting in porn since I’m being punished in Korea.”

The real shame is, this all could have been avoided if she’d just been reading my blog (see here, here and here). At least it appears she won’t have to do community service at the House of Sharing (a home for former “comfort women”)… as if doing porn in Canada and getting gang-raped by the Japanese army were somehow related.

(HT to reader. And please, do NOT post the address for the porn site in question in my comments section)

UPDATE: OhMyNews reports that the “Canada English teacher” is the No. 1 search word in Korea (which means, I’d imagine, that Jeff in Busan is getting extra hits), and that with the girl’s real name, face, blog and minihompi address being revealed, there is some concern that this may become another instance of “cyber-terror.

Netizens—in a rare example of online justice—have also been slamming the student who tipped off police.  Surfing porn in Korea is a crime—not that you’d know that judging from everyday behavior—and it is quite ironic that Ms. Kim would be punished for doing something that was quite legal where she did it while the rat who turned her in won’t be for doing something illegal.

UPDATE 2: OK, this is the email tip I got on Nov. 14, with names and website addresses removed.  Read it and draw your own conclusions. DISCLAIMER: NONE of this is verified and could all be bullshit. The tipster also seems to have added stuff for comedic effect:

BREAKING STORY: PORNSTAR TEACHING KIDS

I am sending this to you b/c it’s too juicy to sit on. Please consider for “stupid foreigner tricks”:

# # #
LEAD (translated, paraphrased):

A female Korean English teacher working at a well known children’s language academy in Seoul is also illegally producing pornography with her American (read: white) boyfriend.

BODY (paraphrased):

The female teacher, Ms. ********, is a Korean born gyopo living in *******-Gu. She is working as a teacher at ******* Seodamun Branch working with students in grades 3-5. It was discovered after the recent druggie teacher scandal that she was also operating an illicit porn site out of her home in ****** for extra income:

Presumably the videos were made with her american boyfriend [the media will hype this no doubt] in their home [they live together, oh no!] who is seen on some videos. This will likely attract the attention of the Korean National Police, Cyber Crimes Bureau, whose responsibility is to enforce the web laws of Korea. The production of web pornography is illegal in Korea [snickering].

Says one commentator, Mr. **** Kim, professor of sociology from ***** University School of Social Sciences, “There is a growing trend of Korean women who are going into cyber pornography as an alternative to actually going into the sex trade business because of risk of STDs and other social stigma. The web is a big place, many do not even get caught because Korean men do not go to the web in as many numbers as westerners.”

After viewing clips off the site, one expat porn commentator said, “The videos, though hardcore, appear to be amateurish sometimes awkward fare, and expats who view it might cringe at her certain FOB-ishness. Only 50something pervs in Ontario would drool over this.”

A parent, Mrs. Kim, 40, said, “That’s horrible that such a corrupt person could be teaching such vulnerable kids. It’s horrible.”

What’s horrible is that without means to verify, I had to sit on that while those bastards at the Kukmin Ilbo got the scoop. Life can be so unfair.

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  • michael

    Isn’t that kid a weasel? Damn. This story reminded me of that old Van Halen song “Hot for Teacher.”

  • http://www.slg.co.kr Brendon Carr

    Note to self: Check whether it’s also illegal for foreign residents of Korea (not just citizens) to perform in pornographic movies. If so, call Air Canada and cancel Vancouver flight.

  • R. Elgin

    I hope this teacher flunks this “weasel” as well.

    Naturally, the police have nothing better to do than to harass the woman in question; they are contemptible wretches.

  • michael

    “she had no choice but to make porn” Damn Canadians always forcing Korean women into porn!

    I regret acting in porn “since I’m being punished”

  • Jing

    Inquiring minds want to know, is she a hot adjumma?

    Oh Marmot, when did you become such a prude? A story like this requires photographs!

  • mins0306

    It’s amazing that a male kid who is mostly probably underaged is not punished for watching a porn movie(illegal in Korea), while an adult female teacher is punished for legally shooting porn overseas.

    And that for a simple “You are Korean, so you have to pay for any illegal(in Korea) activities that you have done overseas even if they are legal in the country in question ”

    Which begs the question, why doesn’t the Korean police lock up all those ajussis who have sex with underaged girls overseas? To my knowledge sex with underaged girls is also illegal here.

  • mins0306

    Oh Marmot, when did you become such a prude? A story like this requires photographs!

    I have the link showing the pics of the lady in question, provided by a certain Korean male, but Robert has asked the commentors not to post the link.

    And I do not think it will do justice to post pictures of the lady considering what she is going through right now.

  • michael

    Why don’t Korean police enforce laws that are broken right in front of their faces in Korea? They can’t even be arsed to get out of their patrol car, the one with the flashing red lights on permanently.

  • estebanko

    Damn that kid. This could mean only one thing: end of Penitentiary Ajumma series.

  • http://hojupjimong.wordpress.com/ JiMong

    Nobody can hide out from Korean Netizens.

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Oh Marmot, when did you become such a prude? A story like this requires photographs!

    To add to what Minso306 has said, the foreign community is quite small.

    On the other hand, now that the story is out in the open, I did get a tip on this story back on Nov. 14. I didn’t post it at the time as the source was anonymous and didn’t know whether the story was true. But the tipster’s account was quite different from the “official” story being run in several papers today. According to the anonymous tip, the videos were shot in KOREA with her live-in foreign boyfriend. I have no idea which version is true—I’m only repeating what I’ve read.

  • Irrawaddy

    Oh, Good Lord Marmot. Some of us have work to do, so how about digging up a moderately work-safe depiction of the Ajumma in question…it will save us hours.

  • dinkus maximus

    can someone drop a hint on at least what to google?

    you know this won’t be dropped.

  • Maekchu

    Yet another reason why Korea is not ready to be taken seriously in the world community.

  • gbevers

    I wonder if the lady in question would consider tutoring me in Korean? Suddenly, I feel I need to brush up.

  • http://www.occidentalism.org shakuhachi

    Something is strange there. Only 200 to 300 dollars per video? That seems like a pittance. She could make more in a massage parlor. There must be more to this story than is immediately apparent.

  • bluejax21

    Try searching 영어강사 on Naver.com. You should be able to navigate from there under the Daum Cafe sites. I guess the forums that they keep posting photos and video (yes, videos are available) are being found and censored, so they are moving around.

  • http://www.occidentalism.org shakuhachi

    I found it. LOL.

  • http://www.cominganarchy.com Curzon

    Maekchu: Yet another reason why Korea is not ready to be taken seriously in the world community.

    No shit. How much longer will this country operate on the imaginary basis that they can outlaw any speech and expression they consider pornographic or “anti-Korean”? It’s the 21st century — grow up.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    As long as they can get away with it because no one calls them on their shit.

  • http://www.sperwerslog.com Sperwer

    As long as they can get away with it because no one tells them their (kimchi)shit stinks.

  • http://www.wmga.net captbbq

    The videos, though hardcore, appear to be amateurish sometimes awkward

    heaven forbid p0rn be amateurish or “awkward”

  • montclaire

    The legal aspect baffles me. You read about people bribing someone, then reporting the bribee to the police when he fails to fulfill his part of the deal. It seems you get off as long as you turn someone else in.

  • http://corumsblog.blogspot.com/ dudeinwales

    Whatever kid it is that turned her in is a total loser. Why would he think to himself, “Oh no, she has broken the Law Against Obscenity and Other Forms of Vice! I must report her to my local police station!” instead of “My teacher does porno? Sweet…”

  • railwaycharm

    Come on Marmot, let’s have a glimps!

  • http://www.eye4insanity.blogspot.com Eye4Insanity

    She’s a hottie! What a fool that kid is to rat her out.

  • austin

    Let’s get this right. She broke the law (Korean dumbass law) whilst LIVING OVERSEAS. On these two facts she is defined as not Korean, but as a Korean-Canadian.
    I’m surprised the headline wasn’t “Foreign English Teacher busted for Porn!” As for the kid who surfed porn on the internet illegally, well remember in Korea it’s illegal to give bribes but not illegal to receive them (as long as you pay your taxes)

  • cmc

    Funny how this went from a topic about elementary school teacher scandal to bashing Korea. Some of you idiots need to seriously grow up. For example look at what this guy says-

    “”
    Maekchu: Yet another reason why Korea is not ready to be taken seriously in the world community.
    No shit. How much longer will this country operate on the imaginary basis that they can outlaw any speech and expression they consider pornographic or “anti-Korean”? It’s the 21st century — grow up. “”

    Your icon states that you’re in Japan right? Listen, just because Korea doesn’t sell used pre pubescent school girl underwear in vending machines like they do in japan doesn’t mean that Koreans are immature. Nor is it immature that the Korean government combats pornography. Its being responsible and personally I don’t want to see pornography or almost nude women on daily newspaper, billboards, stores etc all over the place for little children to see. Japan however does post its pornography or almost nude women on its newspapers, billboards, stores and other areas for kids to see.

    And please don’t mention free speech. Korea actually has press freedom, in fact South Korea scores the highest amongst asian nations in press freedom. South Korea scores 31 on the annual world wide press freedom index for 2006. Japan scores a pathetic 51. You cant tell another culture or country that its immature or stupid because it runs things different from the country youre in or from. That’s called cultural imperialism and using your own retarded logic I can call Japan immature and pathetic for having pornography all over the place.

    Back on topic: The lady starred in a porno video and now shes teaching an elementary school. Any parent(correction decent parent) would prefer their kids to be taught by a clean respectable women rather than someone whos stupid enough to make a porn video for the entire world to see. Its sad to see certain idiots defend her.

  • http://x85130c4.spaces.live.com/ Mark

    House of FileSharing…a home for present-day comfort women.

  • http://x85130c4.spaces.live.com/ Mark

    If the porno had been of her with some Korean guy, her student would not have ratted her out.

  • cm

    I kinda concur with what “cmc” said.
    I don’t think there’s any Expat in Korea who prefers to see their kids being taught by porn stars who just did their last shots just a few months back – despite all the giggly jokes and high and mighty moral outrage about ‘lack of freedom of press’. (pffftt..)

  • http://www.thewilliamg.com The_William_G

    a clean respectable women

    Not like she’s a crack whore fucking her students and giving them HIV.

  • http://yeomso.blogspot.com/ The Goat

    cmc,

    Disregarding your motives for posting, but please…softporn is pretty much everywhere in Korea – hardly hidden from the public eye. As for the government combating porn – theory vs. reality. I would liken it to how they combat prostitution (read: they say they do but do nothing).

    I guess I don’t really see the point in using the same style as those you condemn in your supposed counter-points.

  • cm

    Jesus, it’s not like the woman is getting 20 years hard time. She’s getting a fine of 10 million won – which is very consistent with the usual punishment for breaking all sorts of crimes in the ROK.

    Personally, I think it’s a stupid law (anti-porn). But as we have seen over and over in Korea, if you allow something to happen without consequences and with leniency, then pretty soon it will explode in mass popularity. Perhaps that’s why the ROK government gets down hard on porn or drugs – they want to nip it in the bud before Korea gets known as the porn or drug capital of the world, plus they probably don’t want the sex industry to grow even bigger then it is now.

  • http://x85130c4.spaces.live.com/ Mark

    At $25 per month, the revenue she generates with this publicity is sure to pay off her fine and then some.

  • http://hojupjimong.wordpress.com/ JiMong

    …and life goes on and she will be buried in oblivion.

  • slim

    CMC strikes me as the angry Mike Breen stalker over at the Korea Times who goes by Kormerican. He would have a minor point if he had his facts right about the teacher’s occupation and the student’s age.

    My concern is for rule of law issues (again) in South Korea, where in this case no crime was committed yet this teacher has already been convicted.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    I don’t know if they realize that this is only the tip of the iceberg. There are probably dozens, if not hundreds, of Koreans ‘flexing their acting muscles’/’experimenting with their sexuality’ on North American websites (this has always made that whole excitement about Korea’s first ‘American gentlemen’s magazine’ model seem rather pointless to me). I guess this answers my questions about how Koreans netizens would react if and when they found out about it (in this case, they have been typing furiously with one hand).

    Being fairly open-minded, I’d say her bigger mistake was not doing porn, but returning to Korea.

  • gbnhj

    Almond, I’d say.

  • Rohclue

    gbnhj, don’t be such a tease…

  • SomeguyinKorea

    I wonder P2P software, such as emule, is still popular.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    Rohclue, proxy servers are good tools to ensure your privacy.

  • Rohclue

    Meaning what, SomeguyinKorea?

  • montclaire

    Almond? Almond is hideous.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    Rohclue, stop being such a tease.

  • Nobongpil

    I’m with Mark. Her marketing skills are ingenious. Her ship has finally come in and She’ll never have to lower herself to teaching English again. I hope she gets an agent pronto. She should hope the story breaks back home. Ah… the opportunities are limitless.

    If all else fails she start a porn star run English camp. How would that be for motivation?

  • montclaire

    Me teach you long time.

  • seouldout

    Montclaire, applause.

  • http://x85130c4.spaces.live.com/ Mark

    I’m curious if her current American boyfriend that she’s shacked-up with is in USFK. The guys and girls in the videos spoke with Canadian accents, the various guys seem to be quite out of shape, and I saw North American electrical outlets and baseboard electrical heaters, so it appears to have been legitimately filmed in Toronto….

  • michael

    CMC: “Funny how this went from a topic about elementary school teacher scandal to…” bagging on Japan. I’m with you that some of these comments are lame, however let’s look at some facts: Korea does not “combat pornography”–it’s on cable TV here every day, advertised in the “Sports” papers and on all the business cards littering the streets (ironically with images of Japanese porn stars on them). It’s not a case of being as overt as in Japan, it’s the same, with a different social attitude toward it, basically “I don’t acknowledge it so it doesn’t exist.”

    Of course there should be standards enforced for hakwon teachers, so let’s start with the Korean government’s education policy and the teacher’s union here, which are apparently failing to provide an adequate level of education standards themselves–or there would be little demand for hakwons in the first place.

  • dinkus maximus

    that girl is one nasty girl. at first i felt some sympathy for her situation, and i still do…but man…that girl really enjoys what she is doing and the konglishy dirty talk says it all. she does it all to. i’m surprised she didn’t get revealed sooner.

    did anyone notice in some pics that she has a small poster in her kitchen that says “thank you for not thinking” with a line through the korean taeguki symbol? it appears the stuff was shot in her home. i noticed a rice cooker.

  • Passions

    Where you guys getting the video?

  • montclaire

    Not worth checking out, Passions. Early 30s, a 6 out of 10 in the looks department, but very impressed with herself, and Konglish to set your teeth on edge. In short, Canadian-English-teacher fodder.

  • genie201

    And please don’t mention free speech. Korea actually has press freedom, in fact South Korea scores the highest amongst asian nations in press freedom. South Korea scores 31 on the annual world wide press freedom index for 2006. Japan scores a pathetic 51

    Press Freedom Survey by Freedom House ranks Japan 35th and South Korea 69th.
    http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/PFS/PFSGlobalTables2006.pdf
    Also, Japan scores 20 on a new Democracy Index of the World in 2007 published by the British Economist’s Intelligence Unit. While South Korea is ranked as one of the 54 countries that have flawed democracies.

  • montclaire

    You certainly see a much wider range of press opinion in Japan, where you have a real anti-nationalist left wing. Here in Korea you just have pro-American and anti-American variants of the same rabid nationalism.

  • http://www.yeolchae.wordpress.com yeolchae

    Apparently she was in a post on asian sirens on Nov 14 2005.

    The link to her website is there too.

  • http://x85130c4.spaces.live.com/ Mark

    Let’s try to keep this thread focused on the topic at handjob, or else the Marmot might end up in hot water if the haters sieze the opportunity and blame this blog for revealing the cash cow identity of the accused.

  • http://mingi.typepad.com Mingi

    There appears to be confusion as to what is legal and illegal with regards to pornography in South Korea. As I’ll show below, the video and photos that English teacher was a part of does break South Korean law in terms of its contents.

    Contrary to popular perception, softcore porn is indeed legal in South Korea. According to a Korean porn director I met a few years ago, there are basically two conditions. First, the movie can’t show any genitals or bodily hormones that come out of them. Second (and most importantly), the Culture Ministry has to approve the movie for distribution, which is apparently an irritating process for “the industry.”

    These movies are the equivalent of NC-17 movies in the US, and “regular” Korean films often show sexual footage at par with Korean softcore porn. Simply, South Korean porn is not what you would image in, say, a Vivid video.

    However, hardcore porn (i.e. Almond’s movies) is illegal. And as far as I know, this type of porn is not advertised in South Korea publicly nor is it produced locally with gov’t consent.

    Simply, there is a clear distinction between what is legal and illegal with regards to porn in South Korea. And I think this is a clear division.

    Also, South Korea isn’t the only country where their citizens’ questionable sexual behavior overseas is punishable upon return. And this includes the United States and Great Britain. Just look at Gary Glitter.

    But, is Almond Canadian or South Korean? Local papers don’t make that “crear.”

  • montclaire

    Almond’s not much to look at; that much is “crear.”
    I’ve seen Cindy Sheehan videos – ask your vendor for Walnut – that give off more heat.

  • SomeguyinKorea

    Mingi, you can’t be suggesting that the two cases compare? This person is accused of doing something that is legal where it took place (and only involved consenting adults), whereas Gary Glitter…

  • http://juggertha.blogspot.com/ Juggertha

    The vids I saw seemed to be filmed ona beach in Vancouver. Isn’t that where most of this took place?

  • parang

    I feel like I am watching Carlos Mencia on this entry. Dee dee dee!

    This is nothing but a marketing ploy to get more webhits for the operator of the young lass’s website. Mysterious emails, Korea media overreacts. Sounds like classic guerilla marketing to me.

    Nothing here, move along…

  • cmc

    CMC strikes me as the angry Mike Breen stalker over at the Korea Times who goes by Kormerican. He would have a minor point if he had his facts right about the teacher’s occupation and the student’s age.
    My concern is for rule of law issues (again) in South Korea, where in this case no crime was committed yet this teacher has already been convicted.

    Slim you failed to make any decent argument against me. And I am well aware of what the teachers occupation and the students she taught(grades 3-5). The fact is that she broke Korean law and to make matters worse, this “role model” taught children grades 3-5.

    You Korea bashers are the biggest hypocrites imaginable. Im pretty sure you would also be bashing Korea if they allowed the porn teacher to keep her job and receive no penalties or fines for her role in pornography. Whatever Korea does(even if it’s the right thing) you will find some way to bash Korea.

    “Of course there should be standards enforced for hakwon teachers, so let’s start with the Korean government’s education policy and the teacher’s union here, which are apparently failing to provide an adequate level of education standards themselves–or there would be little demand for hakwons in the first place. “

    I do not support the bureaucratic rote memorization methods used in Korean schools. Nor do I support the endless number of Hakwons Korean kids have to attend because their schools are incompetant. And I sure as hell do not support those selfish teachers unions. But then again what does this have to do with the issue at hand(porn teacher educating elementary school children)?
    —–
    Genie201 we are talking about freedom of press. Porn has more to do with freedom of press then democracy.

    Free press Korea 31 Japan 51
    http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=19388

    Freedomhouse gave Korea and Japan both “Free” ranking. The also both scored 1 on political rights and 2 on civil liberties.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World_2006

  • cmc

    The total score for japan on the democracy index was 40.75.
    The total score for South Korea on the democracy index was 39.38.Its not like Japan has a giant lead in democracy. Id also like to point out that Korea is improving at a much faster pace then Japan. 1-2 years and Koreas democracy index will be higher.

  • http://yeomso.blogspot.com/ The Goat

    Slim you failed to make any decent argument against me.

    Perhaps that may be so. However, you have time and time again failed to make any argument at all. Diversion after diversion after diversion….

    But then again what does this have to do with the issue at hand(porn teacher educating elementary school children)?

    Please follow your own advice..mmmkay?

  • http://x85130c4.spaces.live.com/ Mark

    In the beginning, we were talking about a hoe who got turned in by her student because she was having sex with whitey.

    Now we are firmly entrenched in the old mainstay of Korea vs. Japan.

    I hereby propose the Corean corollary to Godwin’s Law:

    As an online discussion grows longer and involves Corean netizens, the probability of a comparison involving Japan approaches one.

  • cmc

    Are you blind “the Goat” or simply illiterate? I made a lot of points, that’s I why I started the argument against those Korea bashers. The kind of idiots who believe its their duty to bash Koreans because its doing the right thing by firing and punishing a elementary teacher involved in pornography. If I had no point I wouldn’t have said anything.

  • Gerno

    I believe you’ve missed the bigger problem here. The young lad was smart enough to find his teacher while surfing internet porn yet stupid enough not to ask for private lessons.

  • http://yeomso.blogspot.com/ The Goat

    cmc,

    And thus it continues. A condensed version of your posts:

    – announced bashers
    – bashed the bashers
    – saw icon and needlessly involved Japan
    – half-assed addressed free speech while needlessly involving Japan
    – random stuff about others being off topic

    Just what point were you trying to make again? I think it is quite clear that you hate Japan and hate people who “bash” Corea. You alluded to the preference of a “respectable women” teaching children – not much of a point there either as most would probably agree.

    In all of your ramblings, you only had the one reference to the topic at hand

    Back on topic: The lady starred in a porno video and now shes teaching an elementary school. Any parent(correction decent parent) would prefer their kids to be taught by a clean respectable women rather than someone whos stupid enough to make a porn video for the entire world to see. Its sad to see certain idiots defend her.

    The other “points” are just trying to divert the attention from Korea plus some ad hominem thrown in for good measure.

  • kpmsprtd

    I did a direct comparison of the young teacher lady’s jewels versus those of Britney Spears. I concluded that while I would be very eager to do it with the young teacher lady, you would have to pay me a lot of money to do it with Britney Spears.

    The young teacher lady seems quite nice, and she certainly looks nice. Too bad for her she probably has or had a dumbass boyfriend with a thing for videotaping what could and should properly remain private.

    For the record, I have no problem with the young teacher lady teaching my kids so long as the video shooting she did in Canada is something that she has left behind. I do believe, however, that if she chooses to pursue a full-blown porn career, she should put her teaching career on hold.

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  • http://throughwhiteyseyes.blogspot.com whitey

    She’s been on the internet for a year or so. She’s on asianthumbs.org a lot.

    In retrospect, her keeping her nationality “secret” should have been a dead giveaway that she’s Korean. I’m surprised I didn’t put that together.

  • montclaire

    The real scandal is that she was passing herself off as 23.

  • cmc

    I don’t hate Japan, the users who bashed Korea had a Japanese flag on his account. I don’t know if he/she is a Japanese native, but my point was to show how ridiculous it was to bash Korea for doing the right thing and because it has a different culture. They had no right to call Korea or Koreans immature simply because Koreans punished someone for breaking the law. I welcomed their intolerance with my own insults and I don’t view that as anything wrong.

    I did not divert attention away from this topic, which was about a porn actress breaking the law and educating elementary schoolers. If anything those bashers did. They changed the subject into yet another “hate Korea for no reason” topic.

  • michael

    “Nor do I support the endless number of Hakwons Korean kids have to attend because their schools are incompetant. And I sure as hell do not support those selfish teachers unions. But then again what does this have to do with the issue at hand (porn teacher educating elementary school children)?”

    It is directly related since as I said government education policy is a failure, the teacher’s union works for its own interests, not the kids, and parents feel compelled to send their kids to hakwons, which have no government oversight and hire unqualified people. There’s a direct link because these are the relevant authorities. OK?

  • wolfgang

    America has imposed its own idea of justice on another country in the past. Anyone remember that teenage idiot that got a caning in Singapore for spray painting the cars? I, like many back home, was rooting for their idea of corporal punishment to win. There is also the issue of SOFA. I’ve had a hard time justifying why the US gets to punish its own for crimes committed in another country.

    I’d also like to point out that there is some consistency in the Korean thinking. As I’ve posted before, the Korean mentality is that its ok to do what you want behind closed doors. Therefore, prostitution laws are not vigorously enforced. Showing genitals in any fashion would corrupt the innocence of the general population. As ridiculous as it seems to a westerner, it is just how they think here. Does anyone notice how they pixilate out any knife wielding on regular television? It’s the same idea. There are plenty of people in the west who would gladly adapt the same standard if allowed. I have to admit that even though I know there is a knife behind the blur, it does take away some of the edge.

  • jsin

    US makes it illegal for its citizens to indulge in Cuban products even while overseas. While a ban engaging in the production of pornography can be marginally justified on moral grounds, the prohibition on goods from one entire nation based purely on political prejudice is truly moronic.

    Moral values is a matter of cultural discretion. The smae people who condemn the Korean criminalization of pornography would probably not mind such criminalization applied to pedophiles.

  • http://www.slg.co.kr Brendon Carr

    There is also the issue of SOFA. I’ve had a hard time justifying why the US gets to punish its own for crimes committed in another country.

    Well, then, it appears you’re not thinking hard enough. Here are some suggested reasons:

    - It’s international law. Yes, some form of extraterritoriality for deployed soldiers is a long-established principle of international law. The UN Model SOFA, and all of Korea’s own SOFAs with countries where Korean troops are deployed, deny criminal jurisdiction to the host state in all cases. Only at the instigation of the United States, through its leadership of NATO and its bilateral defense arrangements worldwide, has there been a diminution of the extraterritorial principle. The US SOFA with Korea and others is more generous to the host state than any other such agreement in the world.

    - It’s in keeping with the US Constitution. Unlike you or me, soldiers are not dispatched to Korea at their choice; they come here when ordered to by the United States government. Not guaranteeing them minimum standards of due process under a SOFA amounts to forcible deprivation of Constitutional rights.

    Plus you seem to be unaware that in almost all cases, US military-law punishments are harsher than those in the civilian world. Except, of course, for “crimes” which are not crimes under US law — for example, traffic accidents which do not involve culpable negligence.

  • michael

    “the prohibition on goods from one entire nation based purely on political prejudice is truly moronic” Tell that to the South Korean government–it has banned Japanese products for decades for that very reason (and no, not just pornography).

  • cmc

    michael, America is doing the exact same thing with Cuban products. The same was true with certain Soviet items during the cold war. As well as German products during world war 2. If you studied Korean history, are you really not surprised that Japanese products were banned in Korea until a few years ago?

  • michael

    Cmc, His/her point was: “Moral values is a matter of cultural discretion” which I agree with. His example was the Cuba embargo, and I pointed out that Korea has done the same. Nothing more than that, and I’m not surprised in the least.

  • Adlorin

    Ah, no posts in several days. Looks like I’ll have to rekindle the flame!

    The entire situation is most unfortunate. It just seems unreasonable that any country, not just Korea, will enforce local laws to its nationals in foreign lands for what is essentially a ‘victim-less crime’.

    Even though what she did was not of good judgment, it is a pity that her past has to come back at her like this. This will cause quite a detrimental impact which will likely effect the rest of her life.

    It leaves open the idea of, ‘what now’ for her? Will it be difficult or impossible for her to remain teaching, or finding any other job of reasonable compensation? Or will it put her in a position where she is likely to return to the life style she left, and perhaps for the worse.

    It seems this idea is something that has gone unmentioned here and various other places online. A persons life, in the long run, I think should always be a consideration in events like this. I think too often just the immediacy and ‘right now’ of a scenario takes priority and dominance.

    It also leaves one to wonder, will there be any action taken against the boy who found her images on the web? Will the government be consistent in prosecuting him, or will they just selectively chose who they wish to prosecute?

    ~Adlorin

  • uhoooooo

    황당한 소리들만 하고 있네.
    죄형법정주의 몰라요?
    한국법에서도 포르노 보는 것은 죄가 아닙니다.
    한국에서 포르노 보는 것이 죄라고 도대체 누구에게서 들은 겁니까?

    포르노물 찍어서 올리는 것 자체는 범죄가 캐나다법으로 범죄가 아니지만, 그 사람은 하드코어 포르노물을 누구나 접근하여 볼 수 있게 하였습니다. 캐나다법으로도 명백한 범죄입니다. 대체 누가 범죄 아니라고 하던가요? 법전 좀 찾아보고 말을 하든가.

    사이버 테러니 그러는데 신체의 은밀한 부분까지 누구나 보라고 오히려 광고하고 다녔는데, 무슨 사이버 테러입니까.

    여기는 제대로 된 학교에서 제대로 된 교육을 받은 외국인은 오지 않는 겁니까.

    덧글이 이렇게나 달리는 글이라면 최소한의 사전 조사 정도는 한 글이어야 할텐데, 이렇게 엉터리 소리나 하고 있고…
    제발 공부 좀 하세요. 허튼 소리 하지 말고.

  • dogbertt

    건방 좀 그만 떨었으면 합니다. 당신 모르시는 남들의 교육에 대해서 신경 쓰지 말고 VANK으로 다시 돌아가시죠.

  • uhoooooo

    @dogbertt:

    건방 떨지 않게 좀 해주지 그러십니까.
    기본의 기본도 안 되어 있으니 이런 반응 나오지요.

    포르노 보는 것이 불법이라느니, 같이 어울리는 한국인 무리들에게서 들었나. ^^ 혹시 한국인들에게서 들었다면 그 한국인들 수준도 참…^^ 역시 수준 맞춰서 끼리끼리 노는구나.^^

    요즘 캘리포니아 주 경찰들이 매춘 하는 여성들 잡느라
    바쁘더군요. 가끔 할리우드 스타들 매춘하다 걸려서 매스콤에 나오죠. 야외에서 음란한 짓으로 걸렸나. 휴 그랜트. 더 많은데 대표적인 한 사람만 들죠.

    포르노를 찍고, 포르노 사이트를 운영하고, 어린이들마저 볼 수 있게 샘플비디오를 개방했으며, 그 샘플비디오들은 하드코어였습니다. 그러나, 불구속에 고작 벌금 정도 나올 예정이랍니다. 앞의 부분은 뒤져봐야겠지만, 제가 말한 이상은 되지 않을 겁니다. 미국이나 캐나다였다면 이것으로 그치지 않았을 것입니다. 휠씬 더 시끄러웠을 거라구요. 세상에 하드코어 포르노 배우하면서 영어 강사라니.
    안 그래도 캐나다 출신의 마약파티하는 영어강사들, 한국 와서 한국 여자들과 돌려 자는 영어강사들 때문에 말이 많은데.

  • wjk

    “안 그래도 캐나다 출신의 마약파티하는 영어강사들, 한국 와서 한국 여자들과 돌려 자는 영어강사들 때문에 말이 많은데.”

    / dogbertt, he wouldn’t mention it, if it wasn’t true !

  • dogbertt

    Well, I’m not Canadian, I’ve used fewer illegal substances than popular Korean entertainers “PSY” and Hwang Soo-jung, and I’ve never taught English.

    But

    한국 와서 한국 여자들과 돌려 자는 것

    ?

    Guilty as charged.

  • http://www.occidentalism.org shakuhachi

    “안 그래도 캐나다 출신의 마약파티하는 영어강사들, 한국 와서 한국 여자들과 돌려 자는 영어강사들 때문에 말이 많은데.”

    uhoooooo, can we get some proof of this statment? I mean, can you show a pattern of this happening? Or even happening once?

    주장에 대한 증거가 있습니까? 증거가 없으면 단지 인종차별 망언이에요.

  • wjk

    dogbertt is the one who, a while back, said he favors white women heavily.

    I guess he had to find a substitute or he’s just saying that to be chauvinistic. It’s always a put down to say, “yeah, but I had sex with your women,” especially for the foreigner. Is it not?

    Either way, dogbertt is not being a nice guy. There is no reason the new poster should go back to VANK.

  • dogbertt

    dogbertt is the one who, a while back, said he favors white women heavily.

    No, I said I favor “heavy white women”.

    Hey, maybe I am Canadian after all.

  • uhoooooo

    @shakuhachi:
    인종 차별적이지는 않고 특정국에 대한 편견이 있군요. 인정합니다. 열받은 상태에서 나온 과도한 발언이었습니다.
    최근에 벌어진 초등학교 마약 사건의 당사자인 원어민 영어교사는 아일랜드이었습니다. 하도 캐나다인 말을 많이 듣다 보니 일어난 혼동이었습니다. ^^;;; ㅅ깊이 사과드리면서 너그러운 마음으로 이해해주시기를 바랍니다.
    그러나, ‘캐나다인’ 부분을 제외하고는 그 증거는 많은 것으로 보입니다. 아래를 참고하시길.

    @dogbertt
    VANK가 뭔가 하였더니 수상한 사이트 이름 내지 단체 이름이군요. 관심없는 곳.

    @ all

    http://media.paran.com/snews/newssearch.php?Query=%BF%B5%BE%EE+%B8%B6%BE%E0&dir=

    위에나 아니면 코리아헤럴드 같은 곳 참고하시고.
    한국법은 미국법이나 캐나법, 영국법 등에 비하여 훨씬 경하고 경하게 집행이 되고 있습니다. 캐나다 등에서라면 징역을 살 일에 대해서 한국에서라고 마구 말씀들 하시는데 듣기 불편하군요. 한국에 대한 욕으로 받아들여서가 아니라 사실에 근거하지 않은 판단이라서 그런 겁니다.
    http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1268&storyid=2899441
    하나의 예입니다.
    이것 말고도 많은데 저의 예전 블로그가 고물이라서 검색이 귀찮군요. (꼭 이렇게 예를 들어가면서 해야 하나 짜증도 납니다. 당신들도 신문 읽으실텐데 말입니다.)

    제가 일본 소설을 하나 읽었는데, 기억을 더듬어 보면, 개인의 집에서 대마초 비스무리 한 걸 피우고 노는데(나중에 섹스로 이러지든 어떻든) 경찰이 들이닥쳐서 체포해가더군요. 죄목이 대마초 그런 걸이 아니라 다른 것이었던 같은데, 이 부분에 대해서 작가가 정확하게 기술해 줄 리가 없으니 넘기고, 여튼 개인의 집에서 일어난 일이라는데 그렇답니다.

    눈요기로 한국의 한 클럽입니다.
    http://www.law4u.net/tech/board.php?board=trivia&command=body&no=19

    캐나다에서 돌아온 포르노 영어강사에 대한 글입니다. 새로울 내용은 없습니다.

    http://www.law4u.net/tech/board.php?board=trivia&command=body&no=2

  • dogbertt

    Uhuru, I’m glad to hear that my assumption was wrong and you have no association with or interest in VANK. Just as I have no interest in Canada or teaching English to Koreans. Or taking drugs, for that matter.

    However, my assumption is understandable, given that VANK is a group of Koreans, like you, who are convinced that non-Koreans “lack education” and “misunderstand Korea’s special situation”.

  • http://www.occidentalism.org shakuhachi

    인종 차별적이지는 않고 특정국에 대한 편견이 있군요. 인정합니다. 열받은 상태에서 나온 과도한 발언이었습니다.
    최근에 벌어진 초등학교 마약 사건의 당사자인 원어민 영어교사는 아일랜드이었습니다. 하도 캐나다인 말을 많이 듣다 보니 일어난 혼동이었습니다. ^^;;; ㅅ깊이 사과드리면서 너그러운 마음으로 이해해주시기를 바랍니다.
    그러나, ‘캐나다인’ 부분을 제외하고는 그 증거는 많은 것으로 보입니다. 아래를 참고하시길.

    I looked the link you provided, and saw the case you described. However, this case involving an Irish man is a simple case of drug possession. In your original comment you wrote that the English teachers have drug parties and imply drugs are used to sleep with Korean women. However, nothing you have provided has shown that to be happening.

    uhoooooo씨, 참고 린크가 참고에 되었습니다만, 역시 마약 파티와 전혀 관계가 없었습니다. 기리고 한국인 여성을 마약 파티에 초대 하여 , 섹스 시키는 증거도 없습니다. 마약 하는 것은 불법 행위 라고 누구나 인정 하죠. 그러나 한국인 여성과 동의로 섹스 하는 것은 합법 입니다.

    많은 외국인은 한국인 여성과 동의로 교제하고 있습니다. 마약이나 강간으로 섹스 시키는 외국인은 정말로 극소수의 사람이지요. 한국인 남성이 하는 성폭행 보다 많다고 생각하십니까?

    정말로 답장을 읽고 싶습니다.

    The other example you provide of the woman doing the porno is a Korean Canadian (a Korean immigrant to Canada), in Korea with a visa only available to people that are of the Korean race. You could say that she was in Korea because Korea has a racial policies favoring those that are ethnically Korean over people of other races. Also, it is funny that you were talking about “Canadians” and pointing fingers at specific races, but when it came to the ethnic Korean you started talking about “native speakers”. I mean, come on!

  • Remort

    “Netizens—in a rare example of online justice—have also been slamming the student who tipped off police. Surfing porn in Korea is a crime—not that you’d know that judging from everyday behavior—and it is quite ironic that Ms. Kim would be punished for doing something that was quite legal where she did it while the rat who turned her in won’t be for doing something illegal.”

    What is the Korean definition of “porn”?

    –Remort

  • wjk

    Mr. uhoooooo

    Don’t take anything dogbertt or shakuhaci says to heart.

    Basically, they’re just going to make you angry.

    They think occidentalism.org is a great site.

    Somewhat not fully happy people who don’t like South Korea for some legit, some bogus reasons.

  • http://www.occidentalism.org shakuhachi

    Mr. uhoooooo

    Don’t take anything dogbertt or shakuhaci says to heart.

    Basically, they’re just going to make you angry.

    They think occidentalism.org is a great site.

    Somewhat not fully happy people who don’t like South Korea for some legit, some bogus reasons.

    wjk, would you care to explain exactly what in my polite reply to uhoooooo could possibly make him angry?

  • dogbertt

    Hey wjk, how are your studies at that “five finger” university going?

  • uhoooooo

    마약 관련해서는 여기, http://news.naver.com/search/search.naver?where=nns&rcsection=&query=%B8%B6%BE%E0+%BF%B5%BE%EE+%B0%AD%BB%E7 ,
    넘치는데요. 대마초나 기타 환각물질까지 검색하면 더 나올텐데 귀찮네요, 이미 위의 링크에서도 자료 충분해 보이구요. -_-; . 제가, 그 아리리쉬 한 사람을 이전의 다른 마약사건이나 좋지 않은 사건의 캐나다인들과 관련하여서 잘못 연결지어 저지른 실수라고 말씀드렸습니다. 위의 ‘캐나다인들’은 ‘영미권 국가에서 온 사람들’로 고치겠습니다. 물론, 그 중에서도 일부의 사람들이지요. 어쨋든 영미권에서 넘어온 한국계나 영미권 사람들들이 마약하는 일로 걸린 일이 꽤 보이지 않습니까.

    강간,은 왜 나오는지,
    여자 문제야 이것, http://www.law4u.net/tech/board.php?board=trivia&command=body&no=19 . 이 정도로 충분하지 않나요?
    한국남자들은 오지 못하게 하고 한국여성들만 입장시켜서는 저런다면서요? 당연히, 친분 있는 아니면 잔신부름이나 아니면 파티를 주관하는 몇 한국인은 입장하겠지요. 미국에서 한국 남자들이 저래 봐. 무슨 일이 일어날지 -_-;
    이것도 너무 말이 많아서 탈인데, 증거를 적시하라고 다그치시니 입이 안 떨어지네요. 그 쪽 돌아가는 사정은 저보다 휠씬 잘 아실 것 같은데.

    인종차별이 아니고 출신국가에 대한 선입관이랄까 편견이 작용한 것이고 이에 대한 해명은 이미 위에서 하였습니다.
    그리고, 혹여 (인종이 아닌 출신국에 의한)선입관이 제게 있다 하여도, 이미 백인 남성들은 한국인들, 특히 한국 여성들에게서 충분하다 못해 지나치다 할 환대를 받고 있으니, 그에 대한 약간의 반동이 있는 것은 지렛대의 원리상 당연한 일 아니겠습니까.

    @dogbertt

    “당신 모르시는 남들의 교육에 대해서 신경 쓰지 말고””
    like you, who are convinced that non-Koreans “lack education” and “misunderstand Korea’s special situation”.

    ===>

    O.K.
    너무 얼토당토 아니한 말씀을 먼저 하시고 그 얼토당토 않은 말을 기초호 하여 글타래가 이어지고 있으니 제가 상기와 같은 반응을 하지 않을 수 있었겠습니까. 그런데, ‘한국에 대한 오해’ 부분은 관심사가 아닌데, 정말로.

    요런 인물, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Jennings
    그 외 많은 인물이 있었는데 어찌 한국 거주 외국인들을 괄세할 수가 있나요^^;

    그러나, 진짜 정말 열받게도 한국의 형은 미국이나 영국에 비하여 가볍습니다. 거기다 조금 우는 척 하고 잉.잉.잉.거리고 여자면 세상 정말 살기 좋은 나라입니다. 물론, 어떤 가난한 최소하의 자존심을 지키려는 어쩌다 범죄의 길로 한 번 들어선 사람에게는 가혹하지만요. 그러니, 제발 남의 나라 법에 대해서 헛소리 좀 그만 ~~~~

  • dogbertt

    I’ll tell you what, uhuru.

    When Koreans living in the U.S. stop working as whores by the thousands, stop slaughtering bears for their gall bladders, and stop being traitors (Michael Chang, Robert Kim), we foreigners will stop inviting all-to-willing Korean women to party in Hongdae.

    Deal?

  • uhoooooo

    자꾸 엉뚱한 말씀을.
    전혀 다른 상황이잖습니까.

    한국인들이 미국에 가서 일반적으로 그토록이나 환대받던가요?
    홍대에서 한국 남자 오지 마라 한국 여자들만 와라 그러고서
    서양인 남성이면 xx하는 한국 여자들 불러놓고 저게 뭡니까.

    –;;; 사진 좀 보세요. 당신이 어느 나라 사람인지 모르겠지만 어느 나라든간에 본국에 있을 때 저렇게 놀았습니까.

    미국에 가서 범법행위를 한 사람들은 그 나라 법에 따라서 충분히 벌을 받겠지요. 미국 FBI가 열심히 잡고 있다면서요. 누가 거기에 대해서 이의를 제기히던가요. 그들이 미국 법에 대하하여 “(있지도 않은 미국법을 가지고)이런 멍청한 법이 다 있네” 누가 우리를 신고하는 거야 이랬다던가요. 미국 정부를 싸잡아서 비난했다던가요. 그리고, 위에서 당신들은 캐나다인 포르노 배우 출신 강사에 대하여 우호적인 것 같은데.

  • dogbertt

    홍대에서 한국 남자 오지 마라 한국 여자들만 와라 그러고서
    서양인 남성이면 xx하는 한국 여자들 불러놓고 저게 뭡니까.

    제가 올린 글에 그런 의미는 없다니깐요. 영어를 제대로 해석할 줄 모르시나 싶어서 제가 앞으로 한국어로 답을 써야겠네요.

  • http://x85130c4.spaces.live.com/ Mark

    Cunning linguists. :p

  • http://www.occidentalism.org shakuhachi

    강간,은 왜 나오는지,
    여자 문제야 이것, http://www.law4u.net/tech/board.php?board=trivia&command=body&no=19 . 이 정도로 충분하지 않나요?
    한국남자들은 오지 못하게 하고 한국여성들만 입장시켜서는 저런다면서요? 당연히, 친분 있는 아니면 잔신부름이나 아니면 파티를 주관하는 몇 한국인은 입장하겠지요. 미국에서 한국 남자들이 저래 봐. 무슨 일이 일어날지 -_-;

    그 파티에는 한국 남자 금지 아니었습니다. 한국 남성을 자유스럽게 입장 시켰어요. 게다가 한국 남성도 그 파티에서 재미 있게 시간을 보냈다고 들었습니다.

    사진을 잘 보면 작게 한국 남성의 얼굴을 볼 수 있습니다. 한국 남성이 있고, 참가하고, 놀았습니다. 물론 인종의 혼란을 시키고 싶은 네티즌이 그 사실을 알리고 싶지 않습니다. 그리고 그 파티의 내용에 관해서는, 네티즌등은 “섹스 파티” 라고 설명했는데 그 것은 왜곡된 내용 입니다. 실은 사진에 있는 여성들이 파티의 근무하는 여성 이었습니다. 외설인 행위는 이벤트의 전략이며 한국 여성만 아니라 다국의 서양 여성도 참가했습니다. 이 주장의 검증에 대해서 다시 사진을 보세요.

    키포인트는 한국 남성도 외국 남성도 모두 있고, 한국 여성과 외국 여성이 남성의 성욕망의 대상이 되었습니다. 어떤 나라라도 섹스에 어필하면 티켓을 팔려 자르는군요. 그러나 한국의 네티즌이나 매스컴은 내용을 왜곡해 국민을 자극 시키고 당신 처럼 분노하시는 사람이 많겠지요.

    다시 물어보지만, 정말로 외국 남성 하는 성폭행은 한국 남성 하는 성폭행 보다 자주 있는 현상이라고 생각합니까? 특별히 외국 남성을 지적하니까 구체적인 답장을 원합니다.

    I hope someone besides me and dogbert is reading this, because there is an interesting discussion going on here.

  • wjk

    Christmas break, dogbertt.

    I told you so, uhoooooo

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  • wolfgang

    I saw the lovely lady in question out the last few weeks at a popular foreign drinking establishment. (She’s much lovelier on video than in person by the way) She was getting friendly with a much lovelier Caucasian lady and ignoring the advances of every male patron. She definitely enjoying everyone watching her antics as they got nastier the more people looked at them. A show pony to say the least.

  • Darth Babaganoosh

    Okay, I get the fact that she broke Korea’s laws on obscenity (the showing of genetalia and pubic hair, to start).

    BUT if she’s being charged with breaking these laws even though she “broke” them in ANOTHER country, then I don’t understand why:

    1) Koreans making hardcore porn IN Korea (but distributed on foreign servers such as zottotv and the like) are not charged and fined, and

    2) why are celebrated nude models such as Lee Seung-hee and Lee Sa-bi also not charged under the obscenity laws. They are showing genetalia and pubic hair, too, aren’t they? Lee Seung-hee has even shown it all in movies.

    [ I won't even get into the issue of how Korea thinks it can impose its laws on acts that occur in another sovereign state, where those acts are legal ]

  • http://rjkoehler.com Robert Koehler

    Koreans making hardcore porn IN Korea (but distributed on foreign servers such as zottotv and the like) are not charged and fined, and

    I thought the girls like 딸기 who were involved in zottotv and the like were busted and even had to do “community service” at the group home in Gyeonggi-do for former comfort women. I also believe that a lot of the (admitedly excellent) work that they did was in Canada and they got busted when they came back to Korea. I have a ton of stuff in the archives (like this) about that case if you run a search.

    why are celebrated nude models such as Lee Seung-hee and Lee Sa-bi also not charged under the obscenity laws. They are showing genetalia and pubic hair, too, aren’t they? Lee Seung-hee has even shown it all in movies.

    Well, for starters, Lee Seung-hee is, legally speaking, about as Korean as I am. She’s from Ohio, after all. Secondly, I don’t believe doing “hair nudes” overseas is illegal—the problem is that “hair nudes” of “a strongly sexual nature” cannot be distributed in Korea. I seem to recall that being an issue when Lee Sabi did her work for Playboy—Playboy’s Korean partner, Spice TV, wanted to release her “hair nudes” here, but the Information Communication Ethics Committee said no.

  • http://www.icebergkorea.com Iceberg

    “Hair nudes”. That phrase just kills me.

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  • fornetti

    I do not believe this

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