Korea’s rape rate is the highest in the world. And because of jealousy and delusions about Japan, they are making up history
(introduction to Korea at linkflash.hp.infoseek.co.jp)
Korea. Land of the Morning Calm, and Land of the Nightime Ecstasy. Land of the yobo.* Where women really know how to fuck. Plain and simple, these girls are the best at sex. Or to quote the author at Asian X-Stasy, “KG’s ( Korean Girls) can give you the best fucking sex in the world. I love them all.
What do you expect when their national symbol, the ginseng root, is taken for sexual energy?
(from Korean section of worldwidebabes.com)
The Kyunghyang Shinmun reports that the Internet is literally overflowing with anti-Korean websites, but the Korean government is seemingly unable to do anything about it.
Japan alone had some 400 sites that distort Korean history, the paper’s reporters discovered. Most of these sites call for the use of the “Sea of Japan” instead of the “East Sea” or argue for Japanese sovereignty over the Dokdo islets. And they aren’t shy about it. The homepage of Shimane Prefecture, for example, makes claims on Dokdo citing international law. Another site belonging to a group claiming Dokdo, takeshima-wo-mamorukai.com, links to the “Hate the Korean Wave” site and tries to spread anti-Korean sentiment among third-country netizens (assuming, it would seem, said third-country netizens read Japanese).
In the case of China, where Internet censorship is tighter, there is a growing number of blogs and cafes that openly express anti-Korean sentiment. At the “Goguryeo Cafe” opened at Chinese search engine Baidu.com, there are some 30,000 posts about China’s Northeast Project. At club.chinaren.com, you can find “preposterous” claims like “during the Nanjing Massacre, the Japanese were kind and taught songs, but the Koreans were nauseatingly barbaric and deluded.”
If sites in China and Japan are intentionally distorting Korea’s image, said the paper, sites in the West are just plain ignorant. Many sites in the United States and Australia decry Korea’s sexual and culinary culture as barbaric. Meanwhile, in Germany, workers laid off after LG Philips moved its display plant from Aachen have opened a site, aachener-glassfront.de, calling for a boycott of Korean goods.
Unfortunately, the only one doing anything about this is the Korean civic group VANK, said the paper. No department exists at the government level to confront the situation. The Korea Information Service had since October 2004 been leading a committee in conjunction with the Ministry of Education and others to correct mistaken information about Korea, but since the launch of the Northeast Asian History Foundation, its duties have been suspended. The Northeast Asian History Foundation concentrates only on Dokdo and the marking of the East Sea. An official from the foundation told the Kyunghyang that it was comprehensively working on righting mistaken history, but that there was no need to respond to anti-Korean sites at the government level, and that doing so would be ineffective at any rate.
The sites listed in the article are:
- linkflash.hp.infoseek.co.jp (Japan) for distorting Korean history and excessively highlighting anti-Japanese sentiment in Korea
- takeshima-wo-mamorukai.com (Japan) for making claims on Dokdo
- worldwidebabes.com (USA! USA!) for sexually degrading Korean women
- dogaid.freeservers.com (Australia) for distorting Korea’s culture of dogmeat consumption
- aachener-glassfront.de (Germany) for conducting an online campaign to boycott Korean goods
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Is this the sort of thing the government (of any country) really should concern itself with? Nevermind how the SK government would work to combat the ‘flood of anti-Korean websites’ for a moment — is this really the sort of thing government resources should be spent on? Combatting websites that make revisionist claims on history, contain porn with (arguably) Korean women, saying bad things about eating dogs, or calling for a boycott?
And even if the answer to all of the above would be ‘yes’, it still remains to be asked exactly what could be done? After all, unless any of the above websites violate the law in some way, the likely response to requests to shut down or change their tune is going to be a hearty ‘bugger off’. Unless the government is willing to stoop to co-opt the tactics of the cadre of VANKers, (DNS attacks, spam campaigns, cyberterrorism, etc…) they’re going to be extremely unlikely to get this sort of site closed down for any period of time.
Heck, the Internet is full of raving loons — launching campaigns to combat the nuttiness is more likely to give publicity to the sites in question, while steeling the resolve of the lunatic fringe.
imho, if the government was to do something, it would sprout even more anti-korean sites and feed the anit-korean sentiments. best action for the korean government is to use the old cliche of “those sites don’t even warrant a comment.” and hopefully, the netizens will also ignore those sites because their actions with the world cup and the olympics (shutting down the respective websites) among others are part of the problem that feeds into the growing anti-korean sentiment around the world. just my opinion.
it appears to me as if in the “general” korean mindset, any critic of Korea is necessarily 1. wrong & unfounded, 2. sign of being anti-korean (an expression of hate).
nothing new here I believe, but well… I’m getting tired of this bullshit. I’ve been nice with everybody in this country during all my time here, avoiding any subject that would lead to “bad karma” in a conversation, but sometimes really, enough is enough… maybe I’ve been here too long, but I feel more and more like being provocative (which would mean stupid of course) and call koreans up on some issues that I would have avoided before, not to convince them, but just to have them accept the fact that some people might disagree & hold a different opinion than them, and ask them to respect me nonetheless…
why do I get the feeling that my quest is doomed ?!
probably have been here too long… or simply pissed off right now, but I will get back on the horse, of course !
It would be gratifying if there was a Korean appetite for introspection of the “Why do they hate us?” type so popular in Berkeley and the pages of the New York Times these days. Instead, Koreans seem better at “circling the wagons” than either the hated neo-conservative movement or the Buffalo Bills.
What on Earth would motivate Chinese to write something glossing over the conduct of the Japanese in Nanjing and sticking it on the Koreans? It’s baffling. And yet there it is — oughtn’t people try to figure out why? In this country’s case, it ain’t “They hate freedom.”
No mention of the hate-sites based in Korea?
Anti-Korean sites? Surely not!
The Goat, don’t you know that those site are factual? Americans and Japanese are truely hateful creatures. They raped my horse and killed my sister. You can easily spot one because they wear gloves to hide their claws. They also have long hair to hide their horns, although it’s always possible to file them down.
Foreign porn sites objectify Korean women? What about Korean porn sites and the ‘19 years and over’ Korean sports newspaper sites? Don’t hear many people complain about those.
I’m against censorship, but if it is the Korean government’s prerogative, shouldn’t it concentrate on sites that fall within the limits of its authority? I suspect the story has more to do with increasing sentiments of nationalism than anything else. Is VANK’s budget up for reevaluation any time soon?
PS. I wonder what the Korean government make of Korean-American porn stars?
Meh, that was not supposed to be posted. I did not have enough time to finish what I wanted to write…
Korean based, American based, Canadian based, random country based, etc etc…I don’t think one would have to search very hard to find a site or sites that hate or promote hate against whatever country or group of people you can possibly imagine. Korea is hardly the lone “victim” here.
Internet regulation is a pretty tough topic and increased blocking may not be the way to go for one of the “most wired” countries.
And wow. I checked out some of those flash videos and they are quite nasty.
Yeah, I hear a whole bunch of Korean hate organizations such as the UN call for using the sea’s real name. Shocking that this kind of anti-Korean sentiment goes unchecked.
‘koreans should be introspective about this…’
no, they shouldn’t. who cares? btw, lawyer, do you think we americans should be intropsective on why so many hate the us?
‘30k chinese…’
don’t know what the chinamen website says but you can get a good look at chinese logic by reading the koguryo section at wikipedia. here’s some examples:
‘koguryo is written in chinese.’
‘koguryo was in present day china.’
‘koguryo is chinese just as american indians are american.
‘mongols are chinese, manchus are chinese, koreans are chinese.’
glad to see your people are so well versed in the art of logic, jing.
‘i used to get drunk more at home but there are more easy whores here in east asia so i have sex more.’ expat on this board whose ‘name’ i can’t remember. i think it was iceberg though.
I think the right spin on Anti-Korean sentiment is understanding that Korea has become an important power in the world. It’s no longer a third world country that no one cares about.
I seriously doubt anyone care enough to create anti-’fill in the blank’ Latin American site unless it has to do with Illegal immigration issue, or any site that’s remotely related to what’s happening in Africa unless it has to do with ethnic violence and poverty.
The very fact that people are wasting their energy with all these hate sites proves that they have arrived as a Country. In some odd way, they should think of it as a compliment rather than a
negative, if that makes any sense.
Fact of the matter is, there are probably more Anti-American sites and negative attitudes towards Americans more than anyone else.
An irony that should not be lost on Koreans.
i was just wondering, how many sites are there in china and japan that focus on korean entertainment and such?
pawikirogi’s appearance is several hours later than I would have expected, but true to form nonetheless.
Whether I think Americans are needlessly introspective, overly introspective, or just introspective enough about “Why They Hate Us” or not is irrelevant. The fact is, Americans are undoubtedly introspective on this question. It’s a constant theme in our media and you can do a whole major in it at most American universities. It’s called “Peace Studies”.
But I do think you could do with a little self-assessment about your nasty belligerence here at the Marmot’s Hole, pawikirogi. You’re not exactly well-respected for your thoughts and arguments. Perhaps at the Fighting 44s that sort of thing has an appreciative audience, but here you rank even below the Crazy Cat. I know it’s fun to mindlessly hurl invective behind a pseudonym, but don’t you ever get tired of your invented Internet persona? Don’t you have anything to say?
Pawi,
Nah, it wasn’t me. Your sense of recollection is apparently as skewed as your sense of reason. Thank you for bestowing upon me the honor of becoming one of your new targets of hate, however.
‘becoming one of your new targets.’ iceberg
the above post is the first time i have ever mentioned you. can you say the same? it’s seems i’ve become one of YOUR targets, iceberg. are you an idiot?
‘nah, it wasn’t me.’
it was you who wrote that.
Yeah, you have become one of my targets, because you make it so easy. And, yes, it WAS me who wrote, “Nah. It wasn’t me”. As for the other nonsense, believe you want…as you always do.
believe “what” you want…
Origami,
So according to you, only certain kinds of hate signal the “arrival”. Gotcha.
I’m sure comrade Ban will do his best to deal with that issue.
No, Korea is now a rich, industrialized country that no one cares about. (And it’s worth noting that Roh Moo-Hyun’s policies risk making South Korea an international pariah, a state without any friends.) Is that an improvement? And Korea is a society which aggressively goes out of its way to attack and impugn those few people who do have a sincere interest, if their opinions don’t fit the prescribed allowable thought.
It’s especially amusing that we pesky foreigners are forbidden to state the truth, lest we be attacked as hate-mongers. They eat dogs in Korea — hate speech or statement of fact? Ask Jay Leno. Still calling East Sea the “Sea of Japan”? You anti-Korean bastard! Dare to question the reasoning behind our spurious claim on Dokdo? Too bad, your contract is not being renewed, Mr. Professor.
According to the nationalists (masters of projection, they), there are, apparently, two kinds of people in the world: Those who have no opinion about Korea, and those who have a negative opinion about Korea (and in this latter category we have to include all us “anti-Korean” foreigners who live here and dare to criticize). Where are the foreigners — other than a few cynical foreign lawyers (at big firms), Chamber of Commerce grandees, and financial-industry professionals — who stroke and sing the praises of Korea? Where are the happy industrial trainees, back home saying what a great time they had in Korea? Where are the tourists lyrically praising Korean hospitality and the good manners of the people? What is the overall impression English teachers take away from here?
When I travel it’s either “Wow! Korea! How’s life over there in Southeast Asia?” (gee, I don’t know) or “I’ve [choose one: lived in / done business with / taught English in / had my technology stolen by] Korea. And you’ve been there 15 years? How do you stand those fucking people?” That latter response is pretty consistent, too. Now, I happen to like it here and think that Korea is a pretty decent place to live, overall — but of course I’m from Missouri and don’t know what decent place means. My experiences have been decidedly mixed but generally good. Correct me if I’m wrong, though, but China and Japan (except among Korean people) don’t elicit the same emotions. Does Malaysia have the same kind of fan club that Korea has? And if not, why not? Are we sure it’s all jealousy?
Brendon> China does elicit the same emotions.
Keep in mind though, that China doesn’t have freedom of speech or freedom of information. The government officially does sponsor certain riots, and guns down those who disagree. In Korea people have access to all the information they could ever want (remember how Korea is the most wired nation when you apply a set of restrictions?), yet some choose to avoid it. Unfortunately, those who choose to avoid it are the loudest people in Korea, which is why there are so many anti-Korean sites. If the silent majority would just stop being silent and retake control of their country from the bafoons in control, a majority of these sites would either go away, or have to fabricate information.
But really, if the South Korean government thinks it should have the right to sensor people of other nations, there is a much bigger issue at hand. Perhaps it’s that type of thinking that gives South Korea the bad image; I know it contributes to America’s.
“No, Korea is now a rich, industrialized country that no one cares about. (And it’s worth noting that Roh Moo-Hyun’s policies risk making South Korea an international pariah, a state without any friends.) Is that an improvement? And Korea is a society which aggressively goes out of its way to attack and impugn those few people who do have a sincere interest, if their opinions don’t fit the prescribed allowable thought.”
Yes, but petty bickering of the kind found in the article will have little affect on SK’s international relations (public displays of anti-Americanism, on the other hand…). For one, the South Korean media often flies so low below the radar that such nonsense hardly gets noticed by the international media. Besides, most foreign governments are probably all too familiar with the Roh government’s tactics. My guess is that they would recognize such stories has being manufactured for domestic consumption only and shrug them of as being all too typical of the Roh government. Since the Roh government knows it can count on eliciting the wanted reaction without incurring any ill affect from foreign countries, it will continue releasing such xenophobic drivel for as long as there are Korean journalists willing to print whatever falls on their desk.
One more year…
Brendon wrote:
I suspect the Koreans present a highly likely opportunity for armed conflict with China, regardless of who claims what and what trade occurs now. South Korea is now arming itself with cruise missiles that can carry atomic warheads and will have the range to reach anywhere in China. North Korea is a potential problem as well since, if they do unite with the south, that makes for one neighboring country with legitimate claims on land that China now claims is theirs (it was not before the Japanese illegally gave it to China by treaty [~1903]). It could very well mean that the Chinese are allowing this so that the general populace of China would have less sympathy and be influenced less by the Koreans and their cool-looking wave which may give average Chinese ideas about “individualism” and “freedom” — very troublesome words in China. This would account for the odd rumblings in Chinese media about the “strange” habits of Koreans as well. The Chinese, of course, started their blatant attempt at revising Korean history just so as to solidify their weak claims upon parts of Manchuria (Gando), which was ceded to them by a probably illegal treaty with occupying Japan and because of the high ethnic Korean population there.
In short, the Chinese Communist leadership is trying to do several things at one time about the influence of Korea in China and the territorial claims that Korea has on parts of Manchuria and the potential development of their strongest enemy that is close to China.
As we all know, the guilty thief never sleeps too soundly.
Why do they hate us.
Actually..
Who cares about the exploitation of South East Asian workers.
Who cares about IP theft.
Who cares about the rudeness.
Who cares about the racism.
Who cares about the yadda yadda yadda
All these things happen everywhere to a degree. The issue is this.
Firstly Koreans deny these things exist and secondly they hold themselves out to be innocent victims and saints.
It’s bad enough when a self proclaimed pedaphile sexualy molests a child (it’s a paedophile, we expect that behaviour) , BUT it’s worse when someone who proclaims their piety does it.
Muhammed Ali could say he was the greatest and get away with it, why HE WAS!!, when a bunch of arrogant twits do the same they are just setting themselves up for ridicule, and contempt.
Every time I hear a Korean say that Koreans are KIND to foreigners I have this incredible urge to smack the dude silly.
People hate Wankers and Hypocrites. PERIOD!
That is not an anti Korean site. That is just a pornographic site. They describe other countries in similar ways. Here are Australians -
The best way to cut down on ‘anti Korean’ sites is to stop providing them with juicy material. The government can start by educating its people not to say “Korea number one!” and “Korean people is a superior race” to foreigners.
I can barely look a this blog anymore….how can you continue to have an interest in this nonsense? It’s the same thing over and over, aren’t you sick of it?
If you had 2 million bucks would you stay here? Do you really care about all this?
I’m sorry.
Nope.
Yep.
Not so funny when it’s turned the other way, is it Korea?
If there is US$2 million on offer to leave Korea, I accept. It would, of course, be sad — but I’d use the money to find a new adventure. Maybe South Africa.
if i had two mil i’d stay right here and treat marmot, carr, blueballs and a few others from the hole to a night of debauchery-korean style.
oops, does that make me anti-korean?
I think Pawi’s offensiveness is a little greater than Brendon’s, but acceptable. Afterall, this is standard in Occidentalism, nominated for the Best Blog in East Asia !
“no, they shouldn’t. who cares? btw, lawyer, do you think we americans should be intropsective on why so many hate the us? ”
Maybe if the pawster could start using capital letters, like my 12 year old Korean-born daughter, we wouldn’t think he is just a “korean” man, I mean moron.
Pawster, no matter what passport you may carry, the last thing you are is an American. The best you may be is an “American of convenience.” People don’ t like you because you are a typical KOREAN man.
Thanks for being here, without you, we may forget why we are here as you and your kind are a constant reminer of why blogs on Korea exist. The penchant of the Ko gov to lie, cheat, cast dispersions, and fabricate evidence while allowing gangs of salivating “civic groups” to roam the streets, and now, university president’s offices searching for those who dispespect Koreans by telling the truth. This is all, of course, encouraged and endorsed by the Korean media, graduates of the Kim Il Sung Univerversity of Journalism,and completely digested and believed by the lemming-like Korean public who never fail to demonstrate how easily they can be manipulated in the name of korean honor. (At this printing, the source of rampant korean pride is the biggest mystery)
This blog doesn’t exist to propogate lies about Korea, it exists to protect and inform foreign residents living in Korea, and other interested people, from lies and “distortions “from Koreans.
Once again, pawster, thanks for being here. You give us reason.
$2mil? Retire to Thailand and play golf & sail. Visit Nepal every September just after the monsoonal clouds have cleared.
I’ve been here for 15 of the past 18 years, and many Koreans still haven’t learned that a lot that they say and do tends to repel many non-Koreans–instead they persist with it, somehow believing that repeating it ad nauseum will better things on their behalf. Ironically, for a people who are obsessed with foreigners (turn on most any show any and it’s waegook this and waegook that), and who have a compelling need to “impress” the foreigner, they consistently wrong foot themselves because they don’t bother to listen. Rather than try to impress me, it’d be better for a Korean to go against his instinct, get off the script, and not try to indoctinate me. A bit a genuine civility goes a long way.
Or maybe I’m wrong, and the Koreans are just pratts.
They should send the Flesh eaters after them
http://yeolchae.wordpress.com/.....-in-busan/
ah, lawyer, there’s a difference between me and you; my nastiness is contrived, yours is for real.
‘i think pawi’s offensiveness is a little greater than brenden’s.’
i offend on purpose since i’m just throwing the nastiness right back at the expat. but what about your nastiness, lawyer? did you think that i’m the only one who can see it?
‘i used to get drunk more back home, but east asia has more easy whores so i have sex more.’ iceberg (thanks for admitting it iceberg)
‘if i were on the internet, i woldn’t care what people know about me.’ iceberg
really, is your name iceberg? what’s your real name? where do you live? what’s your e amil address? what’s your job? i’m sure you won’t mind sharing such information, mr, uh, ‘iceberg’.
“I’ve been here for 15 of the past 18 years”
“the Koreans are just pratts”
You must be a very slow learner to take 15 years to figure that out.
That, or wildly optimistic.
What in tarnation is a “yobo”?
Pffft, anti-Korean websites are just a drop in the bucket compared to anti-US or anti-Chinese websites. You aren’t in the “we hate you” big leagues until you’ve fought at least a couple of wars/screwed some people over since WW2.
Korea can establish a new branch of government, “the ministry of internet defense”. Those who are fluent in foreign languages (English, Chinese, Japanese, etc) will be hired by this agency and will spend 24/7 posting on these websites messages promoting Korea and enhancing its image.
It may already exist.
As always, Baduk is spot on. Beware the subliminal popups.
And a wonderful job they are doing
Pawi’s Chinese Logic:
‘koguryo is written in chinese.’
‘koguryo was in present day china.’
‘koguryo is chinese just as american indians are american.
‘mongols are chinese, manchus are chinese, koreans are chinese.’
I’m sorry, was that supposed to be sarcasm?? You could replace Chinese Logic with any other than Korean and it would still fit and sound logical…jokes on you there dude. Continue like that and you’ll never have a serious claim to Koguryo, Dokdo, or even North Korea. Once the North Korean people find out what shit you and you’re government have enabled KJI to do they won’t let you claim them. Nice move Francis.
I know Chinese government hire propagandists to counter anti-Chinese forums and websites. It wouldn’t surprise me if other Countries does this sort of thing.
The author in the story seems to negate lot of the English based website. Maybe he’s afraid of offending US? But, As the big leagues go, It’s the English based websites like this one that has to be taken seriously.
Much of the foreign language based websites simply aren’t worthy of disdain. They’re not even in the AAA minor league category.
* As always, Brendon can be forgiven simply because he happens to be a lawyer, a critical mistake in his career.
pawikirogi wrote:
ah, lawyer, there’s a difference between me and you; my nastiness is contrived, yours is for real.
‘i think pawi’s offensiveness is a little greater than brenden’s.’
i offend on purpose since i’m just throwing the nastiness right back at the expat. but what about your nastiness, lawyer? did you think that i’m the only one who can see it?
‘i used to get drunk more back home, but east asia has more easy whores so i have sex more.’ iceberg (thanks for admitting it iceberg)
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It’s amazing how Pawi saves all these quotes.
What’s amazing is how Pawi spews so much shit. He’s like a walking/talking dysfunctional sphincter.
Pawi, those voices in your head…stop listening to them.
This is pure projection. In a society where you don’t question your hierarchical superiors, where you believe JFK was shot by the CIA after watching an Oliver Stone movie, where anything in print has gotta be true, of course you think it’s important what two-bit websites say about your country, since you think their readers have no ability to form their own opinions. That and the old inferiority complex thing.
The fact that this is getting Korean media attention (the Korea Times fell on that grenade today) says a lot more about Koreans than it does about the rest of the world.
@Jing:
“Yobo” is the Korean equivalent of “爱人.” a term of endearment between middle-aged married couples.
Some of the negativity Korea brings on itself when it inflates its influence unduly, like crowning Dr. Hwang the “Pride of Asia” and claiming all of Asia is in the throes of the “Korean Wave” (while ignoring any reciprocal exchange of cultural products).
If sites in the West are ignorant about Korea than it’s probably just as well, since people in the U.S. wouldn’t know what to make of all the anti-American spew here.
koreans need to know that their hate education is doing nothing and just stops or slows down the development of their country. they should brainwash their students that the garbage goes in the garbage can. if children can learn to hate, then they should be brainwashed to stop littering.
korea is a very dirty country. if you go there, you can see it. people of all ages litter and they do not care. koreans also have bad manners too. they always cut in line. koreans got to know how to repair their damaged reputation. nobody knows about korea.
Another message to koreans,
for traffic signals, there are meanings for each color.
red light means STOP
green light means GO
also, the garbage goes in the garbage can. if koreans care about so much about their looks and undergo plastic surgery, then they should be brainwashed to care about how dirty their country is. there is trash all over the place.
I think we’re missing the important thing here:
Worldwide Babes sucks.
but koreans need to know what a garbage can is. they need to know how bad they look not just in Asia, but worldwide. koreans, clean up your country.
thank you for buying Japanese products. you make my country rich. koreans, clean up your country. stop littering.
I think we get the point, treesjess.
my 20 wons:
i think koreans do deserve the criticisms that they get. what michael wrote in no. 50 basically sums it up best. but at the same time, and i’ve said this before, korea is a society that’s still relatively young looking for its identity. combined with its history, i can to a certain degree understand some of the behavior, although i disagree. and i get frustrated with koreans as much as the next guy. but again, (modern) korea is young and is just going through the growing pains. i’m not condoning the sometimes koreans’ childish behavior in the international realm, but every other cultures have gone through some ugliness. i’m not saying, because “they” did it korea is excused. what i’m saying is, every culture and country has gone through some ugly experience, and korea is going though hers. usa was not exactly the beacon of hope with civil rights in the 60s. meaning, let korea go through these pains, and some day, hopefully, it will mature itself into joining the rest of the global society. so, let’s not compare korea to japan or usa, who are much more developed and “mature” as a country. and while in korea, why not make the experience as positive as possible. i sometimes don’t understand, other than GI’s, why SOME waygook people complain about korea when they don’t even try to learn the language. i said some, not all. i saw a waygook person enter a restaurant, spoke no korean, but the korean workers went out of there way to make him comfortable. then i overheard the guy talking about how he’s been here three years and has not even learned the language. korea is not japan. not america. but if you compare it to those countries, and expect koreans to act like that, yes, i suppose koreans are pratts. btw, just cuz i didn’t use capital letters doesn’t mean i’m pawi.
koreans, did you know that your country is dirty? put the garbage in the garbage can.
foreigners, english teachers, or anybody, please educate the koreans to stop littering. it just shows that korea is a developing country and still outdated.
also, teach the koreans what each color means in a traffic signal. also, tell the koreans the pali pali way is wrong. that is why everything breaks in korea.
seoulmilk you’re right, and not because you agree with me
Koreans weren’t even allowed to travel that much during the dictatorships and didn’t have enough money to travel anyway, and the media here is mostly Uri Nara 24/7 without much interest in other countries (although that’s changed a lot recently). So Korea is still getting its act together in some ways.
just reading my post again, by no means do i mean, let korea slide. to some degree, i agree with treesjess, that foreigners should do all they could, whether by example or talking with koreans, about what they can do to make korea better. i just don’t think it does any good complaining about things on a blog and not doing anything while enjoying the benefits a waygook saram gets living in korea.
yes, exchanging information is important. even if it is from criticism. people learn that it is not right and can learn from it and improve. Actually, Samsung, LG, SKC, Hyundai, Kia, Lotte, etc. have excellent products. but society in korea is still outdated and dirty. koreans need to get much exposure. export korean traditional culture, not stupid singers like bi, or whaetever. if people do not know nothing about korea, how can they know about bi.
first, koreans need to know what a garbage can is, wait in line, stop littering, obey traffic signals, that is all. It is not hard. koreans put the garbage in the garbage can. stop being brainwashed to hate, it is making korea a bad image and just stops investments to korea and korea do not develop.
traditonal culture can make money.. not just consumer products. if korean food is popular like chinese food, then food companies make money and help economy. not just cars and electronics..
but korea needs to be clean first. dirty country just means developing or 3rd world country.
koreans, export traditional culture, exchange program with Europe, and put garbage in garbage can. STOP littering. government should make law like Singapore does. fine people who litter.
please write to korean newspapers too about good information how to make korea better. many koreans read english newspaper to study English, so you can write opinions and advice in newspapers, not complain.
Write to KOREA HERALD, KOREA TIMES. Many koreans read these papers when they study English. koreans need to stop littering. koreans need to market their traditonal culture like food and hanbok, or something.
If Koreans want to rid their nation of ridicule on or off the net, they need to start at home base. It’s nearly 2007, and it’s about time the children of this country are educated about racism rather than learning hate propaganda.
This post reminded me of a public art display a couple of years ago that was from what I read, government sponsored and also publicly displayed at a subway station in Seoul. The “art display” disgusted me and I can’t believe something like this could be allowed to be displayed in public.What it was, was a bunch of elementary school kids drawings of anti-Japanese propaganda. If anyone hasn’t had a look at it you can do so here:
http://aog.2y.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1550
If Koreans are worried how they are viewed by other countries, then they should stop putting the bait out for public display.
New York City is clean? Is New York City a 3rd world country?
How about Berkeley, California? Los Angeles, California? Chicago, Illinois?
What about America in general?
Go to a party. Check out the trash can.
Go to the bathroom. At a University library. My goodness. There’s always a fucko who doesn’t flush or makes some kind of halloween decoration with toilet paper. And leaves it everywhere.
I thought the guys had it bad. But if you talk to the lady’s room janitor, the janitor will tell you that the girls leave blood spots all over.
I don’t think an American can claim any sort of superiority about being clean. Someone from Japan or Singapore could.
“i used to get drunk more at home but there are more easy whores here in east asia so i have sex more.’ expat on this board whose ‘name’ i can’t remember. i think it was iceberg though.” - pawi the parrot (squawk!!!)
“nah, it wasn’t me.” - Iceberg (pawi’s perceived nemesis of the day)
“it was you who wrote that.” - pawi (aka Henery Hawk)
Hey Pawi, I’ve got a gift for you. Check out this link (scroll to the second comment).
Hmm. Did you see my name attached to that quote? No, neither did I. If you can manage to apologize and admit that you were either ignorantly mistaken (less likely) or maliciously lying (more likely), I’ll find it in my heart to forgive you…and give you a hug. I’m not holding my breath though.
Mr. Carr you are victim once again for being right! You point out the most important precept of our adopted countrymen, envy. The Koreans want freedom at the cost of their neighbors. Ask any Korean for one wish and they will ask you to “kill my neighbors pig”.
2 million dollars? I will leave.
treesjess!
I almost brainwashed by your repeating comments…..that I almost forgot how dirty was in Shibuya, Ikebukuro, Yoyogikohen, Akihabara, Kamakura, even in Hakone, my favorite spot though. Thanks for helping me to bring up good memories of JAPan.
you’re right, iceberg. i knew you didn’t write the quote, but i couldn’t remember who did. i figured if i said it was you, you’d go and find who the real culprit was, and thus, save me some time.
thanks, boy.
Dude, he just called you “boy.”
dude!!!
“boy”…Mighty strong words coming from a chicken-hawk.
Pawi,
Rather than feed you fish, let me teach you how to catch one yourself. Two words: “Google” and “Search”. Takes all of about two minutes of your precious time. Two minutes is a small price to pay to maintain whatever sliver of credibility you think you might have had.
““boy”…Mighty strong words coming from a chicken-hawk.”
Nah, Pawi is just a troll. I bet RK only tolerates him as a matter of principle. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think he hasn’t been banned yet because RK senses that’s exactly what Pawi wants.
I think another reason… is because…
koreans, please know what a garbage can is.
koreans, please know that at a traffic light, red means stop and green means go.
koreans, if you are so proud of the korea, they why do koreans immigrate?
koreans, please clean up your country, it is very dirty. haeundae beach is very dirty.
In Seoul (Myeongdong, Jongno, Hyehwa, Yongsan, Shinchon, Hongdae), it is very dirty. Gwangju and Mokpo are very dirty too. Incheon City is very dirty as well. koreans put the garbage in the garbage can.
Sony, Nintendo, Olympus, Nikon, Yakult, Family Mart, Honda, Yamaha, Casio, Fujifilm, Mitsubishi are ALL Japanese. why do koreans buy Japanese products and love to make Japan rich?
Izayasio,
I agree that treesjess’s comments are getting annoying but if you think Ikebukero or Akihabara are dirty then I guess you’re somewhat right. However if you compare them to Myong-dong, Haeundae beach or Shincheon (i think you were trying to compare these areas with Korea) they are like hospital operating rooms they are so clean (in comparison). Korea is definately a dirty country and extremely ugly in regards to building design and the ridiculous signage. Japan certainly has its dirty areas and a lot of it is total concrete nightmare but its at least a billion times nicer and cleaner than Korea to look at.
Anyway, cleanliness although a huge problem in Korea isn’t the biggest problem. A rubbish government and a string of crap governments before this one are the biggest problem. Terrible leadership for hundreds of years. Korea needs a real ruler, someone with a brain, someone internationally minded and someone who understands the concepts of logic and rational thought. The Korean government is responsible for all the problems in Korea from a pathetic and corrupt police force to terrible education problems and blatant propaganda mongering.
Hey treejees
ウザイ！！しつこすぎる！！
I personally find Seoul a clean haven, compared to some other cities I’ve visited such NYC, Hong Kong, etc. Obviously, Seoul is one level below major Japanese cities or Singapore when it comes to cleanness, but to call Korea a ‘dirty country’ is downright ridiculous.
Anyway, I think the so-called ‘Korean Wave’ will play a huge role in improving Korea’s image. Those who live in Korea might not realize it, but having lived in various Asian cities for past years I can safely say Korean pop culture is the one most revered, loved, envied and popular in Asia. Yes, even more so than Japanese pop culture.
For example, drama ‘Dae Jang Geum’ has done what Korean Tourism Board would never have accomplished - sudden, explosive demans for Korean restaurants. Nowadays thousands of foreigners visit Korea just to see their favorite Korean celebrities, and Korean singers are dominating charts all over Asia.
I’m sure this kind of cultural influence can have far greater impacts on public minds than a bunch of TV ads about how “dynamic” Korea is.
ZZOOzzoo, for better or worse, Seoul is not representative of all Korea.
For better, I’m sure.
Brenden,
I mentioned your comment about S. Africa as an adventure to a lawyer friend of mine who is from there. His friendly legal advice was that anyone who does, learn to shoot straight, real quick.
Well, I’m known as a straight shooter. That’s why pawikirogi has offered me the two mil to leave Korea.
i worked with a guy from South Africa. he told me that people there always call ahead if they are going to be showing up at your front door anytime after the sun has gone down. basically, if you’re not expecting anyone and the door bell rings, you blast through the door with the family shotgun first and ask, “who is it?” second.
he also told us some wild story about a car that shoots flames out the sides to prevent carjackings. we laughed and laughed until a co-worker looked it up on the internet. darn thing really exists.
so, with the two million dollars, i bet you could get a flame-shooting car with a nice set of rims and racing stripes.
and a nice shotgun, too. don’t want to forget the shotgun.
Good Point!!
Hi captbbq,
I lived in Namibia for a year and never had a problem. The last time I was in South Africa I drove a two week solo road trip from Cape Town to Durban and then around Lesotho and back to the Cape. I picked up hitchhikers all along the route and I found that meeting these people was the best part of the trip.
You have to exercise prudent caution in South Africa, but white South Africans tend to overstate the crime problem. In fact, Koreans could take “human being” lessons on how to interact with strangers from South Africans, who (both white and black) are among the most hospitable people I’ve ever encountered (but, unfortunately, not towards each other).
ZZOOzzoo,
I’m not saying Korea is the dirtiest country. There are worse places. But Korea’s level of dirty certianly warrants one to call it a “dirty country”. There are areas of Seoul and other cities in Korea that are indeed not dirty and are actually very clean like Coex and its surrounding areas etc. I think the thing that leads foreigners to get the impression Korea is particularly dirty is because one sees Koreans littering every single day. Spitting, vomiting, pissing, throwing ciggarette butts and throwing their trash on the ground are the kind of things you will see every single day if you live in a big or even smaller city in Korea. I lived in Bucheon for a year and it was particularly bad there, other areas less so. Sure you can see these things in other countries but one would see it and think “what a dirty bastard pissing against that wall in broad daylight in public!” or “look at that little brat throwing his trash on the street right in front of his parents who obviously saw it yet do nothing about it!”. In Korea it’s just normal to see that kind of thing.
You also have to think about public toilets and garbage areas, they are rancid in Korea. I asked my adult students why this is, and they ALL said “Someone else will clean it up, there are people paid to do that.”
Don’t get me wrong, I like Korea, I live in Japan now but I miss Korean prices and food! But there is a problem with the littering, not the worst in the world but pretty bad.
if someone will clean up the mess, then why are there still trash lying all over the place?
koreans, your country is dirty. put the garbage in the garbage can…
UGLY KOREA! DIRTY KOREA! put the garbage in the garbage can.
outdate country. no need to be nationalistic of a dirty country.
Oh boy. I can’t wait for the next treesjess comment. Will treesjess write something about Korea being dirty?
Bye, treesjess.
Anyone else thinks treesjess is pawi trying to see if he would be banned?
treesjess, I think you must have said “koreans, put the garbage in the garbage can” about a million times here and on Occidentalism. We get the idea already.
Treesjess is not Japanese, that is for sure. It is just someone trying to stir up anger between Japanese and Koreans.
We need to remember that while Koreans dislike “foreigners” as an abstract concept they are, on a one-to-one basis, very friendly to us, much nicer to us, in fact, than to fellow Koreans they don’t know. It’s not really their fault that their government and media and teachers’ unions do all they can to whip up xenophobia.
To fight these anti-korean websites you need to justify the hate to the general public who may or may not read and care about these sites.
A few ideas come to mind, like sprouting anti-anti-korean websites that infer why there are anti-korean sentiments in Asia, ie jealous, fear. Fear of a united Korea’s economic power, jealousy and fear over the rest of Asia being marginalized.
For example the Chinese govt is limiting k-drama and instilling anti-korean sentiment(given the fact that they censor like hell), because it is worried about the influence of korean tv shows.