Comments on: N. Korean spy case starting to get real interesting http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/ Korea... in Blog Format Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:58:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: usinkorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54179 usinkorea Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:29:14 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54179 Kalani, Damn good points. virtual wonderer theme, I'm with him on this one. As I was dozing off the other night, I got a real bad feeling about what the next two years are going to bring. Forget 2012. I have a feeling NK is going to make a run toward collapse, and I know Kim Jong Il is the type who would prefer "suicide by cop" - but what kept me up a little longer that night was the idea --- maybe the bulk of North Korea would prefer that kind of death to a collapse of the "motherland" too???!!!???? I didn't think the North was going to collapse during the first famine or since. I do think it is going to collapse now. And I believed those defectors who said the North Korean state could not fathom going down alone. I am not in Korea any more. And I really don't keep in touch with anyone there except my in-laws. But I worry about the types of people I taught there those years and my in-laws and others. I have a very bad feeling about what is going to happen within the next 2 years. Kalani,

Damn good points.

virtual wonderer theme,

I’m with him on this one.

As I was dozing off the other night, I got a real bad feeling about what the next two years are going to bring. Forget 2012.

I have a feeling NK is going to make a run toward collapse, and I know Kim Jong Il is the type who would prefer “suicide by cop” - but what kept me up a little longer that night was the idea — maybe the bulk of North Korea would prefer that kind of death to a collapse of the “motherland” too???!!!????

I didn’t think the North was going to collapse during the first famine or since.

I do think it is going to collapse now.

And I believed those defectors who said the North Korean state could not fathom going down alone.

I am not in Korea any more.

And I really don’t keep in touch with anyone there except my in-laws.

But I worry about the types of people I taught there those years and my in-laws and others.

I have a very bad feeling about what is going to happen within the next 2 years.

]]> By: virtual wonderer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54171 virtual wonderer Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:17:38 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54171 Sanshinseon, hahaha. I finally have gone the way of Baduk. But things really are that bad. All I know is this: 1. 2nd famine approaching in DPRK 2. DPRK impotence towards information control 3. inevitable failure of the 6 party/bilateral talks Final analysis--> war 2+2=4 Sanshinseon, hahaha. I finally have gone the way of Baduk. But things really are that bad. All I know is this:

1. 2nd famine approaching in DPRK
2. DPRK impotence towards information control
3. inevitable failure of the 6 party/bilateral talks

Final analysis–> war
2+2=4

]]> By: kalani http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54169 kalani Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:31:06 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54169 The Korean aspects of this case are interesting -- and highly embarassing to the DLP and Uri party, but no one here seems to be mentioning the AMERICAN side of this "386 spy case." Michael Chang (Chang Min-ho) first visited the North in 1989 when it was still a go-to-jail card for violating the NSL. This showed he was a follower of the juche ideals at the time as a KOREAN student activist. Then he packed up his bags with his trusty green card in hand and went to the US where he enlisted in the US Army. Though not stated, his FOUR years at Yongsan should raise some questions. Here you have an anti-American in disguise wearing US uniform running around the headquarters of the CFC at the same time the North's Kim Il-sung revealed he had a bomb and the world was at the brink of going to war. Then when he gets out of the military, he gets his US citizenship in 1993 and returns to Korea. Then in 1993 he makes another trip to the North...and meets with the DPRK Worker's Party folks for training in China. If one doesn't see the implications, I sure hope the FBI, CID, OSI, CIA and others see the significance. 1. The man is an UNREGISTERED foreign agent -- the same thing that got Robert Kim in a jam as a spy for South Korea. 2. The man was an anti-American BEFORE he joined the military. Don't the applications for entry into the US military state what countries you have visited within the past five years? He visited North Korea the same year he enlisted. Either he lied or the new US Army no longer cares who they enlists. The bottomline is that it appears to be a false enlistment. 3. He became a US citizen based upon his military service which in turn based upon a false enlistment. 4. When he came to the states in 1989, who were his "sponsors"? As a recent college grad, he wouldn't normally been granted a green card on the special quota for Koreans. Some one had to be his sponsor. Remember in the past few years "foreign agents" for the DPRK have been found in LA -- including one double agent who was sleeping with her FBI handler. 5. Supposedly Chang was recruited by another Korean-American. Who is he? Is he still running around in America? There's a whole bunch of other questions I have, but they start questioning whether there is a network setup in Yongsan to recruit these Korean-American GIs. Then we unjustifiably start painting with a brush ALL those Korean-Americans GIs who serve at Yongsan. That would not be right. That's why the FBI-CIA-etc. need to be involved. What's the embassy statement? Thus far Chang has supposedly confessed, but I don't believe they've levied the espionage charges on him as yet. Has the US investigators been allowed by the ROK to interrogate him? Questions...questions...questions... The Korean aspects of this case are interesting — and highly embarassing to the DLP and Uri party, but no one here seems to be mentioning the AMERICAN side of this “386 spy case.”

Michael Chang (Chang Min-ho) first visited the North in 1989 when it was still a go-to-jail card for violating the NSL. This showed he was a follower of the juche ideals at the time as a KOREAN student activist. Then he packed up his bags with his trusty green card in hand and went to the US where he enlisted in the US Army.

Though not stated, his FOUR years at Yongsan should raise some questions. Here you have an anti-American in disguise wearing US uniform running around the headquarters of the CFC at the same time the North’s Kim Il-sung revealed he had a bomb and the world was at the brink of going to war.

Then when he gets out of the military, he gets his US citizenship in 1993 and returns to Korea. Then in 1993 he makes another trip to the North…and meets with the DPRK Worker’s Party folks for training in China.

If one doesn’t see the implications, I sure hope the FBI, CID, OSI, CIA and others see the significance.

1. The man is an UNREGISTERED foreign agent — the same thing that got Robert Kim in a jam as a spy for South Korea.

2. The man was an anti-American BEFORE he joined the military. Don’t the applications for entry into the US military state what countries you have visited within the past five years? He visited North Korea the same year he enlisted. Either he lied or the new US Army no longer cares who they enlists. The bottomline is that it appears to be a false enlistment.

3. He became a US citizen based upon his military service which in turn based upon a false enlistment.

4. When he came to the states in 1989, who were his “sponsors”? As a recent college grad, he wouldn’t normally been granted a green card on the special quota for Koreans. Some one had to be his sponsor. Remember in the past few years “foreign agents” for the DPRK have been found in LA — including one double agent who was sleeping with her FBI handler.

5. Supposedly Chang was recruited by another Korean-American. Who is he? Is he still running around in America?

There’s a whole bunch of other questions I have, but they start questioning whether there is a network setup in Yongsan to recruit these Korean-American GIs. Then we unjustifiably start painting with a brush ALL those Korean-Americans GIs who serve at Yongsan. That would not be right.

That’s why the FBI-CIA-etc. need to be involved. What’s the embassy statement? Thus far Chang has supposedly confessed, but I don’t believe they’ve levied the espionage charges on him as yet. Has the US investigators been allowed by the ROK to interrogate him? Questions…questions…questions…

]]> By: SeoulLife.net » Blog Archive » DLP leaders arrested for spying http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54160 SeoulLife.net » Blog Archive » DLP leaders arrested for spying Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:56:43 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54160 [...] Marmot’s Hole has a roundup from blogs and papers on the latest North Korean spy case. [...] [...] Marmot’s Hole has a roundup from blogs and papers on the latest North Korean spy case. [...]

]]> By: sanshinseon http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54146 sanshinseon Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:21:28 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54146 > It’s time for the expats to pack their stuff and come home. ... Geez-louise, virtual wonderer, chill. Things aren't nearly that bad yet, and still aren't on all likely to become so. They're still isn't a single actor on this scene who wants war or would benefit from it... You're sounding as fever-crazy as Baduk. > It’s time for the expats to pack their stuff and come home. …

Geez-louise, virtual wonderer, chill. Things aren’t nearly that bad yet, and still aren’t on all likely to become so. They’re still isn’t a single actor on this scene who wants war or would benefit from it…
You’re sounding as fever-crazy as Baduk.

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Blog Archive » Korea: North Korea spy case http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54138 Global Voices Online » Blog Archive » Korea: North Korea spy case Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:11:11 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54138 [...] Robert Koehler in Marmot’s Hole blogs about the details of spy case against the general secretary of the Democratic Labor Party (DLP) and a former DLP central committee member. [...] [...] Robert Koehler in Marmot’s Hole blogs about the details of spy case against the general secretary of the Democratic Labor Party (DLP) and a former DLP central committee member. [...]

]]> By: Hugh http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54128 Hugh Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:55:21 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54128 Baduk, Please, lets refrain from calling for the killing of people. This isn't an al-Quada blog where we debate the ways, means and targets of slaughter. That is never acceptable in a democracy, which I know you support, anyways. Baduk,

Please, lets refrain from calling for the killing of people. This isn’t an al-Quada blog where we debate the ways, means and targets of slaughter. That is never acceptable in a democracy, which I know you support, anyways.

]]> By: michael http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54127 michael Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:32:49 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54127 The Chosun said: "Kim would neither confirm nor deny that he was directly or indirectly pressured over the investigation by other former student activists of the so-called 386 generation now in influential positions. "I don't care,” he said. "The investigation of North Korean spies will continue until the truth is found, and everyone [in the NIS] will work hard to do that even if it costs them their job, regardless of my resignation.” He said “everyone” in the agency was conducting the probe with “a strong sense of patriotism and is working to improve our nation's security by arresting North Korean spies.” The remarks hint at discord either between the NIS and some politicians or within the NIS over the investigation." http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200610/200610300005.html The Chosun said: “Kim would neither confirm nor deny that he was directly or indirectly pressured over the investigation by other former student activists of the so-called 386 generation now in influential positions. “I don’t care,” he said. “The investigation of North Korean spies will continue until the truth is found, and everyone [in the NIS] will work hard to do that even if it costs them their job, regardless of my resignation.” He said “everyone” in the agency was conducting the probe with “a strong sense of patriotism and is working to improve our nation’s security by arresting North Korean spies.” The remarks hint at discord either between the NIS and some politicians or within the NIS over the investigation.”

http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....00005.html

]]> By: JiMong http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54118 JiMong Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:24:39 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54118 It is also interesting what the DLP delegation would get from a meeting with Kim Youngnam and possibly from KJI on their official visit, Oct. 30th ~ Nov. 4th, to North. May be the new survival tactic, a instruction, or just a medal, just like Jang Min-ho (44, under arrest) had received the National Reunification Award (NRA) from North Korea, from NK. It is also interesting what the DLP delegation would get from a meeting with Kim Youngnam and possibly from KJI on their official visit, Oct. 30th ~ Nov. 4th, to North.
May be the new survival tactic, a instruction, or just a medal, just like Jang Min-ho (44, under arrest) had received the National Reunification Award (NRA) from North Korea, from NK.

]]> By: JiMong http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54113 JiMong Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:11:33 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/10/29/n-korean-spy-case-starting-to-get-real-interesting/#comment-54113 Most of us know that the NIS, aka KCIA, has been the core of change, I mean the elites of NIS know how the political wind will be change in direction and who they going to serve. IMO, this DLP spying case has revealed without pre authorization by the ex-director of NIS, Kim Seung-kyu. This might be a signal of transformation of NIS's color to fit into the Hannara dang. Most of us know that the NIS, aka KCIA, has been the core of change, I mean the elites of NIS know how the political wind will be change in direction and who they going to serve. IMO, this DLP spying case has revealed without pre authorization by the ex-director of NIS, Kim Seung-kyu. This might be a signal of transformation of NIS’s color to fit into the Hannara dang.

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