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	<title>Comments on: John Stewart is in deep doo-doo</title>
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		<title>By: Wedge</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/11/24/john-stewart-is-in-deep-doo-doo/#comment-57378</link>
		<dc:creator>Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the ever-elusive dream of becoming a world player as the result of tech transfer. Northrop's F-5 was going to boost Korea's fledgling aerospace industry to world levels back in the early 80s. Still, in the 2000s they can't build anything worthy without having their hand held by Lockheed or Eurocopter. I don't see it being any different in the railroad business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the ever-elusive dream of becoming a world player as the result of tech transfer. Northrop&#8217;s F-5 was going to boost Korea&#8217;s fledgling aerospace industry to world levels back in the early 80s. Still, in the 2000s they can&#8217;t build anything worthy without having their hand held by Lockheed or Eurocopter. I don&#8217;t see it being any different in the railroad business.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/11/24/john-stewart-is-in-deep-doo-doo/#comment-57311</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 23:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leo, the fact a company has a stake in another still makes these two company seperate entities.  I was merely pointing out that when it comes to the auto industry, including the Korean auto industry, 'emulating' others' designs appears to be the norm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo, the fact a company has a stake in another still makes these two company seperate entities.  I was merely pointing out that when it comes to the auto industry, including the Korean auto industry, &#8216;emulating&#8217; others&#8217; designs appears to be the norm.</p>
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		<title>By: LeoStrauss</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeoStrauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: #12

SM and Nissans would unsurprisingly look similar.
The company in Korea is 르노삼성자동차 
르노 == renault (르노삼성자동차 CEO is pink, not yellow)
and there is the renault-nissan alliance (renault has a 44.4% stake in nissan and nissan has ownership of 15% of renault) with the famous carlos ghosn at the helm

SomeguyinKorea:
hate is, I guess, OK
as long as it is informed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: #12</p>
<p>SM and Nissans would unsurprisingly look similar.<br />
The company in Korea is 르노삼성자동차<br />
르노 == renault (르노삼성자동차 CEO is pink, not yellow)<br />
and there is the renault-nissan alliance (renault has a 44.4% stake in nissan and nissan has ownership of 15% of renault) with the famous carlos ghosn at the helm</p>
<p>SomeguyinKorea:<br />
hate is, I guess, OK<br />
as long as it is informed</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/11/24/john-stewart-is-in-deep-doo-doo/#comment-57306</link>
		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, it's Alstom, no 'r' – used to be Alsthom. But who cares about a stray consonant anyway :-)

&lt;blockquote&gt;Actually the Korean train is a copy of the French TGV, of course don’t tell the Koreans that because to the Koreans it has been designed and built with 100% Korean technology.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This, despite my natural tendency to point out Korea's quirks and misbehaviours, is factually untrue. A copy would mean they built a, say, TGB instead of TGV, like they make Luis Bittong and would like us to belive it's Louis Vuitton. Not so here. It's not a copy, it's a hand-me-down [end of 20th Century tech] they paid dearly for. Every cent of it. And let's not forget the stint in prison Mrs Cariou, the [Korean] wife of the then general manager of Alstom Korea, did for handing over the bribe[s]. This affair is filthy at every corner, and, as another commentor said, exemplary in what is fubared in Korea.

The latest TGV are very nice, capable of [almost] flying at 300 MILES per hour [although service on Marseille, the fastest line, is "only" around 200 mph]. The line to where I live is 2/3 high-speed only, and with the head start we had on Korea, this line won't be completed until 2010...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, it&#8217;s Alstom, no &#8216;r&#8217; – used to be Alsthom. But who cares about a stray consonant anyway <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>Actually the Korean train is a copy of the French TGV, of course don’t tell the Koreans that because to the Koreans it has been designed and built with 100% Korean technology.</p></blockquote>
<p>This, despite my natural tendency to point out Korea&#8217;s quirks and misbehaviours, is factually untrue. A copy would mean they built a, say, TGB instead of TGV, like they make Luis Bittong and would like us to belive it&#8217;s Louis Vuitton. Not so here. It&#8217;s not a copy, it&#8217;s a hand-me-down [end of 20th Century tech] they paid dearly for. Every cent of it. And let&#8217;s not forget the stint in prison Mrs Cariou, the [Korean] wife of the then general manager of Alstom Korea, did for handing over the bribe[s]. This affair is filthy at every corner, and, as another commentor said, exemplary in what is fubared in Korea.</p>
<p>The latest TGV are very nice, capable of [almost] flying at 300 MILES per hour [although service on Marseille, the fastest line, is "only" around 200 mph]. The line to where I live is 2/3 high-speed only, and with the head start we had on Korea, this line won&#8217;t be completed until 2010&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dram_man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dram_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 01:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jing&#62; I took the photo myself actualy, its the angle from the platform. The train specificaly is the Shinkasen that runs from Kagoshima to (theoretical) Fukuoka. The track is only halfway built for now so there is a non-shinkasen runing half way.

I did here the Chinese chose the Japanese as well, unsure of the exact model. Ironicaly I saw the first engines being shipped on NHK since I was in Japan they were loaded on the boat. It was about the same time as I took the above pictures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jing&gt; I took the photo myself actualy, its the angle from the platform. The train specificaly is the Shinkasen that runs from Kagoshima to (theoretical) Fukuoka. The track is only halfway built for now so there is a non-shinkasen runing half way.</p>
<p>I did here the Chinese chose the Japanese as well, unsure of the exact model. Ironicaly I saw the first engines being shipped on NHK since I was in Japan they were loaded on the boat. It was about the same time as I took the above pictures.</p>
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		<title>By: Jing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 01:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the shot of the Japanese bullet train is a bit misleading due to the angle in which it was taken. The train in the picture appears to be the 800 series. A reference photo is available at wikipedia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Shinkansen_800_Series_Exterior.jpg

Speaking of bullet trains of the orient, China last year introduced their own bullet train, though I'm not sure if it is actually in service yet. I heard some rumour about the shinkansen being chosen instead of the domestic because the technology behind the domestic model wasn't mature yet. Not sure if it's true or not. Anyways its basic design is quite similar to the 800 series with a blend of the 700 series "bill".

http://www.davidwei.com/chinastar/image05.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the shot of the Japanese bullet train is a bit misleading due to the angle in which it was taken. The train in the picture appears to be the 800 series. A reference photo is available at wikipedia.</p>
<p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Shinkansen_800_Series_Exterior.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....terior.jpg</a></p>
<p>Speaking of bullet trains of the orient, China last year introduced their own bullet train, though I&#8217;m not sure if it is actually in service yet. I heard some rumour about the shinkansen being chosen instead of the domestic because the technology behind the domestic model wasn&#8217;t mature yet. Not sure if it&#8217;s true or not. Anyways its basic design is quite similar to the 800 series with a blend of the 700 series &#8220;bill&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.davidwei.com/chinastar/image05.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.davidwei.com/chinastar/image05.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 23:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cm, what about the resemblance between Samsung cars and Nissans, the similarities between Hyundais and Volkswagens/Audis, and Kia and Ford/Honda/Ranger Rovers/Mercedes Benz?  Manufacturers, including Korean ones, are often 'inspired' by other makers's cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cm, what about the resemblance between Samsung cars and Nissans, the similarities between Hyundais and Volkswagens/Audis, and Kia and Ford/Honda/Ranger Rovers/Mercedes Benz?  Manufacturers, including Korean ones, are often &#8216;inspired&#8217; by other makers&#8217;s cars.</p>
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		<title>By: The_William_G</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_William_G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I always take first class on the KTX. 

That's just how I roll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I always take first class on the KTX. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just how I roll.</p>
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		<title>By: The_William_G</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_William_G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And still some people are complaining that it is too expensive!!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not to start tossing stereotypes around, but Koreans are some of the biggest skinflints I've ever met. Fifty bucks to travel a few hundred kilometers in a few hours seems like a good price to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And still some people are complaining that it is too expensive!!!</p></blockquote>
<p>Not to start tossing stereotypes around, but Koreans are some of the biggest skinflints I&#8217;ve ever met. Fifty bucks to travel a few hundred kilometers in a few hours seems like a good price to me.</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I liked the story recently that Korea was looking to sell its “Korean” bullet train tech to other countries–and Koreans complain that Chinese companies are copying Hyundai cars! Too funny"


Well the difference is the KTX is licensed (paid fair and square) technology through tech transfer agreement, while Chinese companies copying Hyundai cars are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I liked the story recently that Korea was looking to sell its “Korean” bullet train tech to other countries–and Koreans complain that Chinese companies are copying Hyundai cars! Too funny&#8221;</p>
<p>Well the difference is the KTX is licensed (paid fair and square) technology through tech transfer agreement, while Chinese companies copying Hyundai cars are not.</p>
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