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	<title>Comments on: Russia builds dike on traditionally Korean territory of Nokdun-do</title>
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		<title>By: sunbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 00:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, it is hard to argue about ownership prior 1986 as well.
china would like to have Peking Treaty revoked as well.
Russia did not even own any of outer manchuria (i.e. 1.5M sq km NE of Korea) before 1860.

i think in the treaty only the names of the rivers were mentioned, not any of the islands. (that led to the dispute between china and russia and the border war in 1969 -- the river islands were only demarcated </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, it is hard to argue about ownership prior 1986 as well.<br />
china would like to have Peking Treaty revoked as well.<br />
Russia did not even own any of outer manchuria (i.e. 1.5M sq km NE of Korea) before 1860.</p>
<p>i think in the treaty only the names of the rivers were mentioned, not any of the islands. (that led to the dispute between china and russia and the border war in 1969 &#8212; the river islands were only demarcated</p>
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		<title>By: sunbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 00:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If other demarcation cases were to be used as precedence, the most likely outcome is that Russia will get to keep the island.

modern demarcation usually use the navigation route (basically the deepest points in the river) as demarcation point. in the demarcation between China and Russia in Armu/Heilongjiang and Ussuri, also between China and DPRK in Tumen and Yalu, most islands were given to Russia and DPRK based on this principle.

occasionally, there are horse trading (eg between China and Russia) so that large islands would maintain status quo (a result of negotiation). but the island in question is probably too small for such exception to be applied (plus the status quo is that it is under russian control)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If other demarcation cases were to be used as precedence, the most likely outcome is that Russia will get to keep the island.</p>
<p>modern demarcation usually use the navigation route (basically the deepest points in the river) as demarcation point. in the demarcation between China and Russia in Armu/Heilongjiang and Ussuri, also between China and DPRK in Tumen and Yalu, most islands were given to Russia and DPRK based on this principle.</p>
<p>occasionally, there are horse trading (eg between China and Russia) so that large islands would maintain status quo (a result of negotiation). but the island in question is probably too small for such exception to be applied (plus the status quo is that it is under russian control)</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 02:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haisan, 

Proof that Snopes is a CIA front aimed at promulgating disinformation and propaganda.

They don't want us to know the truth.   You will get 40 million dollars if you send that check to that nice Nigerian businessman who emailed you and there really is a kid who has cancer that gets a dollar everytime you forward the email message to 10 of your friends. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haisan, </p>
<p>Proof that Snopes is a CIA front aimed at promulgating disinformation and propaganda.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t want us to know the truth.   You will get 40 million dollars if you send that check to that nice Nigerian businessman who emailed you and there really is a kid who has cancer that gets a dollar everytime you forward the email message to 10 of your friends. <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Haisan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ACTUAL transcript of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I assume you were joking, but just in case:
http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthse.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>ACTUAL transcript of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995</p></blockquote>
<p>I assume you were joking, but just in case:<br />
<a href="http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthse.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/military/lighthse.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Everyone knows Americans are thieves.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Stop pushing your pro-Canadian lies here.  Everyone knows that Canadian claims on United States territory are just a vestige of Canada's imperialist history.  You must be Canadian.  I bet they don't even teach you over there in Canada what your country did to our White House.  I read a Canadian textbook once (well, &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; didn't read it, but a good friend did) and it only had a single paragraph in it about the burning of Washington -- and even then, it seemed to treat the subject as having been justified!  Damn you Canadians!  Stop whitewashing your history.

:P :P :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Everyone knows Americans are thieves.</p></blockquote>
<p>Stop pushing your pro-Canadian lies here.  Everyone knows that Canadian claims on United States territory are just a vestige of Canada&#8217;s imperialist history.  You must be Canadian.  I bet they don&#8217;t even teach you over there in Canada what your country did to our White House.  I read a Canadian textbook once (well, <i>I</i> didn&#8217;t read it, but a good friend did) and it only had a single paragraph in it about the burning of Washington &#8212; and even then, it seemed to treat the subject as having been justified!  Damn you Canadians!  Stop whitewashing your history.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> :P <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, "since you are on the topic".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, &#8220;since you are on the topic&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendon, while you were on the topic...

ACTUAL transcript of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995. This radio conversation was released by the Chief of Naval Operations on 10-10-95.

Americans: "Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision."

Canadians: "Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision."

Americans: "This is the captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course."

Canadians: "No, I say again, you divert YOUR course."

Americans: "THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH. THAT'S ONE-FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP."

Canadians: "This is a lighthouse. Your call."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendon, while you were on the topic&#8230;</p>
<p>ACTUAL transcript of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995. This radio conversation was released by the Chief of Naval Operations on 10-10-95.</p>
<p>Americans: &#8220;Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.&#8221;</p>
<p>Canadians: &#8220;Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.&#8221;</p>
<p>Americans: &#8220;This is the captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.&#8221;</p>
<p>Canadians: &#8220;No, I say again, you divert YOUR course.&#8221;</p>
<p>Americans: &#8220;THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES&#8217; ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH. THAT&#8217;S ONE-FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.&#8221;</p>
<p>Canadians: &#8220;This is a lighthouse. Your call.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Haisan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; For the life of me, I cannot understand why American
&#62; schoolchildren are not drilled in anti-Canadian thought,

No need. That is what SOUTH PARK is for. I hear that show gets over $20 million a year in state funding to push its radical anti-Canada agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; For the life of me, I cannot understand why American<br />
&gt; schoolchildren are not drilled in anti-Canadian thought,</p>
<p>No need. That is what SOUTH PARK is for. I hear that show gets over $20 million a year in state funding to push its radical anti-Canada agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Carr, good post.
Darin, good post.

Although, I think my theory that Japan is being a prick is valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Carr, good post.<br />
Darin, good post.</p>
<p>Although, I think my theory that Japan is being a prick is valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Darin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wjk&#62;  Saying that Japan has territory disputes with Korea, China and Russia and then determining that one party is a prick (I couldn't quite figure out if you meant Japan or Russia as the prick) doesn't quite work because all countries you mentioned have disputes amongst themselves as well.  That's what happens when you have 4 countries with touching land/water borders that have never had a time when they weren't disputed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wjk&gt;  Saying that Japan has territory disputes with Korea, China and Russia and then determining that one party is a prick (I couldn&#8217;t quite figure out if you meant Japan or Russia as the prick) doesn&#8217;t quite work because all countries you mentioned have disputes amongst themselves as well.  That&#8217;s what happens when you have 4 countries with touching land/water borders that have never had a time when they weren&#8217;t disputed.</p>
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