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		<title>By: jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://fr.chatelaine.com/sante/psychologie/article.jsp?content=20080826_165537_31252" rel="nofollow"&gt;Interesting article&lt;/a&gt; for people still wanting to follow this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://fr.chatelaine.com/sante/psychologie/article.jsp?content=20080826_165537_31252" rel="nofollow">Interesting article</a> for people still wanting to follow this case.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Les cons ça ose tout, c'est d'ailleurs à ça qu'on les reconnait !"
&lt;em&gt;Idiots will do anything, that's actually the way to recognize them&lt;/em&gt;
Famous quote from an old movie. In Paris, which prolly has the highest percentage of assholes per square inch in France, the locals will do that to each other too – you were not just singled out because you were foreign; you just got in the way. Happened to me too – I just happen to have the language skills to deal with it, or, if you will, most of the people don't have the language skills to deal with anyone but their ilk. But they can sure get annoying without speaking...

As for waiters, brisk attitude is one thing, but Paris waiters *have to* be unpleasant. By law. Or something. Not that the rest of the so-called "service industry" is doing much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Les cons ça ose tout, c&#8217;est d&#8217;ailleurs à ça qu&#8217;on les reconnait !&#8221;<br />
<em>Idiots will do anything, that&#8217;s actually the way to recognize them</em><br />
Famous quote from an old movie. In Paris, which prolly has the highest percentage of assholes per square inch in France, the locals will do that to each other too – you were not just singled out because you were foreign; you just got in the way. Happened to me too – I just happen to have the language skills to deal with it, or, if you will, most of the people don&#8217;t have the language skills to deal with anyone but their ilk. But they can sure get annoying without speaking&#8230;</p>
<p>As for waiters, brisk attitude is one thing, but Paris waiters *have to* be unpleasant. By law. Or something. Not that the rest of the so-called &#8220;service industry&#8221; is doing much better.</p>
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		<title>By: bluejives</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluejives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Also, I’ve heard from many Asians that racism in France is rampant toward Asians in particular. &lt;/i&gt;

Not necessarily. I've heard differently, with some saying that the French deplore Americans, but if you're an Asian-American, they'll just assume you're just an Asian (which usually means a moneyed Japanese tourist in most of Europe) and get cut some slack on the America-bashing. Basically, it's all bullshit.

I'll share an anecdote: I was in the Paris Metro standing in line to buy one of those pre-paid cards to use the subway. I instinctively figured that the French would be more cooperative and helpful if I took the pain to communicate simple matters with them in their own tongue, instead of just speaking English like a stupid, generic American. So at the booth, the lady sees me (obviously a foreigner of some sort) and I tell her in my best, cobweb-dusted, high school French &lt;i&gt;Je voudrais achete un Paris Visite pour trois jour&lt;/i&gt;. Now there was this impatient Frenchman standing near me who wanted to cut ahead of this slow French-speaking Asian foreigner. He tried to do that and the clerk gave him some nasty, rapid-fire tongue-lashing upon which he cowered back to his proper place and then she composed herself and proceeded to give her full attention to me.

I was in Paris only, and to me, Paris seemed like just another New York City, so if anyone was seemed rude, it was because it's a big city, with a big city mentality, and everyone's busy and in a rush.

In the brasseries, the waiters will be extremely curt with you, but that's only because they have to be efficient to run their business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also, I’ve heard from many Asians that racism in France is rampant toward Asians in particular. </i></p>
<p>Not necessarily. I&#8217;ve heard differently, with some saying that the French deplore Americans, but if you&#8217;re an Asian-American, they&#8217;ll just assume you&#8217;re just an Asian (which usually means a moneyed Japanese tourist in most of Europe) and get cut some slack on the America-bashing. Basically, it&#8217;s all bullshit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll share an anecdote: I was in the Paris Metro standing in line to buy one of those pre-paid cards to use the subway. I instinctively figured that the French would be more cooperative and helpful if I took the pain to communicate simple matters with them in their own tongue, instead of just speaking English like a stupid, generic American. So at the booth, the lady sees me (obviously a foreigner of some sort) and I tell her in my best, cobweb-dusted, high school French <i>Je voudrais achete un Paris Visite pour trois jour</i>. Now there was this impatient Frenchman standing near me who wanted to cut ahead of this slow French-speaking Asian foreigner. He tried to do that and the clerk gave him some nasty, rapid-fire tongue-lashing upon which he cowered back to his proper place and then she composed herself and proceeded to give her full attention to me.</p>
<p>I was in Paris only, and to me, Paris seemed like just another New York City, so if anyone was seemed rude, it was because it&#8217;s a big city, with a big city mentality, and everyone&#8217;s busy and in a rush.</p>
<p>In the brasseries, the waiters will be extremely curt with you, but that&#8217;s only because they have to be efficient to run their business.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remort, years before Americans had any idea that muslim terrorists could get it in their heads to bring the war to Western cities, Paris was bombed several times.

As for the rest of your troll, how nice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remort, years before Americans had any idea that muslim terrorists could get it in their heads to bring the war to Western cities, Paris was bombed several times.</p>
<p>As for the rest of your troll, how nice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Remort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I'd describe the French as terrorist-supporters, socialists, arrogant, nasty, racist, and bitchy.

It's quite common knowledge that the French hate Americans, it's easy to understand though that it's simply motivated by jealousy.  Also, I've heard from many Asians that racism in France is rampant toward Asians in particular.  This sort of thinking makes one wonder if saving France from the Nazis was the right thing to do after all.

France may be the only country to have lost more wars than Korea and Italy combined.

--Remort</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;d describe the French as terrorist-supporters, socialists, arrogant, nasty, racist, and bitchy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite common knowledge that the French hate Americans, it&#8217;s easy to understand though that it&#8217;s simply motivated by jealousy.  Also, I&#8217;ve heard from many Asians that racism in France is rampant toward Asians in particular.  This sort of thinking makes one wonder if saving France from the Nazis was the right thing to do after all.</p>
<p>France may be the only country to have lost more wars than Korea and Italy combined.</p>
<p>&#8211;Remort</p>
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		<title>By: Origami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Origami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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CM: Ah, as a corollary, of course, if France has/had a glamour/romantic image in Korea, it is only due to the US influence in Korea: the USA HAS (I don’t like the politically correct “have”, here, you know, I am French:) a glamour image of France

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????

Isn't this glamourous image of France 40 years old?</description>
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CM: Ah, as a corollary, of course, if France has/had a glamour/romantic image in Korea, it is only due to the US influence in Korea: the USA HAS (I don’t like the politically correct “have”, here, you know, I am French:) a glamour image of France</p>
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<p>????</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this glamourous image of France 40 years old?</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, she is alleged to have been responsible for the death of one of her babies before they even left France, so I guess those cheese-eating wine swillers (just kidding, dda) have first dibs on her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, she is alleged to have been responsible for the death of one of her babies before they even left France, so I guess those cheese-eating wine swillers (just kidding, dda) have first dibs on her.</p>
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		<title>By: JiMong</title>
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		<dc:creator>JiMong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No extradition treaty exists between France and South Korea?

Even if France does not have a policy of extraditing its own citizens, I think this Courjault case should be handled by Korean justice system and this "exemplary mother, affectionate, generous, balanced and fulfilled." French woman, as described by her relatives, should be investigated in a FREEZING interrogate room in Seoul.  IF not, at least, I wish, the French justice system reject the Mental disorder card from her side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No extradition treaty exists between France and South Korea?</p>
<p>Even if France does not have a policy of extraditing its own citizens, I think this Courjault case should be handled by Korean justice system and this &#8220;exemplary mother, affectionate, generous, balanced and fulfilled.&#8221; French woman, as described by her relatives, should be investigated in a FREEZING interrogate room in Seoul.  IF not, at least, I wish, the French justice system reject the Mental disorder card from her side.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to answer a question above – there's no extradition treaty between France and Korea – and let's not forget that these treaties usually concern sending back home citizens of the other country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to answer a question above – there&#8217;s no extradition treaty between France and Korea – and let&#8217;s not forget that these treaties usually concern sending back home citizens of the other country.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding French skepticism about the DNA tests and the inquest in general – it was the Courjaults and their lawyer who derided the work of Seoul's finest. And they don't exactly represent "France".

If you've read my translations of many French articles, you are aware that never did the prosecution voice skepticism about the tests. They asked for a copy of the file, saying let's wait and see what's in it, and when they got it, they ran their own tests – on top of jurisdiction issues, let's not forget that Mrs C's DNA samples taken in Korea were tentative at best, since they were taken from objects, not herself. Something that would be akin to hearsay in a testimony... Running second tests from samples taken on the person is indeed a good idea... – and as a result they charged the wife with murder, and the hubby might be charged too. All this within the framework set by the cooperation treaty Korea and France signed in the 90s. So where's the beef?

Although France has been known to extradite its citizen as recently as a few months ago – to Belgium – it is probable that the Courjaults will be handled in Tours, and won't see Korea ever again. Koreans should be happy, as my taxes will foot that particular bill, not theirs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding French skepticism about the DNA tests and the inquest in general – it was the Courjaults and their lawyer who derided the work of Seoul&#8217;s finest. And they don&#8217;t exactly represent &#8220;France&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve read my translations of many French articles, you are aware that never did the prosecution voice skepticism about the tests. They asked for a copy of the file, saying let&#8217;s wait and see what&#8217;s in it, and when they got it, they ran their own tests – on top of jurisdiction issues, let&#8217;s not forget that Mrs C&#8217;s DNA samples taken in Korea were tentative at best, since they were taken from objects, not herself. Something that would be akin to hearsay in a testimony&#8230; Running second tests from samples taken on the person is indeed a good idea&#8230; – and as a result they charged the wife with murder, and the hubby might be charged too. All this within the framework set by the cooperation treaty Korea and France signed in the 90s. So where&#8217;s the beef?</p>
<p>Although France has been known to extradite its citizen as recently as a few months ago – to Belgium – it is probable that the Courjaults will be handled in Tours, and won&#8217;t see Korea ever again. Koreans should be happy, as my taxes will foot that particular bill, not theirs&#8230;</p>
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