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		<title>By: jiwonsi</title>
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		<dc:creator>jiwonsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If most koreans are infant adults, what does that make pawikirogi?</description>
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		<title>By: mins0306</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pawikirogi wrote:

‘the country’s defense is screwed up thanks to civil servants and miltary officers who have no idea what needs to be done.’ expat who thinks he knows it all

there’s a free article from strafor.org called: 

south korea: rethinking it’s miltary future

the koreans know exactly what must be done not only to defend the peninsula but also to project power. 

isn’t it funny? all of you seem to have all the answers but yet, those in power don’t seem to follow your ‘expert advice’. why? perhaps, they can see that most of your expertise is in the subjective realm driven by pure emotion

Let's get a few things straight.  First I'm a Korean not a know all expat.

Second, have you ever had a chance to look at the Korean military from the ground and not from a piece of paper?

I don't doubt the motivation of the military to defend the ROK, but still the defense planners are dragging their feet and not buying the needed equipment(aka Patriot missiles to replace the old Nike Hercules, new attack helicopters to replace the Cobras, etc) or if they are buying it, buying it in a manner that defies logic(aka the Korea Helicopter Project).

On top of that while the militaries of other countries are transforming to meet new threat, the ROK military seems to be stuck in the 1970s and 80s in terms of doctrine, training, etc.
Heck, we don't have the C4I assets to effectively command our forces when we receive wartime command from the US.

Do you know why those in power are not following advice?  They are more interested in their retirement pensions and which contractor will bring the cash filled white envelope than the defense of the ROK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pawikirogi wrote:</p>
<p>‘the country’s defense is screwed up thanks to civil servants and miltary officers who have no idea what needs to be done.’ expat who thinks he knows it all</p>
<p>there’s a free article from strafor.org called: </p>
<p>south korea: rethinking it’s miltary future</p>
<p>the koreans know exactly what must be done not only to defend the peninsula but also to project power. </p>
<p>isn’t it funny? all of you seem to have all the answers but yet, those in power don’t seem to follow your ‘expert advice’. why? perhaps, they can see that most of your expertise is in the subjective realm driven by pure emotion</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get a few things straight.  First I&#8217;m a Korean not a know all expat.</p>
<p>Second, have you ever had a chance to look at the Korean military from the ground and not from a piece of paper?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt the motivation of the military to defend the ROK, but still the defense planners are dragging their feet and not buying the needed equipment(aka Patriot missiles to replace the old Nike Hercules, new attack helicopters to replace the Cobras, etc) or if they are buying it, buying it in a manner that defies logic(aka the Korea Helicopter Project).</p>
<p>On top of that while the militaries of other countries are transforming to meet new threat, the ROK military seems to be stuck in the 1970s and 80s in terms of doctrine, training, etc.<br />
Heck, we don&#8217;t have the C4I assets to effectively command our forces when we receive wartime command from the US.</p>
<p>Do you know why those in power are not following advice?  They are more interested in their retirement pensions and which contractor will bring the cash filled white envelope than the defense of the ROK.</p>
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		<title>By: Left Flank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Flank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bipolarity is out, multipolarity is in. The US and ROK don't need to swear blood oaths, just find common interests (a common interest?). Fixating on a situation where both need to be there emotionally on call is not an alliance, it's a marriage. Besides, leaping the opposite way everytime ROK progressives tack is Pavlovian. ROK public opinion is much more pragmatic, definitely more conservative. Instead of playing with the Blue House, the White House should speak to South Koreans. interests, jobs and schools, directly. God knows, the Uri party doesn't!

Sperwer: why disrupt linkages between MNCs and destroy the great Pacific conveyor belt for a more autarkic system. Because special interests in both countries are too fat and inflexible? No one here is getting paid for lobbying by Big Sugar or the labor unions, so why make their arguments for free? Oh yes, lets' go back to the "golden calf" protectionist era of GOP glory, the age of Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bipolarity is out, multipolarity is in. The US and ROK don&#8217;t need to swear blood oaths, just find common interests (a common interest?). Fixating on a situation where both need to be there emotionally on call is not an alliance, it&#8217;s a marriage. Besides, leaping the opposite way everytime ROK progressives tack is Pavlovian. ROK public opinion is much more pragmatic, definitely more conservative. Instead of playing with the Blue House, the White House should speak to South Koreans. interests, jobs and schools, directly. God knows, the Uri party doesn&#8217;t!</p>
<p>Sperwer: why disrupt linkages between MNCs and destroy the great Pacific conveyor belt for a more autarkic system. Because special interests in both countries are too fat and inflexible? No one here is getting paid for lobbying by Big Sugar or the labor unions, so why make their arguments for free? Oh yes, lets&#8217; go back to the &#8220;golden calf&#8221; protectionist era of GOP glory, the age of Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover!</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;‘koreans are adult infants.’ brenden

the phenomena you describe is starting to happen here. seen more than a few articles talking about the rise of adult children living with their parents due to economic concerns. most experts think the trend will continue to grow. of course, you’d already know that if you lived here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We all know how you like to twist things, pawi -- but let's get it straight. I did not state that Koreans are adult infants. I noted that from a Western perspective, the Korean social structure cultivates an "infantilized adult" whose acceptance of what Americans consider to be the burdens of adulthood is delayed.

I'm perfectly aware that Americans in their 20s are in greater numbers returning home to flop out on Dad's couch. You might not have noticed, but the reason the phenomenon is reported as "news" in the States is that it's &lt;b&gt;weird&lt;/b&gt;. If it wasn't it wouldn't be news. Those kids are &lt;b&gt;bums&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>‘koreans are adult infants.’ brenden</p>
<p>the phenomena you describe is starting to happen here. seen more than a few articles talking about the rise of adult children living with their parents due to economic concerns. most experts think the trend will continue to grow. of course, you’d already know that if you lived here.</p></blockquote>
<p>We all know how you like to twist things, pawi &#8212; but let&#8217;s get it straight. I did not state that Koreans are adult infants. I noted that from a Western perspective, the Korean social structure cultivates an &#8220;infantilized adult&#8221; whose acceptance of what Americans consider to be the burdens of adulthood is delayed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m perfectly aware that Americans in their 20s are in greater numbers returning home to flop out on Dad&#8217;s couch. You might not have noticed, but the reason the phenomenon is reported as &#8220;news&#8221; in the States is that it&#8217;s <b>weird</b>. If it wasn&#8217;t it wouldn&#8217;t be news. Those kids are <b>bums</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Dame"?  Who you callin' a dame? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dame&#8221;?  Who you callin&#8217; a dame? <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Origami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Origami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dame, 'still need that fucking edit function. That ever coming ?

Few spelling errors but you get the jist of what I'm saying. I hope. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dame, &#8217;still need that fucking edit function. That ever coming ?</p>
<p>Few spelling errors but you get the jist of what I&#8217;m saying. I hope. <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C'mon, let us know how you &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; feel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon, let us know how you <i>really</i> feel!</p>
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		<title>By: Origami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Origami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now,

I don't quite understand the mindset of some of you, more sensative, weak- kneed members on this board:

"Oh those 'ungrateful Koreans,' They're so mean to us, let leave them to a madman and see what happens....Nananana, not that funny is it when a madman is holding a happy trigger finger on a nuke? I told you so, I told you so." 

Give me a fucking break there with your five year old fucktard mentality.

How do you expect to maintain an empire with that kind of a five year old temper tentrum mindset? Fact of the matter is, no great empire ever ever gave up their empire willingly until it was taken away from them. Even the Romans did not go away quitely without a fight. 

And to give it to whom or what? To the Chinese? Again, give me a fucking break.

Fact of the matter is, East Asia has become a very vital region for/as an American interest. It is the most important enconomic center outside of United States. Yes, even more important that the declining Western Europe; and, as such,  we cannot afford to screw up there with all these stupid, gay, faggot, willy-nilly mental some of you people are exhibiting at this moment like a first year marine trainee who doesn't even know what the fuck which way is up because you those fucking nukes are coming out of your ying/yang right now. 

Time to sit up straight and pay attention because noone was even remoting thinking about the possiblity of WWIII these very few weeks ago, we're we? Just goes to show just how quickly things can change in that region  when a desperate madman has his finger on the nuclear trigger.

Also, with China as a growing menace we need to stay they there 
whether they like it or not. When push comes to shove, we need to go beyond this touchy-filly PC crap that's destroying our culture even as we speak. We need to tell these people why we need to be there whether they like it or not.  Fact of the matter is, in the end they don't have a choice, we do. Tough love is the only thing these stupid assholes understood anyway. 

They're going to resent us no matter what we do so we might as well do the right thing and stay there. Liberal fucks never understand these kind of crap. Just look at a typical French faggot how they society wound up mattering as much as a useless poodle. This is how they think. So, we need to put aside our little hurt feelings and just do the right thing here. As long as we're still the God Dame Lone Superpower in the World that people say we are and just play that role. Who gives a fuck what anybody thinks anymore. 

Only thing that matters is protecting our interest which is their interest whether they like it or not, and stop with all these false pretense and start talking like a real men here. 

We are men here, are we not?? Hello??

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is:

We need to start fighting fire with fire and become just as billigerent as these Commie assholes. Because, let's face it, when all is said and done the only thing these third world thugs understand is a giant bomb stuck all the way up there ass.

No more Mr. Nice guy.


P.S. 

And Bluejives, how's that Sunshine Policy workin' for you these days. Can't hardly hear you :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t quite understand the mindset of some of you, more sensative, weak- kneed members on this board:</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh those &#8216;ungrateful Koreans,&#8217; They&#8217;re so mean to us, let leave them to a madman and see what happens&#8230;.Nananana, not that funny is it when a madman is holding a happy trigger finger on a nuke? I told you so, I told you so.&#8221; </p>
<p>Give me a fucking break there with your five year old fucktard mentality.</p>
<p>How do you expect to maintain an empire with that kind of a five year old temper tentrum mindset? Fact of the matter is, no great empire ever ever gave up their empire willingly until it was taken away from them. Even the Romans did not go away quitely without a fight. </p>
<p>And to give it to whom or what? To the Chinese? Again, give me a fucking break.</p>
<p>Fact of the matter is, East Asia has become a very vital region for/as an American interest. It is the most important enconomic center outside of United States. Yes, even more important that the declining Western Europe; and, as such,  we cannot afford to screw up there with all these stupid, gay, faggot, willy-nilly mental some of you people are exhibiting at this moment like a first year marine trainee who doesn&#8217;t even know what the fuck which way is up because you those fucking nukes are coming out of your ying/yang right now. </p>
<p>Time to sit up straight and pay attention because noone was even remoting thinking about the possiblity of WWIII these very few weeks ago, we&#8217;re we? Just goes to show just how quickly things can change in that region  when a desperate madman has his finger on the nuclear trigger.</p>
<p>Also, with China as a growing menace we need to stay they there<br />
whether they like it or not. When push comes to shove, we need to go beyond this touchy-filly PC crap that&#8217;s destroying our culture even as we speak. We need to tell these people why we need to be there whether they like it or not.  Fact of the matter is, in the end they don&#8217;t have a choice, we do. Tough love is the only thing these stupid assholes understood anyway. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re going to resent us no matter what we do so we might as well do the right thing and stay there. Liberal fucks never understand these kind of crap. Just look at a typical French faggot how they society wound up mattering as much as a useless poodle. This is how they think. So, we need to put aside our little hurt feelings and just do the right thing here. As long as we&#8217;re still the God Dame Lone Superpower in the World that people say we are and just play that role. Who gives a fuck what anybody thinks anymore. </p>
<p>Only thing that matters is protecting our interest which is their interest whether they like it or not, and stop with all these false pretense and start talking like a real men here. </p>
<p>We are men here, are we not?? Hello??</p>
<p>Anyway, what I&#8217;m trying to say is:</p>
<p>We need to start fighting fire with fire and become just as billigerent as these Commie assholes. Because, let&#8217;s face it, when all is said and done the only thing these third world thugs understand is a giant bomb stuck all the way up there ass.</p>
<p>No more Mr. Nice guy.</p>
<p>P.S. </p>
<p>And Bluejives, how&#8217;s that Sunshine Policy workin&#8217; for you these days. Can&#8217;t hardly hear you <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
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		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'the country's defense is screwed up thanks to civil servants and miltary officers who have no idea what needs to be done.' expat who thinks he knows it all

there's a free article from strafor.org called: 

south korea: rethinking it's miltary future

the koreans know exactly what must be done not only to defend the peninsula but also to project power. 

isn't it funny? all of you seem to have all the answers but yet, those in power don't seem to follow your 'expert advice'. why? perhaps, they can see that most of your expertise is in the subjective realm driven by pure emotion. 

'koreans are adult infants.' brenden

the phenomena you describe is starting to happen here. seen more than a few articles talking about the rise of adult children living with their parents due to economic concerns. most experts think the trend will continue to grow. of course, you'd already know that if you lived here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;the country&#8217;s defense is screwed up thanks to civil servants and miltary officers who have no idea what needs to be done.&#8217; expat who thinks he knows it all</p>
<p>there&#8217;s a free article from strafor.org called: </p>
<p>south korea: rethinking it&#8217;s miltary future</p>
<p>the koreans know exactly what must be done not only to defend the peninsula but also to project power. </p>
<p>isn&#8217;t it funny? all of you seem to have all the answers but yet, those in power don&#8217;t seem to follow your &#8216;expert advice&#8217;. why? perhaps, they can see that most of your expertise is in the subjective realm driven by pure emotion. </p>
<p>&#8216;koreans are adult infants.&#8217; brenden</p>
<p>the phenomena you describe is starting to happen here. seen more than a few articles talking about the rise of adult children living with their parents due to economic concerns. most experts think the trend will continue to grow. of course, you&#8217;d already know that if you lived here.</p>
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		<title>By: The Remedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Remedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;National interests, theirs and ours....&lt;/strong&gt;

If you aren't reading the indispensable Robert Koehler on American-Korean affairs, you should be....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>National interests, theirs and ours&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>If you aren&#8217;t reading the indispensable Robert Koehler on American-Korean affairs, you should be&#8230;.</p>
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